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Honestly it's clear the writers stopped giving a poo poo and so have I. This season sucks rear end
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now that i think about it the real reason for the whole lake battle is so that one of the dragons would be killed in the north far enough away from the wall and the eyes of the watch. that way it could be resurrected without any living character knowing so that when it reappears on the battlefield everyone's going to be all zuh? guh? an ice dragon? wuh? and it will be some good emoting fodder for emilia clarke
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Aug 17, 2017 05:46
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Honestly it's clear the writers stopped giving a poo poo and so have I. This season sucks rear end fite me irl Dragons are finally burning people
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Aug 17, 2017 05:56
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If anything, E6 is where the writers finally said "what books?" and that should be *applauded*.
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Aug 17, 2017 06:01
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Honestly it's clear the writers stopped giving a poo poo and so have I. This season sucks rear end Actually it's good you loving whiny nerd.
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Aug 17, 2017 06:15
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wait wait wait Did Jon Snow and his buddies really go north of the wall without any dragonglass weapons?
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Aug 17, 2017 06:22
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:wait wait wait Yep. One Valyrian sword and two swords with fire buffs. That's it.
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Aug 17, 2017 06:24
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Jorah definitely had a dragonglass dagger. I think the Hound also switches to one as well after he sees regular weapons not working.
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Aug 17, 2017 06:29
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:wait wait wait Jon had Valyrian steel, Beric and Thoros had fire weapons, Tormund had a dragonglass axehead, All the rest had normal steel weapons and smaller dragonglass hatchets/shortswords/daggers.
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Aug 17, 2017 06:29
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Weird, I didn't even notice them, but good to know. More importantly: why did the show decide dragonglass works on wights? When Sam tries to kill one in the books with some it shatters like normal glass.
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Aug 17, 2017 06:36
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Yeah otherwise the whole abduct a wight plan to persuade Cersei would have been stupid.
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Aug 17, 2017 06:36
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Gio posted:quick question im sure has been asked an answered a billion times: why the hell did they decide to wrap up the entire series in eleven episodes? D&D were only given cliff notes by GRRM how the story would end and they are pretty terrible at filling in the blanks so it was decided to wrap up the series quickly and tell the world that its because of "production costs"
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Aug 17, 2017 06:47
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This episode was really nostalgic for me. The video was janky and the writing was dumb as poo poo but I was still entertained because dragons. Really reminded me of watching torrented f-grade action/adventure shows when I was a kid.
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Aug 17, 2017 06:51
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Visually the show keeps getting more impressive but I think about how many dialogue scenes from the first few seasons I've rewatched and how I can hardly think of any from the recent seasons where I'd want to do the same
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Aug 17, 2017 06:54
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It reminded me of leaving my computer on all night to torrent one episode of Bleach over dialup. e: ^ same. The show is really delivering on the spectacle lately, and I love it, but I wish it had the good quality talky bits in between. I can rewatch Cersei and Robert chatting for hours. Any of the big battles or dragon scenes, though, maybe a couple times. But probably just the highlights in .gif form or some poo poo. Honestly the one I watch the most is Blackwater. It isn't visually impressive at all(e: compared to the later stuff. The wildfire explosion is still amazing, tho), but all the scenes inside King's Landing are so loving good. Cersei getting drunk and antagonizing Sansa, making her drink wine, and then the scene with Tommen at the end. gently caress. esperterra fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Aug 17, 2017 |
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Aug 17, 2017 06:55
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I found Arya aggresively annoying, mostly because she reminded me of those people that go "Oh and this one time in assassin school we played the faces game with my other assasin friends, you know, while I was studying to become an assassin in the assassin school. Those were the good old days in assassin school. I am an assassin now". NO YOU ARE NOT IDIOT! You skipped most of the classes and bailed before getting the diploma! The only people you managed to fool were the Freys and they have been established in universe as morons. Littlefinger realised you were spying on him. YOU didn't realise LF was spying on YOU. You cannot tell when your sister is telling the truth or lieing. Instead of being stealthy about your assassin skills you go and decide to show off in a fight with Brienne making sure that everyone would be suspicious of you. I really hope that the Faceless Men return to shank her for bringing shame to their club by going around claiming to be one of them.
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Aug 17, 2017 06:59
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Shouldn't the original Castle Black maester have told the dudes in Oldtown about the men that rose from the dead and attack the Lord Commander in like season 1?
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Aug 17, 2017 07:00
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On another note, credit where credit is due. One of the biggest problem of the (stupid and dumb) plan to capture a wight was having 8 guys fight and stall an army of 10 million zombies without getting zerged within 10 seconds. The usual solution for this scenarios is the 300 way, having them fight in a narrow path where no more than 3 or 4 enemies can come at the same time at you. The Lake idea was a creative approach (even though yes, IRL that lake should have been frozen solid after all those years of winter and blablabla) and it was really cool while they mantained that idea of having only 20 or so zombies advancing at a time so as not to cause the ice to break again giving the A Team a realistic chance of stalling them. Ofc it lasts all of a minute before they drop this and they start the zerg rush that the writers were trying to avoid, but it was a nice attempt at something creative.
