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Did you guys ever imagine an ending that wasn't a Pyrrhic victory? The big explosion seems fine to me, I don't know.
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Aug 22, 2017 10:33
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They're fake. They contradict themselves about Howland Reed being killed then being alive, Jaime's motivations, pretty crucially that Daenerys can't get pregnant, and the biggest for me is that they don't even mention the Night King's death or who kills him and how, arguably the most important detail if we're going by the amount of effort put into building him as a villain. It's essentially "The Night King died on the way back to his home planet."
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Aug 22, 2017 10:48
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Yeah i hope your right, and i kinda suspect they are fake. For me though this season has really underlined how tricky it will be for GRRM to realistically finish the books, the teleporting, plot armour, forced reunions all show that wrapping this up is gonna be a bitch, and im more pessimistic than ever that the books will ever be finished. Didnt he say that he wants his notes burnt if he dies, which if that is true is the biggest oval office move someone in that position could make.
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Aug 22, 2017 10:52
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Chickenwalker posted:They're fake. They contradict themselves about Howland Reed being killed then being alive, Jaime's motivations, pretty crucially that Daenerys can't get pregnant, and the biggest for me is that they don't even mention the Night King's death or who kills him and how, arguably the most important detail if we're going by the amount of effort put into building him as a villain. It's essentially "The Night King died on the way back to his home planet." Supposedly, they are a retelling(from memory?) by someone who has read the scripts. It's not really surprising that they are not perfect. Also, the pregnancy is coming 100%, it's being foreshadowed so loving hard it hurts. They have not writing this weird, out-of-place Tyrion scene talking about heirs for nothing.  hitchensgoespop posted:If they are true ( and i kinda think/hope that they arent) then it will prove 2 things, one wrapping up the ever expanding story is tougher than you think and maybe thats why GRRM hasnt finished yet, because its impossible to do so convincingly and secondly, D&D really started to show their colours when they had less and less of GRRMS source material to go off The problem with this explanation is that people in this thread are coming up with better resolutions to all these "writing problems" on the fly, on tiny phone screens, as we sit on our toilets, in our buses or our work meetings. Even the laziest and dumbest of writers should have been able to come up with a "Danny/Melisandre sees a vision of the battle with the NK in her dreams or flames and sends herself/Danny up north". It's lazy and cliché, but at least it makes loving sense and works. The Gendry running to Eastwatch plot has absolutely zero excuse of existing, it doesn't add anything to this show.
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Aug 22, 2017 11:07
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In that case i kinda doubt that someone could re tell a whole seasons worth of scripts in that much detail from memory. My suspicion is that theres some truth in them but its a few people removed from the original source and its broad strokes fleshed out with gaps filled in.
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Aug 22, 2017 11:19
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If they don't have an explanation for why the Others are doing what they are doing, it will be annoying but unsurprising. Which means we will never get a resolution, such a subversion of blah blah. Fat man will die, Brandon Sanderson will finish it, Space Jesus will save the day with peace and polygamy. It is known.
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Aug 22, 2017 11:21
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I also think that what actually brings down the wall is Tormund and Brienne finally getting it on in eastwatch.
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Aug 22, 2017 11:27
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Those spoilers are so loving terrible and show no thematic consistency at all, it's just "a bunch of poo poo happens", so perfect for this show I guess.
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Aug 22, 2017 11:39
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Chickenwalker posted:They're fake. They contradict themselves about Howland Reed being killed then being alive, Jaime's motivations, pretty crucially that Daenerys can't get pregnant, and the biggest for me is that they don't even mention the Night King's death or who kills him and how, arguably the most important detail if we're going by the amount of effort put into building him as a villain. It's essentially "The Night King died on the way back to his home planet." To be fair that contradiction makes them seem more real since the "true" spoilers had that a bit. It's likely deliberate, because surely if you'd written fan fiction and posted it as spoilers you'd remember what you'd said? The whole show is fan fiction at this point though, who loving cares. Empire rolls up and gives this episode 5/5 for some reason.
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Aug 22, 2017 11:55
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I wonder if the dreadful scores E6 got even in mainstream reviews had to do with reviewers having a week to digest it and mull over it instead of having to blast their poo poo out inside of minutes after broadcast.
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Aug 22, 2017 12:01
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Yeah I don't think that minor inconsistencies and a big missing scene are proof that these are fake either way but I'm not gonna convince anyone so whatever. We'll start getting confirmations or contradictions in the next few months. Not that I'm averse to sperging about fan fiction either way.
