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Related to Lovecraft and people's criticisms on him, I think it's terribly important to separate the artist from his work. Because ultimately, everyone is terrible.
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Das Boo posted:Related to Lovecraft and people's criticisms on him, I think it's terribly important to separate the artist from his work. Because ultimately, everyone is terrible. I'm pretty nice. (I don't even wear a hat.) e: I mean I'm not nice but oh
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Aug 19, 2017 18:32
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Das Boo posted:Related to Lovecraft and people's criticisms on him, I think it's terribly important to separate the artist from his work. Because ultimately, everyone is terrible. Yeah but all the racism is right there in the work
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Aug 19, 2017 18:33
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Henchman of Santa posted:Yeah but all the racism is right there in the work Yeah, if you read that poo poo you kinda have to acknowledge either "oh yes all non-anglo-saxon lily whites are bad" or "holy loving christ, gently caress you"
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Aug 19, 2017 18:35
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I always thought Lovecraft's works are a bit poo poo. (I'm not into any kind of horror anyway, apart from existential horror.)
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Aug 19, 2017 18:38
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Henchman of Santa posted:Yeah but all the racism is right there in the work Yup, and I discard that tone and take away bitching monster concepts and atmosphere. Life is cherry-picking. E: An example: I really admire Alexander Gettler. He was a brilliant chemist and advanced forensic medicine tremendously. He also killed dogs for his experiments. Doesn't discredit his work, though. Das Boo has a new favorite as of 18:50 on Aug 19, 2017 |
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Aug 19, 2017 18:44
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Das Boo posted:Yup, and I discard that tone and take away bitching monster concepts and atmosphere. Life is cherry-picking. That I also agree with. You can take the good parts of Lovecraft and swirlie the poo poo parts like the loving nerd he was. also related There's a lot of people saying things in this Trumpy era, especially in hick rear end west Texas, about how everything was ok until Obama, or Black Lives Matter, or black people in general, "made race an issue again." First of all, things have not been ok, do you have eyes? But more than that, who the gently caress is making things about race? I've seen most of this country at least a little bit, I've seen black towns, I've seen white towns, segregation, harmony, everything. I've talked to a lot of strangers. Everywhere I've gone, but especially in, you know, THOSE states, if you're black in an area that's "white", people treat you differently. This can range from strange looks to outright violence. If I myself, a super white person, go to somewhere that's "black", I've never been treated as anything but a fellow loving human being. So who the gently caress is making things about race? Cuz to me it seems like it's white people.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:But more than that, who the gently caress is making things about race? I've seen most of this country at least a little bit, I've seen black towns, I've seen white towns, segregation, harmony, everything. I've talked to a lot of strangers. Everywhere I've gone, but especially in, you know, THOSE states, if you're black in an area that's "white", people treat you differently. This can range from strange looks to outright violence. If I myself, a super white person, go to somewhere that's "black", I've never been treated as anything but a fellow loving human being. One of the only times I found myself in a vulnerable situation in a predominantly black neighborhood (I got blackout drunk and just started walking), the only hostility I faced was from the police. The people I ran into before then just tried to help but I was drunk and also an idiot so I ran away. The police grilled me for like half an hour asking me if I was there to buy drugs or hookers because that's the only reason a white person would be there at 3 in the morning according to them. I was only able to convince them by showing them my completely empty wallet and letting them search my pockets. but yeah, if you're white and are scared for your safety in general just because you are in the poor area you're way too sheltered and should try and actually talk to the people you're so scared of.
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Aug 19, 2017 19:15
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Strom Cuzewon posted:The opening of Call of Cthulhu is pretty boss, and as pure Lovecraft as you get: Das Boo posted:I think it's terribly important to separate the artist from his work yeah I eat rear end posted:but yeah, if you're white and are scared for your safety in general just because you are in the poor area you're way too sheltered and should try and actually talk to the people you're so scared of.
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Aug 19, 2017 19:24
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yeah I eat rear end posted:One of the only times I found myself in a vulnerable situation in a predominantly black neighborhood (I got blackout drunk and just started walking), the only hostility I faced was from the police. The people I ran into before then just tried to help but I was drunk and also an idiot so I ran away. The police grilled me for like half an hour asking me if I was there to buy drugs or hookers because that's the only reason a white person would be there at 3 in the morning according to them. I was only able to convince them by showing them my completely empty wallet and letting them search my pockets. How do you know what happened if you were blacked out?
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Aug 19, 2017 19:39
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doverhog posted:How do you know what happened if you were blacked out? The blackout part was between leaving the bar and realizing I was wandering around in the street. It's also possible to have brief moments of clarity during a blackout. Also when I called the police the next morning to ask where my keys were they told me what happened which filled in all the gaps.
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doverhog posted:How do you know what happened if you were blacked out? Because people yell what happened to you
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yeah I eat rear end posted:The blackout part was between leaving the bar and realizing I was wandering around in the street. It's also possible to have brief moments of clarity during a blackout. Makes sense. 
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I just watched Endgame, the Alex Jones documentary about the new world order. My unpopular opinion is that jones is correct when he points out what is going on, but misguided, because the things he is pointing out are actually good things. We should want a one world government. The form of that government is up for debate, but if we stopped acting as individuals and instead were all part of the same civilization, we could finally make some progress instead of endlessly fighting each other.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:I just watched Endgame, the Alex Jones documentary about the new world order. My unpopular opinion is that jones is correct when he points out what is going on, but misguided, because the things he is pointing out are actually good things. We should want a one world government. The form of that government is up for debate, but if we stopped acting as individuals and instead were all part of the same civilization, we could finally make some progress instead of endlessly fighting each other. Unironically, we need a world wide Caliphate.
