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zegermans posted:can u give me back zergling but keep my tags nope
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Squizzle posted:nope Squizzy pls
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to be the incarnate spirit of lf carries w it a burden comrade
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Al! posted:interesting to note that they were saying "you made us do this with your social justice warrioring!!!!!!!!!!!!" more than a hundred years ago yeah reconstruction was not v popular but uh history teachers like to let that one lie i guess
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Squizzle posted:to be the incarnate spirit of lf carries w it a burden comrade that is an insult to lf, and lf was terrible
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mrbradlymrmartin posted:yeah reconstruction was not v popular but uh history teachers like to let that one lie i guess reconstruction has been so poorly taught for so long that most history teachers still don't know very much about it, even setting aside the lost causer history teachers of which there are many (it's a profession that attracts them because then they can "set the record straight" to a bunch of impressionable kids  )
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The bullshit about Washington and Jefferson is (a) Washington freed his slaves, and (b) While Jefferson thought Africans were inferior subhumans, he also was more or less uncomfortable with the concept of slavery and banned their import into Virginia. Compare that to the Confederacy who didn't think the Northern States had the power to free slaves. And double-size my fries.
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mrbradlymrmartin posted:that is an insult to lf, and lf was terrible sometimes i doubt yr commitment to sparkle juche
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call to action posted:those seem like pretty consistent positions to me. punching cops and tearing down statues of andrew jackson. condiv posted the alex jones thing about him believing that the tiki nazis were jews in disguise to compare it to cta's cop provocateur bullshit about the tiki nazis being "trolls" and not real nazis cta immediately jumped onto the opportunity to try to slander condiv as an alex jones spreader and has mentioned it in every post since
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Probably Magic posted:The bullshit about Washington and Jefferson is (a) Washington freed his slaves, and (b) While Jefferson thought Africans were inferior subhumans, he also was more or less uncomfortable with the concept of slavery and banned their import into Virginia. Wikipedia posted:Washington argued privately that his presence in Philadelphia was solely a consequence of the city being the temporary national capital and that he remained a citizen of Virginia and subject to its laws on slavery. Still, he was careful not to spend six continuous months in Pennsylvania, which might be interpreted as establishing legal residency. Litigating the issue might have clarified his legal status and that of other slaveholding federal officials, but it also would have called attention to his slaveholding in the President's House and put him at risk of losing those slaves to manumission.[5] It was thought that he followed Randolph's advice and knowingly and repeatedly violated the state's 1788 Amendment by rotating the enslaved Africans in his presidential household into and out of Pennsylvania.[6] Just saying.
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Washington also hounded oney judge until he died for her crime of not wanting to be a slave
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Probably Magic posted:The bullshit about Washington and Jefferson is (a) Washington freed his slaves, and (b) While Jefferson thought Africans were inferior subhumans, he also was more or less uncomfortable with the concept of slavery and banned their import into Virginia. Jefferson raped his own slaves and ensured any bastards he made would be subjects of bondage, and he passed on those slaves to inheritors to cover the debts of his estate. gently caress him.
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SKULL.GIF posted:condiv posted the alex jones thing about him believing that the tiki nazis were jews in disguise to compare it to cta's cop provocateur bullshit about the tiki nazis being "trolls" and not real nazis lol i didn't even notice he did that what a sad nazi loser
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Squizzle posted:sometimes i doubt yr commitment to sparkle juche lf sucks and got byob killed but byob is jesus and came back from the dead because byob loves you 
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Condiv posted:what a sad nazi loser like, is there any other kind 
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Agnosticnixie posted:Just saying. wow hillary clinton really was the most qualified candidate for president
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Any kind of genuine historical research is going to expose the fact that almost none of the founding fathers are worth venerating, except like Franklin or T. Paine.
