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all we wanted was an f5 into rko spot and instead they had lesnar bust open orton's head hardway with elbows and it was gross and we didn't even get that loving spot
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Aug 16, 2017 06:34
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Gaz-L posted:I'm still mad he let Kendrick give him the Burning Hammer in the CWC AND IT WAS FOR A loving NEARFALL! The only person allowed to use burning hammers and have opponents get up is Wolf Hawkfield
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Aug 16, 2017 06:46
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MassRafTer posted:Eh gap isn't as big as it was in the past. Especially since they run more big singles matches. we also don't know the full extent of it like we do that style since it's still escalating and none of those guys are that far into their main event careers yet
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Aug 16, 2017 07:08
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Maxwell Lord posted:Okay what's this in reference to? I've completely forgotten whatever this was if I ever saw it. randy orton getting his head caved in at the last summer slam by brock
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Aug 16, 2017 12:41
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Spermgod posted:we also don't know the full extent of it like we do that style since it's still escalating and none of those guys are that far into their main event careers yet Tanahashi's 40 and Nakamura is old enough to be a former NXT champion who now takes naps through singles matches.
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Aug 16, 2017 15:04
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MassRafTer posted:Tanahashi's 40 and Nakamura is old enough to be a former NXT champion who now takes naps through singles matches. i assumed we were talking about the omega/okada/ibushi/naito style more than the tanahashi/nakamura style which was more reined in, especially tanahashi
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Aug 16, 2017 16:19
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I remember Doug Furnas and Phil LaFon being absolutely loving fantastic. What happened to their WWF run?
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Aug 17, 2017 18:47
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titties posted:I remember Doug Furnas and Phil LaFon being absolutely loving fantastic. What happened to their WWF run? They had a decent run considering how bad the WWE tag scene was in 97 But what kind of ended it was when they were badly hurt in a car crash (Sid Vicious was driving) which put them on the shelf and they asked for their releases.
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Aug 17, 2017 19:08
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titties posted:I remember Doug Furnas and Phil LaFon being absolutely loving fantastic. What happened to their WWF run? It didn't help Doug's body was pretty much shot and they didn't really get a push.
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Aug 17, 2017 22:47
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Is this story legit? http://whatculture.com/wwe/20-most-infamous-real-life-wrestling-fights-of-all-time?page=6 quote:During a TNA tour of England in January 2016, years of bad blood between Awesome Kong and Matt Hardy'€™s wife Reby Sky came to a head. I heard a lot of praise for Kong and I just watched a shoot interview with her and she seemed cool. But holy poo poo, this is a bit more than the usual stories of someone threw a punch and a little scuffle. Choking someone in front of their baby son is...yeah. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Aug 17, 2017 |
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Aug 17, 2017 23:18
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Kong is very, very nice unless you get her angry. Then she sees red mist.
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Aug 17, 2017 23:36
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Reby Hardy seems loving unbearable so if that happened I assume there was some build up.
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Aug 17, 2017 23:39
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Babies can't remember stuff that young anyway so it's all good.
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Aug 18, 2017 00:05
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That would also be during Kong's second TNA run that is characterized by extreme depression following the loss of her stillborn child.
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Aug 18, 2017 00:26
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How many times did Seth and Dolph attempt to cash in but ultimately not do it? And I guess any other noteworthy he-almost-cashed-in-but-then-he-didn't moments. After Baron Corbin's boo-boo, I'm suddenly really into MitB cash-in strategy.
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Aug 18, 2017 00:34
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I think Umaga attacked Punk when he tried to cash in for a while
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Aug 18, 2017 00:51
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Del Rio tried to do it after Punk beat Cena for the title.
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Aug 18, 2017 00:58
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VJeff posted:How many times did Seth and Dolph attempt to cash in but ultimately not do it? I remember Jack Swagger teasing cashing in on Raw when Cena was champ but getting chased off then cashing in on Jericho the next night on SmackDown (Friday night on TV). Always thought having one briefcase for both brands was cool because it made cash-ins more random
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Aug 18, 2017 00:59
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Dean Ambrose playing spoiler to Rollins was really what made me think he could be a big star and is also coincidentally the last time I really liked him.
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VJeff posted:How many times did Seth and Dolph attempt to cash in but ultimately not do it? Seth tried cashing in 1 time before he used it at WM Seth won MITB and later that night Cena won Bryan's vacated title. At Battleground Ambrose chased Rollins out of the building, so he wasn't around to cash in after the ME. At Summerslam, Lesnar squashed Cena, and Rollins didn't cash in. Rollins attempted to cash in during the ME of NOC, first causing a disqualification leading to Cena beating Brock, but the cash in match was waved off before the bell rang so it didn't count. Then Brock went and disappeared off TV until Royal Rumble. HHH and Stephanie took a month long vacation that led to Cena and Rollins being declared #1 contenders for a match against Brock at the Rumble. (Not a cash in) Brock pinned Rollins at Rumble No Brock at Fast Lane Rollins cashes in at WM for the title
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Aug 18, 2017 01:57
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How was Jim Cornette when he had the book? Post-territories it was basically OVW and plateau-era ROH, right? I assume we're not talking Russo levels of disaster here, but was it general chaos or pretty decent?
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Aug 18, 2017 05:28
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It was acceptable.
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Aug 18, 2017 06:33
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He was a big part of the very well-booked 1997 WWF year. IIRC the quality dropped off when he left creative in the winter.
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Aug 18, 2017 15:00
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Paracaidas posted:How was Jim Cornette when he had the book? He was on creative in WWE in 96-97 and part of the Hart Foundation angle. His OVW run was good. Much better than the awful Heyman stuff that followed.