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Aug 20, 2017 19:45
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Guy Goodbody posted:Unironically, we need a world wide Caliphate. Basing it on religion is a mistake, it has to be something every human can relate to and support.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:I just watched Endgame, the Alex Jones documentary about the new world order. My unpopular opinion is that jones is correct when he points out what is going on, but misguided, because the things he is pointing out are actually good things. We should want a one world government. The form of that government is up for debate, but if we stopped acting as individuals and instead were all part of the same civilization, we could finally make some progress instead of endlessly fighting each other. The USA alone is already too big for its government to accomplish anything because it encompasses several mutually exclusive cultures. yeah I eat rear end posted:Basing it on religion is a mistake, it has to be something every human can relate to and support. There is literally nothing that every human supports. Also, most humans are too stupid and self-involved to make decisions on the basis of how good they are for the greater cause.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Basing it on religion is a mistake, it has to be something every human can relate to and support. like the principals and rules laid down by Allah.
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Dross posted:The USA alone is already too big for its government to accomplish anything because it encompasses several mutually exclusive cultures. Each country should be allowed to govern themselves, but be overseen by a world court to resolve any disputes. I want to see a society like the one prescribed by the georgia guidestones.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Each country should be allowed to govern themselves, but be overseen by a world court to resolve any disputes. I want to see a society like the one prescribed by the georgia guidestones. They just gotta follow certain broad rules. For example: keep halal. Another example: no representative art.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Each country should be allowed to govern themselves, but be overseen by a world court to resolve any disputes. I want to see a society like the one prescribed by the georgia guidestones.  ?
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The EU is a start, but it is still extremely flawed. e: also that image is inaccurate. Switzerland isn't in the EU. yeah I eat ass has a new favorite as of 20:07 on Aug 20, 2017 |
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Leaving the EU was a mistake because it's just going to make it easier for the protectionists and socialists to take over.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Leaving the EU was a mistake because it's just going to make it easier for the protectionists and socialists to take over. Just to be clear, if there is to be a one world government I would prefer it not to be a communist one. Communism is the biggest enemy humanity faces - it was true 60 years ago, it's true now.
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The EU is a really good argument that a global government would be bad. The EU has instituted punishing austerity measures and facilitated the transfer of wealth upwards and reductions in equality.
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The EU is only as bad as any one of its member states, since it is still only a gathering of sovereign nations trying to gently caress over the others via bargains - all the other institutions only exist to make this process easier. The reasons why the EU is bad are actually reasons why nation states are bad, and why we need a proper supranational entity that can overcome the conflict inherent in sovereign statehood.
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Guy Goodbody posted:The EU is a really good argument that a global government would be bad. The EU has instituted punishing austerity measures and facilitated the transfer of wealth upwards and reductions in equality. Their version doesn't work, I agree. They just haven't taken it far enough and are still concerned about petty political bickering. There needs to be one ultimate authority everyone answers to, while governing their own countries in service to the world government.
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"This form of government is bad because they didn't take it far enough," seems legit.
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Dross posted:The USA alone is already too big for its government to accomplish anything because it encompasses several mutually exclusive cultures. I think about this a lot. Like even if everyone thought very similarly it seems like there's a limit on how much people can be governed effectively within one system. And that's the biggest if possible.
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I don't remember whether I've posted this or not: Ishtar is not a bad movie at all. I watched it and thought it was really funny in some places. I don't understand how backstage drama has morphed into 'Ishtar is the only movie available in hell's movie rental store'.
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You don't have a one world government that bothers with laws on bicycle helmets or parking. The world government just has the power to stop Duterte killing suspected drug dealers indiscriminately.
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I think the best form of government would be built from the bottom up. Like, break the country (or world) down into groups small enough that everyone can get together and talk. Each of those groups meets and picks a representative. Then the representatives for those groups meet up in their own groups to choose representatives for the next level. Do this for as many layers as necessary to get to the top-level government. Then any person can bring their own concerns to their local representative (whom they know personally) to be passed up the chain.
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Aug 21, 2017 04:48
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Congratulations, you've just invented representative democracy. 
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yeah I eat rear end posted:The EU is a start, but it is still extremely flawed. Much unlike norway
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doverhog posted:Congratulations, you've just invented representative democracy. I'm aware that what I described is a variation on representative democracy. But it's significantly different to the form it currently takes anywhere I'm aware of.
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Tiggum posted:I'm aware that what I described is a variation on representative democracy. But it's significantly different to the form it currently takes anywhere I'm aware of. I worry we'd just end up with a world where 2-3 out of 5 people are Small tribes have worked for humanity, but I don't see it integrating well with the concept of a single world government. It's hard not to fight for what would benefit your immediate group over what's best for the species as a whole. e: Actually, you didn't say anything about one government, did you? I guess I may have conflated some posts there. burial has a new favorite as of 08:06 on Aug 21, 2017 |
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Tiggum posted:I'm aware that what I described is a variation on representative democracy. But it's significantly different to the form it currently takes anywhere I'm aware of. Have you ever read Deliberation Day by Bruce Ackerman and James Fishkin?
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Wheat Loaf posted:Have you ever read Deliberation Day by Bruce Ackerman and James Fishkin? Nope.
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Tiggum posted:Nope. You can read it here. It's not what you described but I thought of it when I read your post.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Yeah but all the racism is right there in the work The Horror at Red Hook is particularly bad IIRC. I try my best to sort of phase it out as a historical thing with a "they were really racist back then" attitude.
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