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I'm really excited for Dark Nights: Metal to hit trades (where I pick up all my comics). Something about everything I've heard is just hitting all those buttons of things I'll dig. I get the DC newsletter for some reason, I must have entered a contest years ago, and in it Snyder calls it "Kirby meets Frazetta" and while I'm not too sure what that's supposed to mean, I'm in.
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BrianWilly posted:I feel like there's not really as much buzz or excitement around this event as there usually is for these things, which is sort of an advantage in a way, but also a bummer on the other hand. It's clear that a lot of thought and creativity is being put into Metal, which is just really refreshing to experience after months of the only other major Comic Book Event this year being "But what if Captain America...was actually a Nazi all along????" Watch it take the #1 spot of the week and month, easy fuckin' peasy. edit: Since we're talking about it, I wonder how much of a coincidence it was that the Sandman Kirby Special came out the same day as Metal. I am a bit sad that the backup there was a Tales of the DNA Project instead of, you know, Sandman. Newsboy Legion had a Newsboy Legion story that was pretty handy to read as background. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Aug 17, 2017 |
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Aug 17, 2017 07:18
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Was there an issue I missed for Metal or was it some sort of In media Res thing?
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Aug 17, 2017 11:31
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There were two prequel issues, called Dark Days: The Forge and Dark Days: The Casting. Yes, it is confusing. But there was no setup to the League being forced to fight in Mongul's space arena, if that's what you're wondering. That's definitely supposed to be treated like we're jumping into one of the current adventures of the Justice League.
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Aug 17, 2017 11:45
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I'm not a new DC reader necessarily, been reading regularly for 5 years or so, but I had no idea what was going on for 80% of Metal. And yes I read the two prologue one-shots. I'll probably either wait for the trade and see if the whole thing makes more sense read all at once, or hope some website starts doing annotations to explain all the obscure references. Other than that, I can't see myself continuing to read it in singles.
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Aug 17, 2017 12:08
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Here's the story told basically, if it helps (mostly because I can only remember the broad details without looking back at it.) The Justice League are back from their latest adventure in space. They find a giant mountain has sprouted up out of nowhere in Gotham and go to investigate. They find a pod full of messed up people and an android. A team called the Blackhawks show up and take the JLs to special magic mystery land to explain. The leader is Hawkgirl who's quit being Hawkgirl. Turns out the mountain people were Hawkman's team he put together to investigate the origins of N'th metal, who vanished with their mountain base (as seen in the prequel comics) to a place that's so mysterious it's figuratively on the other side of the known multiverse map. Now they're back from the bad, bad extra multiverse dimension where a crazy bad demon force whatever lives and it's all linked to secret mythical Batman stuff and oops all that crazy business Batman was doing in the previous comics opened the door to that place. The android gets mad and busts up the place while various magic and metal-related DC characters (and Plastic Man as an egg) sense a disturbance. In all the confusion, Batman slipped out on a raptor with the last shard of Nth metal to investigate back in the Batcave. He hears a weird noise, goes upstairs, sees a glowing bat shape and a diary Hawkman stashed for him. Then a character from Neil Gaiman's Sandman says "Hey." Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Aug 17, 2017 |
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Aug 17, 2017 12:57
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AlmightyBob posted:"For those of you who want to read comics on their tvs" who the gently caress wants that I dunno, there's people who read comics on their phones, so why not go the opposite direction?