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Aug 22, 2017 12:02
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I'll go with my feeling: last season spoliers felt real, these ones feel like a not so good prank
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Aug 22, 2017 12:14
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Collateral posted:Fat man will die, Brandon Sanderson will finish it, Space Jesus will save the day with peace and polygamy. It is known. excited for every character to come with 30 pages of spell lists and combo instruction manuals instead of 30 pages of geneology
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Aug 22, 2017 12:52
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Decius posted:I wonder if the dreadful scores E6 got even in mainstream reviews had to do with reviewers having a week to digest it and mull over it instead of having to blast their poo poo out inside of minutes after broadcast. This week at least even the Guardian has said "It's really rushed".
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Aug 22, 2017 13:04
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Are you serious? We got not-LenaHeady walking naked through King's Landing and being bombarded with poo poo only one or two seasons ago. She's the villain you loving idiot.
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Aug 22, 2017 13:14
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Pedro De Heredia posted:She's the villain you loving idiot. Arguably so is Dany nowadays. By deeds if not by story intention.
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Aug 22, 2017 13:15
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So does the Wight dragon still breath fire? Wouldn't that kill it? Some article said it breathes "cold", but then how does it melt the wall?
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Aug 22, 2017 13:18
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When a cold thing meets a colder thing they cancel each other out.
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Aug 22, 2017 13:20
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Decius posted:Arguably so is Dany nowadays. By deeds if not by story intention. It's not even arguable. Dany is clearly the villain. She's the one doing an invasion of a place she knows nothing about killing thousands just so she can be queen. She's the one burning POWs alive. Not even the Freys killed prisoners. Maybe someone can argue that there's two villains or everyone is poo poo but Dany is definitely as bad as anyone on the show now.
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Aug 22, 2017 13:21
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hitchensgoespop posted:If they are true ( and i kinda think/hope that they arent) then it will prove 2 things, one wrapping up the ever expanding story is tougher than you think and maybe thats why GRRM hasnt finished yet, because its impossible to do so convincingly and secondly, D&D really started to show their colours when they had less and less of GRRMS source material to go off It's really not that difficult to wrap this up at the stage of the story they're in. This is a story with a big supernatural villain and a big supernatural army, practically every main character is on the same side now, and the few human villains remaining are banded together. The obvious thing to do, and which they absolutely will do, is end it with a big battle against the Night King where many/most of the main characters die. Whether that's executed well is another story. But there's really no difficulty in figuring out how to end this, at this point. Having it end with the main characters dying fighting Euron in order to take the Iron Throne is not bad writing. It would actually take real effort to consciously steer the direction of the story away from where its obviously going, to some other place, just because. Pedro De Heredia fucked around with this message at 13:30 on Aug 22, 2017 |
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Aug 22, 2017 13:27
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Decius posted:Arguably so is Dany nowadays. By deeds if not by story intention. Intention is all that matters here if what we're trying to figure out is whether spoilers are true or not. It's clear that the people making the show think Daenerys is not only a hero, but 'cool' and 'awesome'. Like someone else said, how do these plot points sound believable to anyone who saw the 'generic fantasy' that was last episode? Pedro De Heredia fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Aug 22, 2017 |
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Aug 22, 2017 13:29
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Euron taking over the iron throne actually makes sense. the reason being that Aryas 4 loving years of training has to have a payoff bigger than killing Freys no one cares about. so the only other person she can kill is cersei , and doing that would effectively end the whole human vs human war unless she's replaced by someone as bad or worse. and that leaves euron and qyburn. I don't think there's even another named character on her side once Jamie and bronn leave
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Aug 22, 2017 13:34
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mastershakeman posted:Euron taking over the iron throne actually makes sense. the reason being that Aryas 4 loving years of training has to have a payoff bigger than killing Freys no one cares about. You just have Euron die before Cersei. Obviously killing Cersei ends the human-vs-human war, that's the point. The show is ending. The war has to end. Preferably before they fight the monsters they've been building up for 7 years. Pedro De Heredia fucked around with this message at 13:43 on Aug 22, 2017 |
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Aug 22, 2017 13:35
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Tormund kills Jaime in a jealous rage after he hears about Jaime and Brienne. Arya wears Jaime's face, fulfilling the volonqar prophesy. Alternatively, Cersei dies during her miscarriage, leaving a very lame excuse for a volonqar as Jaime is the one who knocked her up.