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at the very least washington and jefferson did something nominally positive for the country, which, while perhaps doesn't weigh positive on balance can at least be something to celebrate confederates by and large have nothing positive about them
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Any kind of genuine historical research is going to expose the fact that almost none of the founding fathers are worth venerating, except like Franklin or T. Paine. paine was p fukken great and the funniest thing ever was when glenn beck started pushing the founding father who was to the left of the french revolution and its fanboy karl marx
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:at the very least washington and jefferson did something nominally positive for the country, which, while perhaps doesn't weigh positive on balance can at least be something to celebrate They Are Dead 
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like it's clear that when we put up mlk memorials, we're not venerating his adultery now it may very well be the case that washington's slaveholding outweighs anything positive, but at least that's a debatable proposition
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Probably Magic posted:The bullshit about Washington and Jefferson is (a) Washington freed his slaves, and (b) While Jefferson thought Africans were inferior subhumans, he also was more or less uncomfortable with the concept of slavery and banned their import into Virginia. Jefferson suddenly shut up about not liking slavery when he actually did the math and realized he was getting a 4-6% return on his plantation solely by his slaves having families and then auctioning those families to pieces.
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like, raping your slaves constantly was a very profitable venture.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:at the very least washington and jefferson did something nominally positive for the country, which, while perhaps doesn't weigh positive on balance can at least be something to celebrate Self-identified "communist" WhiskeyJuvenile thinks early American heads of state did "something positive" for their Landlord Dictatorship.
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Agnosticnixie posted:Just saying. the founding fathers were largely cowards who thought slavery was bad but were unwilling to even give up their own personal slaves, let alone move in any meaningful way against slavery as a whole ultimately, they were the rich, fighting as much for their own economic interests and political power as for freedom and democracy we commemorate them for the impact they had on history, but "not being as bad as the loving British Empire" is a pretty low bar to clear morality-wise and they barely even managed that
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zegermans posted:Jefferson suddenly shut up about not liking slavery when he actually did the math and realized he was getting a 4-6% return on his plantation solely by his slaves having families and then auctioning those families to pieces. Well yeah, he was ultimately poo poo on it, but still, not as completely for it as the actual CSA was. Meanwhile, Andrew Jackson committed genocide and absolutely should have any memorial to him removed, but Donald wouldn't dare bring him up because he really gets off on identifying with Jackson's spite-fueled presidency. Donald daydreams that Melania was accused of bigamy and dies from the stress so that Trump can have a reason to kill more people, is what I'm saying.
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Other than presumably supporting single-payer/UHC (which a variety of Democrats that most people would agree certainly aren't leftists have also verbally done), what other left-wing things has Tulsi Gabbard advocated for? I feel like some people just see that particular thing and then assume the politician must agree with them on other things.
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Thomas Jefferson, AKA the Lenin of Liberalism
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Trotsky was the better revolutionary.
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I still think Jefferson was autistic, it makes his line about the tree of liberty make a lot more sense.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Any kind of genuine historical research is going to expose the fact that almost none of the founding fathers are worth venerating, except like Franklin or T. Paine. this research will also reveal that the founders shut out genuine populist revolutionaries because the founders were all slaveholding land developers who just wanted to establish a capitalist state with them in charge instead of the foreigners they then used the nation they took control of to muster a genocidal army and conquer west over a hundred+ years lol
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:drag them sarah thx god for sarah jones
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Probably Magic posted:I still think Jefferson was autistic, it makes his line about the tree of liberty make a lot more sense. If that were true, then he would've known that actually trees can't be watered with blood.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Self-identified "communist" WhiskeyJuvenile thinks early American heads of state did "something positive" for their Landlord Dictatorship. self-identified "communist" Karl Marx thinks capitalist production did "something positive" for the union of agriculture and industry
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Probably Magic posted:I still think Jefferson was autistic, it makes his line about the tree of liberty make a lot more sense. Jefferson was all about the glory of revolutionary violence until Haiti demonstrated that black people can do it too then suddenly he changed his mind on the whole subject.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:If that were true, then he would've known that actually trees can't be watered with blood. Softer side of it, then.
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Who could forget General Zardoz
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:drag them sarah centrists are collaborators
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bad dem/left puncher (http://www.thestranger.com/features/2017/08/09/25336895/are-the-socialists-here-to-ruin-everything) dan savage doesn't understand anchorage dsa's tweet vid: http://www.thestranger.com/slog/2017/08/16/25353215/a-message-from-the-dsa https://twitter.com/anchoragedsa/status/897730705286987776
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Centrists brought us: - "alt-left" - fake news - Trump in general But yeah, the famous invoker of "superpredators" sure did warn us about deplorables.
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