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Aug 17, 2017 13:23
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https://twitter.com/JimLee/status/897920828918030336 I dunno if Jim Lee can troll like Hickman, so I'm taking this as genuine 
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Aug 17, 2017 13:59
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BrianWilly posted:All of which is awesome to me, but I have to wonder if newer readers less familiar with that era of DC are gonna be psyched at all about these moments and nuances. Do they care that characters like the Metal Men and Blackhawks are being seamlessly reintegrated into the current DCU? Do they get as much of a kick out of the historical Hawkpeople visiting an ancient cult of Immortals who just so happen to include the Wizard Shazam, Ra's Al Ghul, and that evil lady vampire lady from I, Vampire? When Dream of the Endless pops up, do they get that it's all the more interesting and appropriate for this storyline because he is/was Daniel Hall, grandson of Carter and Shiera, whose presences are felt throughout the lore being reintroduced here for the first time?[/sub] I have almost no clue about the greater DCU at large, I really just like the Bat-family of books and have read misc. other stuff. Metal doesn't terribly interest or excite me, no.
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Aug 17, 2017 14:04
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Teenage Fansub posted:I dunno if Jim Lee can troll like Hickman, so I'm taking this as genuine Well, a Hickman JL would get me to read more than 3 non-Mini DC books again for sure. I would even endure someone like Jim Lee on pencils for it.
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Aug 17, 2017 14:20
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Teenage Fansub posted:https://twitter.com/JimLee/status/897920828918030336  Decius posted:Well, a Hickman JL would get me to read more than 3 non-Mini DC books again for sure. I would even endure someone like Jim Lee on pencils for it.
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Aug 17, 2017 16:03
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Between the Murphy Batman story, the Busiek Batman story and now Demon it looks like DC is doing something right to get my hard earned money.
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Aug 17, 2017 17:35
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Yeah it's been like that for like a year now.
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Aug 17, 2017 17:54
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If I were to gripe about one thing (and it is the internet so why not) it would be that DC is making these titles Graphic novels. I am trying to move away from buying single issues for limited series.
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Aug 17, 2017 18:29
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I'm just glad DC is finally giving a chance for diverse and underrepresented characters to shine, like Batman, Batman, Evil Green Lantern Batman, Evil Flash Batman, Batman, Evil Doomsday Batman, just generically evil Batman, Batman, and of course excited to see Batman finally get a mini-series early next year.
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Aug 17, 2017 18:47
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Speaking of Batman, this week's Batman was deliciously (pun intended) strange and unpredictable. The first few pages I thought the set up was too crazy and figured I wouldn't get into it, but by the end of the issue I was grinning. It really feels like King is taking a great and unpredictable approach to story telling and it does wonders for the title, and has some great "out of the box" thinking going into it. I am still not a hundred percent sold on this gang war between Joker and Riddler, but I love Bruce's reaction to it and I appreciate how unique the take on this gang war feels.
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Aug 17, 2017 18:51
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I loved each of their reasons for why they should be the one to kill Batman. Also, Joker spouting really terrible jokes in a desperate attempt to find something he finds funny is growing on me.
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Aug 17, 2017 18:59
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glitchwraith posted:I loved each of their reasons for why they should be the one to kill Batman. Also, Joker spouting really terrible jokes in a desperate attempt to find something he finds funny is growing on me. Joker's reason why he should be the one to kill Batman and not the Riddler was great.
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Aug 17, 2017 19:06
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Hey, remember the Mistic U comic that was announced for DCYou that we never got? http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2017/08/17/exclusive-zatanna-faust-and-more-enroll-in-mystik-u         quote:MYSTIK U #1 quote:So what is Mystik U about?
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Aug 17, 2017 19:37
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Sounds interesting. Seems Young Animal ish
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Aug 17, 2017 20:14
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Edge & Christian posted:I'm just glad DC is finally giving a chance for diverse and underrepresented characters to shine, like Batman, Batman, Evil Green Lantern Batman, Evil Flash Batman, Batman, Evil Doomsday Batman, just generically evil Batman, Batman, and of course excited to see Batman finally get a mini-series early next year. Ive been going back through a lot of the new 52 stuff lately and this really can't be emphasized enough. At least YA is cool.
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Aug 17, 2017 20:58
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I think the N52 was a bit more diverse at the start than things are now (I Vampire, Dial E, Animal Man, All-Star Western) but the imprints and constant special projects do make up for it.