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Aug 22, 2017 13:40
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See, the fLeaks actually made sense to me because the Euron bits felt like a big epilogue, the War for the Dawn was won, Arya took her revenge, the hound found his peace, etc etc, now you just have one final bad guy to take out and 60% of the episode is dedicated to farewells and junk. A classic video game setup. Euron is not the big bad, he's just kind of there, like Saruman at the end of RoTK.
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Aug 22, 2017 13:42
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FogHelmut posted:Tormund kills Jaime in a jealous rage after he hears about Jaime and Brienne. Arya wears Jaime's face, fulfilling the volonqar prophesy. Also the fetus will look like tyrion. This will be pointed out in a series of scenes starring qyburn.
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Aug 22, 2017 13:45
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Pedro De Heredia posted:She's the villain you loving idiot. The complete and utter lack of self-awareness is so delicious  They would never kill Ned and show his rotting head on a pike, he is the main good guy! They would never kill Rob& Cat, they are the main good guys! They would never kill Oberyn and show his skull getting crushed in all detail, he is one of the main good guys! repeat ad nauseam
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emanresu tnuocca posted:See, the fLeaks actually made sense to me because the Euron bits felt like a big epilogue, the War for the Dawn was won, Arya took her revenge, the hound found his peace, etc etc, now you just have one final bad guy to take out and 60% of the episode is dedicated to farewells and junk. Saruman is not there at the end of LotR films, which are probably a better comparison to GoT than LotR books. Pretty much every single mainstream big budget spectacle that resembles Game of Thrones ends with a big confrontation against a big enemy, not with an 'epilogue' where someone fights a lesser enemy. It does not make sense.
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JBP posted:Gendry is gonna MGTOW and marry his hammer. I think the Hound lost his hammer.
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OTOH GoT has a very specific formula where "poo poo happens at the penultimate episode, gets wrapped up on the finale". So... idk?
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Pedro De Heredia posted:You just have Euron die before Cersei. my point is Arya needs to kill cersei because otherwise 4 god drat years of Aryas plot is for nothing and having the final victory be one assassin involving pretty much no one else isnt epic or cool or whatever else the writers would think
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:The complete and utter lack of self-awareness is so delicious This is an incredibly dumb way of looking at it. Those characters aren't the main good guys. The series plays with your perception and your understanding of who the typical good guys are, and what their typical fates might be, plays with your expectations and then pulls the rug from under you, and it works great with things like Ned, Robb, Cat. It's a great trick. But it's not just a trick, it's careful craft. At the same time as the series is killing off these 'main characters' (who, as it turns out, are not actually the main characters), it's building up the real main characters, who are every bit as untouchable as your average main character in a story. It becomes obvious pretty quickly that Jon and Daenerys have a priviledged position in the narrative (due to location and general role in the overall storyline), they are the main characters and they are not going to die anytime soon. The obvious evidence of this is that when Jon Snow dies, no one really believes he's actually dead, even though the show has killed 'main characters' before. We don't believe he's dead because we understand his position in the story is fundamentally different than Robb's, Ned's, Cat's, etc. There's no trick to pull anymore. Jon and Dany are the main characters; there's only 7 episodes left or so out of 70something. That doesn't mean they're not going to die (I'm fairly confident they both will), but it means that sidelining Daenerys from the action, then killing her off while giving birth, and then having her body flung with poo poo in the last episode of the show is completely different than any of the things you're mentioning.
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all you doubters are going to have egg on your face in two years!!
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mastershakeman posted:all you doubters are going to have egg on your face in two years!! if those spoilers turn up real I swear Ill film myself smashing an egg at my own forehead and post here
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Aug 22, 2017 14:08
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mastershakeman posted:my point is Arya needs to kill cersei because otherwise 4 god drat years of Aryas plot is for nothing Yes, and my point is that Arya killing Cersei has no bearing on whether Euron becomes king or not, because he can just die earlier. That's one of the things that rings most false in the spoilers, that Jamie is just hanging around after Cersei is dead, having some fight and killing Euron by stabbing him in the back. It makes his story be all for nothing too.
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Pedro De Heredia posted:Yes, and my point is that Arya killing Cersei has no bearing on whether Euron becomes king or not, because he can just die earlier. It just means that Jaime chose honor. Not the horse.
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mastershakeman posted:my point is Arya needs to kill cersei because otherwise 4 god drat years of Aryas plot is for nothing Something like half the people on her list have already been killed by other people, wouldn't make much of a difference. Arya is a lovely excuse for an assassin.
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SimonCat posted:I think the Hound lost his hammer. You'd have to be a big oval office to lose another man's hammer.
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