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Bicyclops posted:Tina Fey is a very funny woman who is often on the wrong side of politics so hard that it sucks the humor out of her work. There are like four episodes of Kimmy Schmidt that are the comedy writer equivalent of those embarrassing posts Kale made about millenials and identity politics. Amy Poehler's husband divorced her because he couldn't put up with her Hillary obsession
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pillsburysoldier posted:link this heavy poo poo https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/898152631209648128 https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/898153795938467841 Context: He basically "translated" Trump's tweets here. https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/897160573984546816 https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/895436807545823233 https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/875452945734684672 Mordaedil fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Aug 18, 2017 |
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Hamill is quite good! Tina Fey's routine was such and indictment of doing nothing that I was very surprised when she ended it with a sincere call to actually do nothing.
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I think the skit is fine at least in the abstract, it's just people want CLARION CALLS FOR ACTION right now and anything short of calling for the next Battle of Cable Street is going to piss a lot of people off. Plus nobody is going to build retweets and followers by shrugging and going "a joke happened, why would I bother tweeting about it?"
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EugeneJ posted:Amy Poehler's husband divorced her because he couldn't put up with her Hillary obsession What?
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Your Taint posted:I'm not saying I'm necessarily advocating for staying home and ignoring them, only that's what I interpreted her point as being and I kind of see it. I'm not picking on you in particular Your Taint but rather using the above post as an example of an idea I see echoed in this thread repeatedly. It sounds like a good idea but in reality it is nonsense being generated by naivete/ignorance about pathological people. If there are 10 Nazi's in a march, then yes the best solution actually is to just ignore them. However, they are loving Nazi's and the only thing that prevents them from going on a violent crusade to harm/kill minorities is the fear of reprisal. If there are several hundred Nazi's gathered together in a protest it is no longer possible to ignore them. They will make sure you cannot and/or interpret your actions as permissiveness for them to engage in violence against minorities. If Antifa had not shown up at all to Charlottesville it would have still been a massively violent rally because the Nazi's would have gone looking for targets to enact their rage upon and other Nazi's would have seen Antifas absence as an invitation to join up and commit mob violence. Simply ignoring this many radicalized Nazis at this point is not a viable option, and I genuinely wish people would stop acting like it is. From my perspective it is the most childishly naive idea and I genuinely don't have any gentler words to communicate how sincerely stupid the notion is. While I appreciate the sentiment behind simply ignoring the Nazi's to make them go away the idea fails to take into context that this is a survival situation now and not your regularly scheduled programming. This is now a struggle to the death between society and Nazi's. You don't win a struggle to the death by ignoring your opponent, if you do he will kill you. If you ignore the Nazi's at this point, they will kill us. The normal rules of polite society do not apply to a fight to the death.
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If you watch all the other left-leaning comedy news shows, you immediately see how tame and misguided SNL's political humor is. They're practically freshman-college-level analysis and satire.
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EugeneJ posted:Amy Poehler's husband divorced her because he couldn't put up with her Hillary obsession It was actually because of a seal deal.
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It's not so much their numbers -- they're still relatively miniscule in terms of the overall population -- it's that they are receiving support and praise from the President, and the President is actively shutting down the government programs that would keep these kinds of radicals in check; cutting funding to investigate right wing terror groups, eliminating deradicalization programs, etc. As a result they're emboldened and think they can get away with things; they think the broader population supports them, because the president does. If Obama were still in office this wouldn't be a problem, but if Obama were in office Charlottesville wouldn't have happened.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:KKK must love that he is going to a place called Camp David. Uhm I thought it was named after the statue?
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Bicyclops posted:Tina Fey is a very funny woman who is often on the wrong side of politics so hard that it sucks the humor out of her work. There are like four episodes of Kimmy Schmidt that are the comedy writer equivalent of those embarrassing posts Kale made about millenials and identity politics. I dropped out of Kimmy Schmidt about halfway through the season this year, largely because of stuff like this. It was like they were trying to appeal to the Gamergate audience or something.
