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Decius
Oct 14, 2005

Ramrod XTreme

Propaganda Machine posted:

And here I thought it was pretty obvious that Valyrian steel was fantasy Damascus steel. And no it wouldn't loving work for a warhammer you use that poo poo to maintain a solid magically bullshit edge.

It's more than that. Wootz steel is a complicated (and great looking) way to make mediocre steel into steel with properties that our current commercial steel has (very flexible while also hard - but not brittle - and holding a great edge and still being relatively resharpenable) before a smith could control the environment well enough to do this with normal steel. But European smiths could make normal steel to nearly match Damascus steel as early as the 13th century, since the raw material mined was really, really good by this time and the really good smiths knew their poo poo and refined the process of centuries.
Valaryian steel can do poo poo like cut through normal swords, doesn't need to be resharpened and kill Others. It's rooted in the Damascus steel myth ("cuts through rifle barrels!"), but added Fantasy poo poo to it.

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Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Barreft posted:

Or like, just know it's a tv show, one of the most popular ever and realize maybe you're expecting too much.

I can already see this thread ripping apart any awards this season gets even though it's like the most popular show ever. But goddammit a dozen goons know better than the 10 million watching it and pirating it as quickly as they can to get their fix.

http://ew.com/tv/2017/08/15/game-of-thrones-ratings-eastwatch/

pre-reply to what I know will be posted: I understand, you all know tv better than millions upon millions of people all around the world.

So if something's popular it must be good?

Barreft
Jul 21, 2014

Jeb! Repetition posted:

So if something's popular it must be good?

pop·u·lar
ˈpäpyələr/Submit
adjective
1.
liked, admired, or enjoyed by many people or by a particular person or group.
"she was one of the most popular girls in the school"
synonyms: well liked, favored, sought-after, in demand, desired, wanted; More
2.
(of cultural activities or products) intended for or suited to the taste, understanding, or means of the general public rather than specialists or intellectuals.
"the popular press"

.. Yes?

lezard_valeth
Mar 14, 2016

Barreft posted:

pop·u·lar
ˈpäpyələr/Submit
adjective
1.
liked, admired, or enjoyed by many people or by a particular person or group.
"she was one of the most popular girls in the school"
synonyms: well liked, favored, sought-after, in demand, desired, wanted; More
2.
(of cultural activities or products) intended for or suited to the taste, understanding, or means of the general public rather than specialists or intellectuals.
"the popular press"

.. Yes?
Counterargument:


e: Holy poo poo, googling this made me depressed. It has an even higher viewcount than the Walking Dead.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Barreft posted:

pop·u·lar
ˈpäpyələr/Submit
adjective
1.
liked, admired, or enjoyed by many people or by a particular person or group.
"she was one of the most popular girls in the school"
synonyms: well liked, favored, sought-after, in demand, desired, wanted; More
2.
(of cultural activities or products) intended for or suited to the taste, understanding, or means of the general public rather than specialists or intellectuals.
"the popular press"

.. Yes?

http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/q2-2017-ratings-fox-news-is-the-most-watched-cable-news-network-for-62nd-straight-quarters/333380

Barreft
Jul 21, 2014

If it wasn't good, it wouldn't be popular, and it wouldn't have gotten all the seasons it has, HBO would have cancelled it.

But hey lets go back and critique Arya's face for some inane reason.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




It is a good show. You're not wrong about that.

But is it as good as it was in seasons 1-4? No. And that's why we bitch. Because we like the show and we care.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Barreft posted:

If it wasn't good, it wouldn't be popular, and it wouldn't have gotten all the seasons it has, HBO would have cancelled it.

But hey lets go back and critique Arya's face for some inane reason.

He didn't even say the show was bad, he just critiqued some specific aspects of its visuals. So are you saying that The Big Bang Theory and Fox News are not only good by virtue of their popularity, they're also perfect?

