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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's a common point of view among the far right to be completely disinterested in economics, and to view base material concerns as mere trivialities that aren't of interest to the dictator or the party. They think that so long as the social order is rigid and assertive, then the economic base will naturally line up with the best interests of the nation or volk. They're far too wrapped up in romantic notions of will and vigor to be bothered with the immediate material needs of economic planning. Hitler was also a lazy drug addled bum with the attention span of a goldfish; he had not the practicality or mental energy for, as you put it, such "trivialities."
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He talked about Barney Frank's nipples, does that count?
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Al! posted:as someone who less than a year ago was like "we shouldnt be mean to liberals, they're our closest mainstream allies" im kind of amazed at how dumb i was 
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Yudo posted:Hitler was also a lazy drug addled bum with the attention span of a goldfish; he had not the practicality or mental energy for, as you put it, such "trivialities." hey that sounds kinda familiar!
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gradenko_2000 posted:hey that sounds kinda familiar! basically sounds like yours truly or any member of antifa 
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Condiv posted:what? Actually, YOU'RE the centrists. We liberals are the left  https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson/status/897618621329010688 https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson/status/897634656316792833
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Lindsey O. Graham posted:wow dont feel discouraged if your president just radicalized you~ with his own fkn words 
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Scent of Worf posted:Actually, YOU'RE the centrists. We're the left These fuckers will try ANYTHING Vladimir Lenin, noted radical free market capitalist
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Harry, you're a Bernie Bro.
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Scent of Worf posted:Actually, YOU'RE the centrists. We liberals are the left what an idiot Al! posted:as someone who less than a year ago was like "we shouldnt be mean to liberals, they're our closest mainstream allies" im kind of amazed at how dumb i was as someone who less than a year ago was mean to liberals, i look back and i'm kind of amazed that i wasn't meaner
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Taintrunner posted:These fuckers will try ANYTHING before the year is out you're going to hear a lot of arguments about how while marx was correct, he was only a trust fund academic who happened to be right this ONE TIME, and not a political philosopher. they will pretend to not know what the manifesto is
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Look, I know Jesus whipped the merchants at the temple, but he also said render unto Caesar what is Caesars, and he didn't put up a fight when the Roman soldiers tried to arrest him. So really, Jesus was a Centrist, and we should all strive to be more like him.
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still can't figure out why centrists think leftists want to stop fighting racism to start fighting poverty maybe these are folks who can't walk and chew gum at the same time??
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Jazerus posted:still can't figure out why centrists think leftists want to stop fighting racism to start fighting poverty "but will that solve racism?" yes, its a fkn start u prat  get cracking and quit holdin out for the perfect
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Jazerus posted:still can't figure out why centrists think leftists want to stop fighting racism to start fighting poverty the ones who created the narrative never did the ones who parrot it do so cause they are democratic cultists, and repeating and rationalizing democratic talking points is more important than any critical thought to them
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logikv9 posted:jewish... titties? yeah, apparently marcus h johnson thinks they're the greatest Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/evepeyser/status/896050839940235264
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Concerned Citizen posted:obviously criticism of capitalism leading to fascism is false but i hardly think nazi-style "capitalism" really resembled capitalism as we know it, since essentially all private property was, while nominally owned by individuals, in actuality run by the state and fueled by slave labor and goods looted from war conquests - at least, that was the case by the early 1940s. it wasn't just war economy, this was essentially the vision hitler had all along and the war simply justified the seizure of the private economy in service of the state. https://jacobinmag.com/2014/04/capitalism-and-nazism/ 
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Aug 16, 2017 06:22
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lol he actually paid for those genetic tests his DNA is now owned by some shady af company
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there's this dude who fought poverty & racism at the same time, "lyndon baines johnson" pretty obscure figure i know, maybe we will never figure out how he did it 
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Yudo posted:I think keynesianism is the closest comparison but I agree in that Hitler didn't give a poo poo about economics. That he didn't understand that war was about spamming materiel is part of why Germany lost the war. i think you are overstating the power of the president - we are, largely, a nation of laws, even if that such institutions are imperfect and occasionally ignored to catastrophic effect. the president could fire the head of gm only because the company needed the federal government's bailout money. the president can't really breakup companies at will as was demonstrated by microsoft getting their own breakup order overturned by courts. in essence, the important difference between an economic system that is really just "totalitarianism" and capitalism is the power dynamic - in our system, private corporations or individuals have control over things like the means by which we communicate, whether digital (twitter, facebook, this very forum, the pipes our data flows over) or in the real world (coffee shops, homes, etc), or the contracts they fulfill, or the business plans they pursue. private corporations are like fiefdoms with a lot of power of their own destiny, with few exceptions for things like public safety. tomorrow, a company like dyncorp could decide they aren't going to bid on military contracts anymore and there is not much the federal government could do about it. companies refusing to provide drugs for capital punishment has helped send the use of the death penalty to a historic low. the us government has very limited ability to, say, order twitter to censor tweets. in nazi-style totalitarianism, all power is held by the government and the fiefdoms maybe can decide in what way they serve the state, but certainly cannot abstain from doing so. any corporation run by undesirables (either ideological, religious, or ethnic) will have its leadership arrested and its property expropriated - again, a good example of this is junkers, a civil air company lead by a socialist until the nazis purged it. this was not just under speer's war economy, although i think that was essentially the ultimate expression of nazi ideology in an economic sphere - it began essentially in 1934 and accelerated with the nuremberg laws and rearmament. in the us, industrialists have a lot of power to influence or even dictate policy/regulation. corporations have tremendous power to avoid or defeat prosecution. under nazi germany, corporations could exist, yes, but they were entirely subservient to the goals of the state. the nazis had absolutely no problem with purging wealthy capitalists and stealing their poo poo if they felt it was advantageous to do so, or if the person was deemed to be undesirable.