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Your Taint posted:I think at the end she was serious about people staying home. The Nazis fucks get off on people watching them and being mad and afraid. There wouldn't be many rallies if we didn't give them the satisfaction of having an audience. Try thinking of Nazi psychology in the same basic mentality as your common bully. "Just ignore them, don't give him the satisfaction" works for someone calling you a fag on twitter, but once you're in the realm of gleeful physical intimidation, that time has past. Just looking at your shoes and hoping he goes away will be correctly interpreted for the fear it is. Also in a wider sense, I'm noticing an underlying kind of assumption of "well we're not in fourth reich- American army in swastika armbands shovelling Jews in the oven territory yet, and I don't see how we get there, so why fuss?" But this is to ignore that the history of white supremacy in America post slavery has been one of small scale, targeted terrorise against specific communities. A klan march through a town doesn't mean much to a tut-tutting white person staying home in their PJs but it means it's time for minorities in that community to pack their bags. A threat doesn't need to be national, world dominating threat to you to be an immediate present threat to somebody. I mean ultimately it's pretty goddamn tragic if a white person gets killed protesting violence against minorities, and the response from other white people is "woah, I didn't realise these guys actually meant business! guess we should just be safe and sensible and get out of their way!" massive spider fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Aug 18, 2017 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It's not so much their numbers -- they're still relatively miniscule in terms of the overall population -- it's that they are receiving support and praise from the President, and the President is actively shutting down the government programs that would keep these kinds of radicals in check; cutting funding to investigate right wing terror groups, eliminating deradicalization programs, etc. As a result they're emboldened and think they can get away with things; they think the broader population supports them, because the president does. I've heard "29% of the US population openly support these assholes" as the actual number, but can't seem to find any reliable source one way or the other.
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Welp, they dug up a state legislator that proposed a second amendment solution on her Facebook. She'll get drummed out within 2 weeks but this will be covered out of balance and viewed as equivalent to national office-holders and the president supporting or collaborating with literal Nazis (and doing nothing to fix it). gently caress the media for continuously giving conservative narratives oxygen.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It's not so much their numbers -- they're still relatively miniscule in terms of the overall population -- it's that they are receiving support and praise from the President, and the President is actively shutting down the government programs that would keep these kinds of radicals in check; cutting funding to investigate right wing terror groups, eliminating deradicalization programs, etc. As a result they're emboldened and think they can get away with things; they think the broader population supports them, because the president does. This is a very good point as well. The Federal government isn;t going to stop the Nazis, so the responsibility falls upon the citizenry. Unfortunately.
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It's important to remember that for every 1 person that you see at one of those rallies there are 100 people at home wishing they were there. That's the issue these are the people that are very visible the others though will happily agree and go along with them
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Orange Devil posted:You aren't going to be able to turn them into a big joke.
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holy poo poo, he hasn't gone to Camp David loving once and never intended to go. This is some kind of loving intervention, isn't it?
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There is kinda a point that can be made about ignoring nazis though - media reporting on nazis does improve their exposure. Big scary rallies on TV and interviews of nazis magnify the size of the movement. The press needs to be careful to not do nazis' PR for them. Maybe "let nazis should into the empty air" is not necessarily in conflict with opposing their rallies, it can be complimentary.
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They are saying the camp David meeting is to talk about Afghanistan but since that could happen at one of his golf courses, and Pence came back early from a trip for it, I have to imagine this is an intervention.
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Chilichimp posted:holy poo poo, he hasn't gone to Camp David loving once and never intended to go. Almost certainly this is some sort of conversation about threatening to replace him, I'm just not sure how strongly they're going to word it. Fangz posted:There is kinda a point that can be made about ignoring nazis though - media reporting on nazis does improve their exposure. Big scary rallies on TV and interviews of nazis magnify the size of the movement. The press needs to be careful to not do nazis' PR for them. Maybe "let nazis should into the empty air" is not necessarily in conflict with opposing their rallies, it can be complimentary. No, people need to be alerted to the fact that Nazis are gathering in real numbers and are doing violence on American soil. YOU CAN'T IGNORE NAZIS, THAT'S HOW THEY WIN!
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Prester Jane posted:I'm not picking on you in particular Your Taint but rather using the above post as an example of an idea I see echoed in this thread repeatedly. It sounds like a good idea but in reality it is nonsense being generated by naivete/ignorance about pathological people. But they got a protest permit while the counterprotesters didn't, therefore the Nazis had the moral highground and all violence is responsibility of the left and the police.