Barreft
Jul 21, 2014


Now that is a total Trump "BOTH SIDES" post, don't even do that poo poo. Fox News is evil and state run, GOT is a show about tits and dragons enjoyed by million around the world.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




Barreft posted:

Now that is a total Trump "BOTH SIDES" post, don't even do that poo poo. Fox News is evil and state run, GOT is a show about tits and dragons enjoyed by million around the world.

The Walking Dead is the most watched scripted show on television. Is that show also perfect and deserving of many awards?

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Barreft posted:

Now that is a total Trump "BOTH SIDES" post, don't even do that poo poo. Fox News is evil and state run, GOT is a show about tits and dragons enjoyed by million around the world.

:doh: No poo poo!

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

esperterra posted:

It is a good show. You're not wrong about that.

But is it as good as it was in seasons 1-4? No. And that's why we bitch. Because we like the show and we care.

:yeah:

Also, Barreft, McDonald's has sold billions of hamburgers, they're clearly very popular. Are they good?

Barreft
Jul 21, 2014

esperterra posted:

The Walking Dead is the most watched scripted show on television. Is that show also perfect and deserving of many awards?

Quote where I said GOT is perfect. I'll wait.

lezard_valeth
Mar 14, 2016
Just because you like something doesn't mean you can't critique it, in the same way that just because you hate something doesn't mean you can't find praise in it.

Here, let me give you an example.

I think Arya's plot is dumb. I think Bernadette is hot.

bloom
Feb 25, 2017

by sebmojo

Jeb! Repetition posted:

He didn't even say the show was bad, he just critiqued some specific aspects of its visuals. So are you saying that The Big Bang Theory and Fox News are not only good by virtue of their popularity, they're also perfect?

Whoa pal, you're on the internet. Get the gently caress out of here with this nuanced opinions bullshit. Everyone knows things are either perfect in every way or irredeemable trash.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




Barreft posted:

Quote where I said GOT is perfect. I'll wait.

So I paraphrased a little. The point is your stance seems to be popularity = quality, when more often than not the most popular shows aren't great television.

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

Arglebargle III posted:

Cersei may be hanging onto the throne by her nails, but the Seven Kingdoms won't mobilize to face a new threat without some sort of legitimate leadership. The Essos Krew are probably wrong in thinking that Cersei would be able to mobilize the south if they could convince her, but she needs to be dealt with one way or the other before the three relatively undamaged kingdoms can raise new armies and send them north.

There will be no North to send them to though.

The Wall has fallen and the Night King is moving South with an army of the Undead, who can march day and night. He will arrive in Winterfell (even though it would be smarter to just go Last Hearth, Dreadfort, White Harbour, Moat Caillin) long before any army in the south can mobilize and move North.

And if the Night King were super smart (again, he ain't), he would just take his dragon, load up 5 White Walkers and fly them next to Gulltown, Oldtown, Lannisport, White Harbour and King's Landing, dropping them of in a small village next to the city to raise their first few Wights and go from there. Once they have overrun those major population centers, who have no idea how to deal with White Walkers, he has won.

Barreft
Jul 21, 2014

esperterra posted:

So I paraphrased a little.

k thanks

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




Barreft posted:

k thanks

yw bae

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
I think they're setting up an oh poo poo moment when it's revealed the WWs are fireproof. Lingering on the NK just strolling over flames etc

lezard_valeth
Mar 14, 2016

precision posted:

I think they're setting up an oh poo poo moment when it's revealed the WWs are fireproof. Lingering on the NK just strolling over flames etc

It's been already established?

Like when the Hardhome hut was in flames and the WW walked past it. Or when the Children of the Forest set the entrance on fire and the WW just walked past it, while the wights had to dig their way in. Or this episode the NK walked through fire to get a clear noscope of Viserion.

Probably a direct hit from dragonfire will do some damage, at least to the non NK white walkers.

