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WampaLord posted:Should we have not fought WW2 because all violence is bad? What about rebelling from the British? Should we have let the South secede? Where does this "all violence is bad" line of thinking take you? lol are you kidding
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Byolante posted:Discouraging open and free violence in the streets is now a sign of being a nazi sympathiser. The situation we are in now is exactly what the nazis were hoping for because for the average person in the street its two packs of violent thugs attacking each other and anybody else who gets in the way. Fox news is running footage of some masked antifa attacking some stupid old lady with a flag and dragging her along the ground for 20 odd meters. She was probably there to shout about how minorities are a problem and should be shot or deported but you don't see that in the clip. Its normalising violence so that when Trump says both sides are at fault a lot of people think yeah black block and nazis were fighting each other and innocent bystanders got caught in the crossfire. Look at this concern trolling bullshit
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GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:lol are you kidding Check out his buddy in idiocy taintrunner, they honestly think punching some sad old idiot with a bike lock is analogous to the Warsaw uprising.
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Byolante posted:Check out his buddy in idiocy taintrunner, they honestly think punching some sad old idiot with a bike lock is analogous to the Warsaw uprising. It's not just the self righteousness of it, it's also that every one of those actions he listed were made by an elected government.
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GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:It's not just the self righteousness of it, it's also that every one of those actions he listed were made by an elected government. The American Revolution was done by an elected government? News to me, I thought we formed the government after it ended.
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GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:It's not just the self righteousness of it, it's also that every one of those actions he listed were made by an elected government. Yeah let's wait for the Trump admin to save us from the nazis
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WampaLord posted:The American Revolution was done by an elected government? News to me, I thought we formed the government after it ended. The continental congress wasn't just a bunch of random dudes who decided to show up from whatever state.
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Crane Fist posted:Yeah let's wait for the Trump admin to save us from the nazis All 100 of them.
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GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:All 100 of them. Its almost like the media hysteria fomented by Hillary's campaign actually made a dying ideology suddenly mainstream again 
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GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:The continental congress wasn't just a bunch of random dudes who decided to show up from whatever state. In realistic terms that's exactly what it was lmao. The real administrative bodies of revolutionary America were the revolutionary councils. Byolante posted:Its almost like the media hysteria fomented by Hillary's campaign actually made a dying ideology suddenly mainstream again 
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What revolutionary councils? Who paid the continental army?
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wizard on a water slide posted:in what fictional world were white nationalists and neo-nazis ever not willing to kill people ~ d e c o r u m ~ will save us i keep crying as i slowly shrink into a sheetcake
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Baron Porkface posted:What revolutionary councils? Who paid the continental army? Financing the Continental Army was a collective effort throughout the colonies. The revolutionary soldiers themselves had to pay for it. It wasn't until the war was won and a real government established under the Constitution could start collecting taxes that the Continental Army could be truly paid for. They also stiffed veterans on the pensions they were promised, and a full pension program for veterans wasn't established until 49 years after the Revolutionary War.
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Taintrunner posted:"campus counter demos led to the current climate of violence" yes because opposing fascists cultivates a climate of violence, unlike the actual fascists demonstrating their desires to brutally and violently subjugate everyone that doesn't look like them, no sir, they do not foster a climate of violence, no sir If a froglodyte waves a kek flag in the quad, and nobody is there to punch him, do the neonazis get a martyr? makes u thin k..
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WampaLord posted:Frankly, yes. You're ignoring all of the context of the situation to sit there and go "All violence is bad." go out and punch nazi's then. go on. no one is stopping you. not byolante, not I. Go on. i'm sure there's some skinhead bar in your area or some other place where undesirables hang out. You have agency, free will. Be that change man. do it. ... There's nothing wrong with being against certain actions. Equating that to being a nazi sympathizer is dishonest and cowardly. You guys seem to think we have some broad influence on the matter when in reality that's not the case. Want to punch nazi's? Go do it. Show us how better you are than everyone here. That's the new fad isn't it?
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FuzzySkinner posted:go out and punch nazi's then. [insert deflecting post here]
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HIJK posted:[insert deflecting post here] whoa slow down with that tone, im tolf this is the chill forum
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FuzzySkinner posted:go out and punch nazi's then. This is a really pathetic post tbqh
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Oh Snapple! posted:This is a really pathetic post tbqh it's not the first time a post just like it has appeared in this thread, I'm starting to sense a pattern here
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Taintrunner posted:it's not the first time a post just like it has appeared in this thread, I'm starting to sense a pattern here That there are a bunch of pathetic losers who jerk off imagining violence against their political opponents, but who are not willing to do it themselves? Yeah, it's a thing.
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passionate dongs posted:whoa slow down with that tone, im tolf this is the chill forum *leslie knope voice* I A,MSUPER CHILL ALL OF THE TIME
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Non Serviam posted:That there are a bunch of pathetic losers who jerk off imagining violence against their political opponents, but who are not willing to do it themselves? Yeah, it's a thing. Defending the hard left's use of defensive violence as a political tactic to stand up against the rising tide of fascism in America = "jerking off by imagining violence against their political opponents," apparently. 