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Aug 17, 2017 07:07
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If R'hllor led Beric, Thoros and the Hound to that mountain and that lake, does that mean R'hllor wanted the Night King to have a dragon? It seemed like they were the ones deciding where to go, while Jon's merry band just tagged along to grab a wight.
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Aug 17, 2017 07:11
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esperterra posted:If R'hllor led Beric, Thoros and the Hound to that mountain and that lake, does that mean R'hllor wanted the Night King to have a dragon? It seemed like they were the ones deciding where to go, while Jon's merry band just tagged along to grab a wight. Plot twist: R'hllor IS the Night King. He kept bringing Beric back cause he needed him to lead schmuckbait team to the Lake. He brought Jon back cause he needed to get Kelly C horny enough to do something stupid
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Aug 17, 2017 07:13
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It's all coming together ...
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Aug 17, 2017 07:15
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Why did Beric say farewell to Clegane? He gonna stay at the wall now? Everyone else is going to Kings Landing
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Aug 17, 2017 07:17
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Constant posted:I skipped over the winterfell poo poo to get to the good stuff but upon watching it i think Arya is acting like a petulant little twat on purpose. This is a TV show that uses TV show rules now and that's to clever for it. What's going to happen next episode is off screen Bran is going to tell Sansa all about Littlefinger and it's going to be made to look as though Sansa is sentencing Arya to death then all of a sudden the camera will shift to Littlefinger and Sansa will say his name instead of Arya's. The entire point of the tension building between them now is to make the audience think that maybe Sansa really will kill Arya for that one scene.
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Aug 17, 2017 07:18
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On the one hand, LF has been terrible and boring since halfway S4 so I'm glad he is gonna die a really lame wet fart death. On the other hand, if he dies, what the hell do Sansa and Arya have left for them? Where the hell will their plot go? Like they have zero connection, interest, participation, build up or association with the NK plot. Are they like gonna do a Tomboy and Girly Girl duo and lead an army against the Cerseron while everyone else is fighting the NK? I mean they haven't been major characters with a solid arc in a long while, but once LF dies they will definitely fall way back into minor character role. Even Brienne, Tormund, The Hound still have some bit of character arc left to them.
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Aug 17, 2017 07:25
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lezard_valeth posted:On the one hand, LF has been terrible and boring since halfway S4 so I'm glad he is gonna die a really lame wet fart death. Their season 8 plot will be making catty comments about Daenerys and trying to sabotage that relationship 
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lezard_valeth posted:On the one hand, LF has been terrible and boring since halfway S4 so I'm glad he is gonna die a really lame wet fart death. The raid of goodness will congregate in Winterfell, Sansa will start dating Gendry, Arya will have a reunion with Gendry.
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lezard_valeth posted:On another note, credit where credit is due. One of the biggest problem of the (stupid and dumb) plan to capture a wight was having 8 guys fight and stall an army of 10 million zombies without getting zerged within 10 seconds. maybe I'm giving the fat man and showrunners too much credit here but it might have been planned by the NK all along because he is the worlds best warg/greenseer and saw that Dany was coming with her dragons, so he stood there eyeing his clock until the Hound decided to have some fun and went "eh, good of a reason as any, the dragons should arrive in time now to see a fight" why didnt he attack Drogon with all of his enemies on it instead? because hes part of a bigger wheel where he has to invade Westeros to make humanity band together and build a better tomorrow(tm) which can only be realized if Jon and Dany have boatsex
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Aug 17, 2017 09:06
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Viserion was the one flying around blasting everything, can't blame him for taking that one out. Though we did see him walking through the flames without issue, I assume a direct waft of dragon's breath will hurt him in some fashion. Rewatching the lancing, lol at using a reference video of olympic javelin throwing.
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Aug 17, 2017 09:23
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Teron D Amun posted:maybe I'm giving the fat man and showrunners too much credit here but it might have been planned by the NK all along because he is the worlds best warg/greenseer I think GoT and Twin Peaks have a similar thing going on here. There's factions that can see through time, so their schemes and strategies involve timeline fuckery.