Hexel
Nov 18, 2011




precision posted:

I think they're setting up an oh poo poo moment when it's revealed the WWs are fireproof. Lingering on the NK just strolling over flames etc

they been walking through flames for a couple seasons now

i bet he parts a dragonfire blast like the red sea

Barreft
Jul 21, 2014

precision posted:

I think they're setting up an oh poo poo moment when it's revealed the WWs are fireproof. Lingering on the NK just strolling over flames etc

Yeah I'm thinking in the end only obsidian/valyrian steel can actually kill them. They made a point to show that's how they made the white walkers, so that's how they ultimately destroy them. Also remember the WW at Hardhome who just walked through the fire to kill the Thenn and beat Jon's rear end.

e: massively beat

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Barreft posted:

Yeah I'm thinking in the end only obsidian/valyrian steel can actually kill them. They made a point to show that's how they made the white walkers, so that's how they ultimately destroy them. Also remember the WW at Hardhome who just walked through the fire to kill the Thenn and beat Jon's rear end.

e: massively beat

Massively beat Jon's rear end, got it.

Barreft
Jul 21, 2014

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Massively beat Jon's rear end, got it.

What is your problem?

Motorola 68000
Apr 25, 2014

"Don't be nice. Be good."
Just saw that there is a leaked copy of ep 6. I've hit my cap on my phone hotspot and only have satellite internet where I am staying at the moment. :negative:

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




RIP

Low Desert Punk
Jul 4, 2012

i have absolutely no fucking money
its not that great. reading the spoilers is all you really need

lezard_valeth
Mar 14, 2016
A reason I believe why they didn't use Bran as the messenger (aside from the most probable possibility that it didn't occur to them to use the Omniscient Script Carrier to do anything meaningful) was because him warging into ravens and then turning to the Maester and tell him "we need to send a raven" would feel recycled from the previous episode almost to memetic levels.

So here is my fanficdonotsteal version:

It would have worked and also looked really cool and dramatic (which is D&D's favorite kind of honey) if the Lake Island happened to have a Weirwood phone tree in it. Instead of just the breaking ice component, make it so that the Weirwood tree has an anti-wight field that the NK/WWs have to slowly chip away with their cold powers, simbolized by the tree withering. Instead of the Hound giving away the fact that yes, water does re-freeze eventually, as a sign for the wights to resume their attack (although granted, this was a really fun scene), have the tree losing it's last leaf be the signal (cause, you know, Beauty and the Beast remastered came out this year...it's like poetry)

Meanwhile Bran sees this and decides "Hey, sending a raven would be stupid cause nerds will try to use science to explain why that's bullshit" and resorts to using his magical whatevertheplotneedsthemtobe powers to like whisper Daenerys' name in the wind. Daenerys hears the whisper but it's left unclear to the viewer wether she understand the message or not, making her dramatic rescue actually dramatic instead of "oh hey, we just saw you depart from Dragonstone. That was a quick trip".

plz let me be a writer in the show this year. ktxhbai.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Low Desert Punk posted:

its not that great. reading the spoilers is all you really need

Disagree, the ranging party dialogue alone is worth the price of admission.

lezard_valeth
Mar 14, 2016

WampaLord posted:

Disagree, the ranging party dialogue alone is worth the price of admission.
Plus, just like The Door, it reads really stupid but it's not all that bad once you apply the special effects filter

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




WampaLord posted:

Disagree, the ranging party dialogue alone is worth the price of admission.

I also really liked the Sansa and Brienne scene in a vacuum.

Yestermoment
Jul 27, 2007

The same could be said for the finale. I want to see Baelish die like a bitch. Well or poorly shot.

Shouldn't have touched schools.

lezard_valeth
Mar 14, 2016
Speaking of Baelish, where is his pimp boy Olyvar?

Was he still prisoner when the sept went kaboom?

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




I'm assuming he died of malicious gay faggotry.

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo
So, Dragcicle? Blizzagon? show of hands...

Hellbore
Jan 25, 2012
Blue Eyes Wight Dragon :colbert:

Hellbore fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Aug 18, 2017

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
now that the Night King has a mount, he can be a...

Night Ranger

:kickinrad:

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo
Yeah our focus group said we like mixed names... like Kimye and Stargaryen.

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GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

Rocksicles posted:

Yeah our focus group said we like mixed names... like Kimye and Stargaryen.

It's Tark

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