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Aug 17, 2017 21:45
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Teenage Fansub posted:I think the N52 was a bit more diverse at the start than things are now (I Vampire, Dial E, Animal Man, All-Star Western) but the imprints and constant special projects do make up for it. I'd disagree that they make up for it. The main line is very safe and dedicated to characters they know will sell and that's why it's been successful. They've taken very few chances outside of Young Animal stuff and if you're not necessarily interested in those types of books then the main line hasn't offered much in the way of variety. Nothing in the main line offers a real change of pace or tone. For example at Marvel you have books like Spider-Man and X-Men and Avengers that offer one kind of story then you have books like Squirrel Girl and Gwenpool and Moon Girl that offer something else. And those are all main line books. DC doesn't really offer that kind of variety. Everything is just a various shade of a straightforward superhero book. And I totally understand why, it's because they're trying to rebuild their brand after the disaster that was the New 52. They've said as much. And I get it. But it's time to branch out. Give us a comedic Plastic Man book on the shelf next to a serious Batman. They can do that but they're just not ready to I guess.
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Aug 17, 2017 22:14
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The variant for RHATO 14 is amazing
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Aug 17, 2017 22:59
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If Red Hood would wore a scouter like a loving Saiyan, then I might just be tempted to read the book.
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Aug 17, 2017 23:50
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:The variant for RHATO 14 is amazing I'm honestly going to be disappointed if the Smart Bizarro thing is just 'Bizzaro is normal now and can also science', and not 'Super smart but just makes weird poo poo and is still off-kilter' like this variant implies.
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X-O posted:I'd disagree that they make up for it. The main line is very safe and dedicated to characters they know will sell and that's why it's been successful. They've taken very few chances outside of Young Animal stuff and if you're not necessarily interested in those types of books then the main line hasn't offered much in the way of variety. Nothing in the main line offers a real change of pace or tone. For example at Marvel you have books like Spider-Man and X-Men and Avengers that offer one kind of story then you have books like Squirrel Girl and Gwenpool and Moon Girl that offer something else. And those are all main line books. DC doesn't really offer that kind of variety. Everything is just a various shade of a straightforward superhero book. And I totally understand why, it's because they're trying to rebuild their brand after the disaster that was the New 52. They've said as much. And I get it. But it's time to branch out. Give us a comedic Plastic Man book on the shelf next to a serious Batman. They can do that but they're just not ready to I guess. They don't think it will sell, and they're probably right. Doom Patrol is doing ok (for an indie book, not for a big 2 title), but Shade, Mother Panic, and Cave Carson are all less than 10k, and Adventures of Forager is barely about that. They're the four worst selling regular books DC sold in July... The bi-weekly Green Lanterns book sold more than the entire YA line in July. The line is cool and basically all I'm buying from DC, but I wouldn't be shocked if it wasn't long for this world.
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Aug 18, 2017 01:48
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They have to have expectations in check with the imprints. Prez having to compete in the same ballpit as Batman and Justice League two years ago is probably the reason they broke stuff off.
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Aug 18, 2017 02:05
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I remember reading that the YA line is partially intended to be something that makes its money through trade sales, but I don't remember if that was an actual thing somebody actually working at DC said, or what a random goon on here was theorizing. At least they're at getting at least 12 issues each so far.
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Aug 18, 2017 02:19
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X-O posted:I'd disagree that they make up for it. The main line is very safe and dedicated to characters they know will sell and that's why it's been successful. They've taken very few chances outside of Young Animal stuff and if you're not necessarily interested in those types of books then the main line hasn't offered much in the way of variety. Nothing in the main line offers a real change of pace or tone. For example at Marvel you have books like Spider-Man and X-Men and Avengers that offer one kind of story then you have books like Squirrel Girl and Gwenpool and Moon Girl that offer something else. And those are all main line books. DC doesn't really offer that kind of variety. Everything is just a various shade of a straightforward superhero book. And I totally understand why, it's because they're trying to rebuild their brand after the disaster that was the New 52. They've said as much. And I get it. But it's time to branch out. Give us a comedic Plastic Man book on the shelf next to a serious Batman. They can do that but they're just not ready to I guess. I mean they just announced Terrifics so maybe your wish will be granted.