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Aug 17, 2017 09:46
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The last three or four eps have been the best in the last few seasons due to the show completely committing to being super dumb schlock. Them rushing to tie off loose ends is what they should've been doing as soon as they were off-book. Guess what? 11 hours is more than enough time to wrap everything up. And they COULD find more time in those hours for talky talky scenes, but they'd most likely be poo poo because the show has dialogue like "remember when you killed my son haha" and "Uncle Benjen!" "There's no time to explain. *dies heroically*" Some of the extremely poor quality writing is still really annoying ("uh oh, how is Jonny Snowz gonna get himself out of this jam?! Oh...he just climbs out of the ice water and is fine.") but it's a lot easier to tolerate now that it feels like the show isn't taking itself ultra seriously and trying to tell a complex political drama while also featuring: The Sand Snakesssssss. The stupid ice zombies and the Lannisters (who have changed their gold in their armour to black to look Even More Villainish) are a much better fit for our heroic bantering RPG party than Mr Torture Porn and the very grim serious Battle of the Bastards that (despite the production quality) was still just a saturday morning cartoon morality play about Unkillable Undefined Heroic Protagonist boringly fighting against the world to defeat The Most Evil Bad Guy Ever. ANYWAY there's a lot of you convinced the Night King intentionally did all that to capture a dragon, because he had chains and the ice spears ready and stood there doing nothing...And I'd be reluctant to ever read into context clues on this show, especially after everyone (convincingly!) read the show's idiotic and inconsistent writing in Braavos last year as a secret plot twist that Arya was pulling some faceless trickery, only to find out: no, it was just legitimately stupid and terrible. The Night King most likely had chains because the writers wanted a shot of them pulling up the dragon. The Night King stood there doing nothing for so long because that's all they can make him do until his final battle. The Night King aimed for the far flying dragon because our heroes were on the other one. (and because whoever visualised the scene didn't think to put the dragon closer) The Night King let Jon live because Jon is The Main Character Hero of this silly little story.
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Aug 17, 2017 09:52
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Arya: "God dammit I left that face back in Bravos!"
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Aug 17, 2017 09:59
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Accretionist posted:I think GoT and Twin Peaks have a similar thing going on here. There's factions that can see through time, so their schemes and strategies involve timeline fuckery. Yeah I mean it's pretty unlikely that all this weird poo poo with bran won't come up a lot more. I don't think a single joke name is the only reason they introduced the idea of people's minds seeing through time.
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Aug 17, 2017 10:50
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WampaLord posted:I mean, time is a major plot hole in Empire Strikes Back (Did Luke become a Jedi in a week or did Han and Leia hang in that worm belly for months?) and that's still one of the best movies ever, so at a point just get over it or don't. ESB has the rest of the movie - story, dialogue, setting, atmosphere, cinematography, sound, music - going for it that easily compensates for such things. GoT has only banter, cinematography and tits left, and there was a distinct lack of the latter in the episode. Yes, time moves at the speed of plot, but if you do it too much it destroys any sense of space or time in the narrative and takes away any urgency or sense of danger - since the metaphorical helicopters can swoop in any minute, despite having been 800 miles south in the last scene.
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Aug 17, 2017 10:56
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How many more slow motion "this is it" scenes will Jon have left.
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Aug 17, 2017 11:03
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If people want to get technical. Westeros has always been the same size as the UK, if it had been the size of Europe King Robert's journey would have taken years not a month. if a dragon flies at 60mph it would take 5:45 hours to get from London to Glasgow. A crow flys 30-60mph. Dover to Dundee by ship at a quite leisurely pace of 10 knots is 1 day 15 hours. The reason it could take months to get from London to Glasgow in the days of yore was that the roads were complete poo poo, there is a socking great big mountain range running up the middle of the country, and horses need to rest and eat. Saying that, Outside of Jane Austin novels it could actually be much faster, with teams of fresh horses waiting at coaching inns ready to take you on to the next stage of the journey right away, it's just that people would choose to stop over at important towns or areas of historical interest. It was worse if you were a noble or a royal because it would have been insulting to travel past a great house and not stay over. Kings and queens in particular were notorious for using this as an excuse to have big 5 day banquets and gatherings at some poor sod's expense. Charles I, Henry VIII, and Elizabeth I were the worst for rolling in and bankrupting people. TL:DR the south to the north via road, long time. South to the north via sea or air, much much faster.
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Aug 17, 2017 11:16
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learnincurve posted:If people want to get technical. Winterfell to King's Landing is about 1400 miles, using the length of the wall as a scale, because it is exactly 300 miles long.
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Aug 17, 2017 11:28
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learnincurve posted:If people want to get technical. Westeros is the size of South America.
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Aug 17, 2017 11:30
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Funky See Funky Do posted:Westeros is the size of South America. Maybe in the books, in the show the first episode set it as a month from king's landing to winterfell by road, which would put it as the size of the UK, you can't travel across South America with a huge royal entourage on horseback in a month - in my head it's been that size the whole time, so fast travel hasn't been a thing for me, it's been a oh they are using boats now thing.
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Funky See Funky Do posted:Westeros is the size of South America. Was just about to pop in to say this. Westeros is supposed to be huge.
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