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Aug 18, 2017 15:35
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schweens posted:Always thought having one briefcase for both brands was cool because it made cash-ins more random I wish they'd do this again, just so they could swerve the smarks by cashing in on the NXT title at a Takeover or something
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Aug 19, 2017 01:53
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Venomous posted:I wish they'd do this again, just so they could swerve the smarks by cashing in on the NXT title at a Takeover or something SWERVE: You are back to making your downside guarantee while wrestling in front of 300 people!
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Aug 19, 2017 02:42
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I thought about asking this in the WWE thread but that's only part of what I want to ask so I'll stick it here instead. I never watched ECW back in the day. It had some crazy fans from what I saw online back when I started posting on wrestling forums. I always heard it was the nWo and WCW that jump started North American prowrestling but ECW fans would come out of the woodwork to say no it was them. Some of the stuff I've heard about Heyman is rather unpleasant, too. Also Cane Dewey. But forgetting all that, it was an important part of wrestling history and catapulted some careers. Specifically, I always liked what I saw of Raven yet neither WCW nor WWE really seemed to use him as well as I heard. I want to see more of him at his peak. And the questions at last. Firstly, I was thinking of using the lovely WWE Network to watch some old ECW stuff but I was told the Network edited and butchered the material. How accurate is this? Secondly, is it worth it? Does ECW hold up?
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Aug 19, 2017 07:27
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I think it seems horribly dated now, especially if you're squeamish about guys taking unprotected head shots from chairs and other weapons
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Aug 19, 2017 09:19
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It's very much "of it's time". If you can accept a lot of the stuff that comes with watching "edgy" media produced dead in the middle of the 1990s then you'll find some good stuff, although most people will say that the really good stuff was on the TV shows as opposed to the PPVs. When I say "of it's time" I mean there's some stuff that's pretty drat grisly and some stuff that's frankly uncomfortable to watch (if you've ever wanted to see several hundred people chant YOU'RE A human being at somebody, that will happen). There's a match on one of the better shows where someone does a sliding baseball kick through a puddle of blood into someones face.
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Aug 19, 2017 09:32
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Easiest way to watch peak ECW is to watch Hardcore TV from January 1995 through April 1997 and then watch Barely Legal The Network versions of Hardcore TV have a lot of music overdubs, but they're watchable
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Aug 19, 2017 10:18
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Yeah , also have to keep in mind that a big part of it was the music. They were the only ones using licensed songs as opposed to generic poo poo and it actually added a lot to the overall feel. Nowadays...well, for example you're gonna get Sandman doing his entrance to generic poo poo instead of the crowd going berserk to Enter Sandman if you're watching the Network versions, the effect is lost.
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Aug 19, 2017 13:39
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NikkolasKing posted:I thought about asking this in the WWE thread but that's only part of what I want to ask so I'll stick it here instead. Speaking as someone who only watched ecw after the fact, it loving sucks.
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Aug 19, 2017 13:45
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DeathChicken posted:Yeah , also have to keep in mind that a big part of it was the music. They were the only ones using licensed songs as opposed to generic poo poo and it actually added a lot to the overall feel. Nowadays...well, for example you're gonna get Sandman doing his entrance to generic poo poo instead of the crowd going berserk to Enter Sandman if you're watching the Network versions, the effect is lost.
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Aug 19, 2017 13:46
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counterpoint: ECW hired a lot of talented people that were being underused/neglected by WCW/WWF. Steve Austin, Foley, Jericho, Dean Malenko, etc. Matches involving them will be good. I remember seeing a series of matches between Tajiri and Super Crazy every week for a while that were great. If you use the fast foward button liberally you'll find some gems but ecw itself was not very good.
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ECW was a great idea tank for WCW and WWF to pluck from, but in itself had very few *great* matches, and doesn't hold up nearly as well as you think it does 20 years later. I've been watching a lot of old CZW, FMW, and IWA Mid-South. ECW might have been the innovator but sure weren't the best at what they did.
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Aug 19, 2017 14:36
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ECW is worth watching for the crazy weekly booking from about 95 to 97 when Paul ran out of ideas. ECW kind of actually sucks in the PPV era.
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Aug 19, 2017 15:29
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NikkolasKing posted:I thought about asking this in the WWE thread but that's only part of what I want to ask so I'll stick it here instead. Hitting people in the head with chairs does not hold up well. Bloody brawls weren't good even at the time. But Tajiri/Super Crazy holds up. RVD/Lynn holds up. My favorite year of ECW was actually 1999. RVD at his peak. Jerry Lynn. Lance Storm. Tajiri. Super Crazy. Little Guido. Dudley Boys being great heels and trying to cause riots with their promos. I recommend watching Barely Legal 97, Heatwave 98, Living Dangerously 99, Hardcore Heaven 99, Heatwave 99, Anarchy Rules 99
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Aug 19, 2017 15:58
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some guy on the bus posted:Hitting people in the head with chairs does not hold up well. Bloody brawls weren't good even at the time. But Tajiri/Super Crazy holds up. RVD/Lynn holds up. My favorite year of ECW was actually 1999. RVD at his peak. Jerry Lynn. Lance Storm. Tajiri. Super Crazy. Little Guido. Dudley Boys being great heels and trying to cause riots with their promos. Tanaka/Awesome matches are really hard to go back and watch for a lot of people though because of the unsafe chair shots to the head.
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RealFoxy posted:Tanaka/Awesome matches are really hard to go back and watch for a lot of people though because of the unsafe chair shots to the head. Well, that and, you know, Awesome killing himself by hanging a few years later.
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