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Taintrunner posted:Defending the hard left's use of defensive violence as a political tactic to stand up against the rising tide of fascism in America = "jerking off by imagining violence against their political opponents," apparently. The first amendment doesn't protect nice speech, it protects all speech. To attack people whose ideas you find disgusting is not OK, and the climate of thinking that vigilantism is the way to go will not help either. Antifas don't only attack "as a response" to violence, they attack as a reponse to an ideology. Hell, antifas are now even attacking the Aclu because they represented the Nazis right to march.
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FuzzySkinner posted:https://www.splcenter.org/20170810/alt-right-campus-what-students-need-know lol people that expressed those opinions in cspam were mocked heavily
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Non Serviam posted:The first amendment doesn't protect nice speech, it protects all speech. oh poo poo really????
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Non Serviam posted:The first amendment doesn't protect nice speech, it protects all speech. oh cool guess i can go into a theater and yell FIRE then??
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Taintrunner posted:it's not the first time a post just like it has appeared in this thread, I'm starting to sense a pattern here Idk I think there's something to the idea that there is fundamentally no difference between saying it's bad to punch nazis, and saying it's good to punch nazis but being unwilling or unmotivated to actually go do so yourself.
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got any sevens posted:oh cool guess i can go into a theater and yell FIRE then?? You should read about the idiotic court decision where that famous line comes from.
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Non Serviam posted:You should read about the idiotic court decision where that famous line comes from. lmao free speech: ITS THE LAW!!! wait hold on this law is dumb!!!!
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Non Serviam posted:The first amendment doesn't protect nice speech, it protects all speech. Authoritarians exist in all ideologies.
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Non Serviam posted:The first amendment doesn't protect nice speech, it protects all speech. announcing your intention to form a white only ethnostate is not speech. It is a declaration of violence and an expression with the sole intent of intimidation. quote:To attack people whose ideas you find disgusting is not OK, and the climate of thinking that vigilantism is the way to go will not help either. Antifas don't only attack "as a response" to violence, they attack as a reponse to an ideology. Racist fascism is not an "idea." It is a racist system of politics that relies on the spinelessness of bootlicking liberals in order to take power and deny the rights of everyone around them. Accusations of "vigilantism" imply we do not live in a climate where white supremacy as a structure is the very foundation of our militarized police force. Marginalized communities have no voice to oppose fascist uprisings outside of organized resistance that at times includes defensive violence. quote:Hell, antifas are now even attacking the Aclu because they represented the Nazis right to march. Good. They're Nazis. You can carry water for them all you like, until they take power and piss in your bloodied mouth for thinking they would respect your democratic norms. "But but... the ACLU!!" "But but... Chomsky!!!!" "But the SPLC wrote this thing!!!" Falling back on higher authorities to dictate a climate of inaction against rising fascism is nothing more than liberal bootlicking, and reveals your desire for little more than an authoritarian control over perceived chaos. All the while, a wide coalition of people including the marginalized are rising up and standing up to these Nazis in the streets, even as they run over peaceful activists and murder women, and you seek little more than to finger wag and demand "civility." You don't have to go out and punch Nazis, and not everyone can. There's plenty of ways to support the people that do, whether it be supply donations or financial contributions, etc. However, demanding that people not stand up to a violent fascist uprising is utterly pathetic and deranged.
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Taintrunner posted:"But but... the ACLU!!" You know what? I trust those voices you ripped a hell of a lot more than some dipshit on the forums. Those people have educations, those people have experience, and they know what they're talking about. To say you're BETTER than them is the epitome of arrogance.
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why do people have to take politics so seriously? all i wanted was to be left alone and play my video games
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Non Serviam posted:The first amendment doesn't protect nice speech, it protects all speech. Hmm yes I assume that's why we have obscenity, incitement, and true threat limitations on it excellent point. quote:Hell, antifas are now even attacking the Aclu because they represented the Nazis right to march. You realize that the ACLU had people resign over allowing the Nazis to march and they subsequently released a statement saying that they would not protect armed demonstrators' rights to assemble right? I'm not sure if you're being intentionally naive or not but you should probably step back before you dig in deeper.
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passionate dongs posted:lmao No, I'm serious, learn the background of that whole decision. It was a shameful moment for the court. They actually silenced a bunch of pacifist Yiddish anti war activists.
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FuzzySkinner posted:You know what? I trust those voices you ripped a hell of a lot more than some dipshit on the forums. Those people have educations, those people have experience, and they know what they're talking about. So you insist on submitting to a higher authority, I get it. You'll do fine under a fascist regime, why don't you just say that? It would save us a lot of time trying to convince people who admit they cannot conceive of the collective agency of the marginalized outside the approval of established institutions.
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FuzzySkinner posted:You know what? I trust those voices you ripped a hell of a lot more than some dipshit on the forums. Those people have educations, those people have experience, and they know what they're talking about. I have experience of punching and being punched by nazis so you better start listening to me
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