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Newsarama is a doing an fun little retrospective of Captain Marvel Part 1 https://www.newsarama.com/35699-an-oral-history-of-dc-s-shazam-captain-marvel-the-fawcett-years-part-1.html Part 2 https://www.newsarama.com/35740-an-oral-history-of-dc-s-captain-marvel-shazam-the-fawcett-years-part-2.html Part 3 https://www.newsarama.com/35763-an-oral-history-of-dc-s-captain-marvel-shazam-the-fawcett-years-part-3.html Part 4 https://www.newsarama.com/35806-an-oral-history-of-dc-s-captain-marvel-shazam-the-lost-years-pt-1.html Part 5 https://www.newsarama.com/35839-an-oral-history-of-dc-s-captain-marvel-shazam-the-lost-years-part-2.html Part 6 https://www.newsarama.com/35855-an-oral-history-of-dc-s-captain-marvel-shazam-the-lost-years-part-3.html Par 7 (Current part) https://www.newsarama.com/35984-an-oral-history-of-dc-s-captain-marvel-shazam-the-shazam-years-part-1.html
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Teenage Fansub posted:They have to have expectations in check with the imprints. Prez having to compete in the same ballpit as Batman and Justice League two years ago is probably the reason they broke stuff off. What does this mean though? Is DC paying significantly lower page rates for YA? Do they have some sort of mechanism where they can make YA books cheaper? They are competing in the same ballpit. They're priced the same, they're both competing for reader dollars, they're both competing for the same investment dollars, and at the end of the day somebody is going to make a determination based on profitability - when the entire line is doing badly that's not going to go well. I get that they're trying to start an imprint, but it's going to die in the cradle if they don't come up with a way to get a few hits. Which sucks.
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Aug 18, 2017 05:36
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Not all artists get the same page rate.
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Aug 18, 2017 05:45
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Rhyno posted:Not all artists get the same page rate. I realize that, but I look at the creators YA has used and I don't think they're aiming for significant discounts. Maybe they are, who knows.
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After DCYou, I think they're obviously protecting special projects from the bottom line chopping block by compartmentalizing. Each Young Animal comic has to eventually meet an expectation I suppose, but it's gotta be an entirely different one than the meat and potatoes Rebirth brand. They don't even seem to be in the business of cancelling comics at the moment, but I'm sure everyone's more worried about Cyborg selling $12k than Mother Panic selling 5 (or whatever it is.) Kamandi Challenge even being floated as an idea should tell you something.
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See I think putting it into a line protects it, but only if that line has some measure of success. Maybe Doom Patrol is successful enough to cover for Shade, Carson and Mother Panic. If they're all poor sellers though, it's a lot easier to just justify shutting down the entire line. Who knows with comic companies though.
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Aug 18, 2017 16:02
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NW: New Order preview http://comicbook.com/dc/2017/08/17/exclusive-dc-preview-nightwing-the-new-order-1/ I'm intrigued.
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Aug 18, 2017 18:09
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That has nothing to do with the upcoming future fascist Batman story coming in Detective Comics (and previewed in the latest Batwoman) does it? It's so weird that the two are happening at basically the same time.
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Aug 18, 2017 23:23
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Teenage Fansub posted:That has nothing to do with the upcoming future fascist Batman story coming in Detective Comics (and previewed in the latest Batwoman) does it? No what's weird is that we're getting two completely different "Ex-Robin turns Fascist in the Future" stories at the same time and yet neither of them are Jason Todd.
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Oh, yeah. Did you know Jason turns into Nick Fury in the Batwoman/Dec future, D_T? Check it.
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