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As godawful as those twitter left-punching centrists are, we gotta remember that they're the extreme minority. It's really fun to poo poo on them and be angry at them, but don't stress yourself with thinking that they matter at all. They'll bend the knee to Bernie 2020 soon enough.
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Jazerus posted:there's this dude who fought poverty & racism at the same time, "lyndon baines johnson" a blood ritual involving the sacrifice of thousands of southeast asian children
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Frijolero posted:As godawful as those twitter left-punching centrists are, we gotta remember that they're the extreme minority.
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Concerned Citizen posted:i think you are overstating the power of the president - we are, largely, a nation of laws, even if that such institutions are imperfect and occasionally ignored to catastrophic effect. the president could fire the head of gm only because the company needed the federal government's bailout money. the president can't really breakup companies at will as was demonstrated by microsoft getting their own breakup order overturned by courts. in essence, the important difference between an economic system that is really just "totalitarianism" and capitalism is the power dynamic - in our system, private corporations or individuals have control over things like the means by which we communicate, whether digital (twitter, facebook, this very forum, the pipes our data flows over) or in the real world (coffee shops, homes, etc), or the contracts they fulfill, or the business plans they pursue. private corporations are like fiefdoms with a lot of power of their own destiny, with few exceptions for things like public safety. tomorrow, a company like dyncorp could decide they aren't going to bid on military contracts anymore and there is not much the federal government could do about it. companies refusing to provide drugs for capital punishment has helped send the use of the death penalty to a historic low. the us government has very limited ability to, say, order twitter to censor tweets. While you have a point in the general "Hitler didn't really care as long as all were subservient to the state's interests," I an unable to see the practiced policies of National Socialism as anything other than a form of "regulated" capitalism, albeit in a way that is alien today--though note that many were been barred from employment or fired in the US due to real or imagined leftist political affiliation. It is a distinction without a difference. Nazi Germany had a schizophrenic though psychopathic mixed (public works, public private partnerships, etc.) economy, buttressed by looting Jewish citizens, that went to war footing in 1942. The Keynesian descriptor is more on the nose in the case of Italian Fascism (Mussolini loved public spending), but I think it is close enough. Edit: particularly when we consider that again, Hitler in practice had no economic platform beyond opportunism. We are putting more thought into it than he ever bothered. Yudo has issued a correction as of 06:52 on Aug 16, 2017 |
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Trump is garbo, but I love that he calls out Washington and Jefferson for being slaveowners lol
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ahahahaha this nyt article is so good
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*a thousand wasps swarm a centrist and are piercing the centrist from the inside out* this sure stings those leftists, when i call them the alt-left 
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hell yes https://twitter.com/abigbagofkeys/status/897695250835275777
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hell yeah im a democrat drat Excited Motherfucker On Closing Redundant dAta cenTers
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*cleats throat* Centrist Democrats are very dumb and very bad. Susan Sarandon did nothing wrong. Hillary Clinton was a bad slave owning candidate. Join the DSA. Bernie Would Have Won.
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Matt Zerella posted:*clears throat*
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Cocksucking Ethnonationalist Nazi Traitors Re In Somuch Trouble
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My Odd Dick Enters Really Awful Trump Economy sorry this is harder than i thought
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Hell yeah I'm down with Bernie Bros Best Ever Reactionary Neoliberal Idpol Essay By peteR daOu
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