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Fangz posted:There is kinda a point that can be made about ignoring nazis though - media reporting on nazis does improve their exposure. Big scary rallies on TV and interviews of nazis magnify the size of the movement. The press needs to be careful to not do nazis' PR for them. As others have said, the media exposure is their biggest boon and biggest enemy. On one hand, yes, it's a soft recruitment drive. On the other hand, it's showing that yes, when we were calling the facists "Nazis" was not hyperbole and we are not unnecessarily attacking them.
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biracial bear for uncut posted:I've heard "29% of the US population openly support these assholes" as the actual number, but can't seem to find any reliable source one way or the other. Oh, depending on how you define "support", you could argue that literally every Trump voter was at best a fellow traveler with this stuff; it's not like Trump has suddenly done some kind of pivot, he's always been exactly this bad. And you can get roughly 20% of the country to agree to almost anything in a poll. But there were, from what I've read, only about 100 people in the tiki torch march, and the summaries I've seen say there were about 500 nazis and about 1000 counterprotestors at the rally the next day. There are still very few people in this country crazy enough to actually don the swastika, and even at what looks like a high point for them they were outnumbered 2-1. But it's extraordinarily important to keep them outnumbered.
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Chilichimp posted:holy poo poo, he hasn't gone to Camp David loving once and never intended to go. Trump wanted to do backsies on even nominating him as VP in the first place; if it's an intervention I don't see it doing much good. Plus let me throw in a friendly reminder that Pence found a way to make the sneakily right wing and all-around racist as gently caress state of Indiana hate the poo poo out of him. He's not a clever politician, just less of a glaringly obvious trainwreck than Trump.
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Conspiratiorist posted:But they got a protest permit while the counterprotesters didn't, therefore the Nazis had the moral highground and all violence is responsibility of the left and the police. Not sure if  or not, but the counterprotesters in Charlottesville did have a permit.
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Fangz posted:There is kinda a point that can be made about ignoring nazis though - media reporting on nazis does improve their exposure. Big scary rallies on TV and interviews of nazis magnify the size of the movement. The press needs to be careful to not do nazis' PR for them. Maybe "let nazis should into the empty air" is not necessarily in conflict with opposing their rallies, it can be complimentary. The national outrage about these Nazi fucks has been overwhelmingly larger than whatever 'positive' exposure they got. And like many bullies after getting punched in the nose they start to cry and show how cowardly they are. Just look at that loser from the VICE video for example, guy went from openly bragging about being ready to kill to literally crying on the internet about his life now being ruined. The Nazis need to be physically confronted everywhere everytime. If they are allowed to just control the streets they control the narrative.
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It's the Donald Trump effect. If the media thinks getting crazy Nazis to talk about poo poo or show crazy Nazis gets good ratings that is what they'll do and it'll make everything worse.
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The extreme quickness with which the confederate statues are going down speaks volumes about how weakly the statues' supporters actually cared about the "southern heritage" values they extolled
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Chilichimp posted:holy poo poo, he hasn't gone to Camp David loving once and never intended to go. It's definitely weird. Why does he need to announce a meeting with Pence? Can't he just like have Pence stop by his office? Maybe we're reaching 25th amendment setup territory here.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Oh, depending on how you define "support", you could argue that literally every Trump voter was at best a fellow traveler with this stuff; it's not like Trump has suddenly done some kind of pivot, he's always been exactly this bad. And you can get roughly 20% of the country to agree to almost anything in a poll. But there were, from what I've read, only about 100 people in the tiki torch march, and the summaries I've seen say there were about 500 nazis and about 1000 counterprotestors at the rally the next day. Also, I'm sure that they would have been even more outnumbered if more people knew about it. In my experiences these kinds of rallies don't get any coverage until the day of, if we start hearing about them ahead of time I'm sure a lot more counterprotesters will show up.
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DreamShipWrecked posted:As others have said, the media exposure is their biggest boon and biggest enemy. On one hand, yes, it's a soft recruitment drive. On the other hand, it's showing that yes, when we were calling the facists "Nazis" was not hyperbole and we are not unnecessarily attacking them. Right, so I think the appropriate synthesis is that we need to be aware of *how* things are covered, of when we are raising awareness vs when we are just gawping at the spectacle, and also we should try and focus on the messages the resistance are trying to put out than on messages the Nazis themselves are manufacturing, even if we fight the latter ridiculous and hateful. We need to expose them, and especially expose the more 'respectable' faces that side with them, and we need to steer clear of anything that might glorify them.
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