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I think it's legal in some Mexican cities, I'm certain voluntary abortion is in Mexico City up to the 12 week.
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Yeah, it should be added that Brazil has some of the highest (and therefore regressive) consumption taxes in the world, and there is massive regional inequality as well as class inequality. I do think the US is still near the bottom for "developed" countries as far as its politics goes, but Brazil is still a cautionary tale.
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Just lol if you think Família Bolsa is anything more than making sure the middle class aren't harassed too much by literally starving poors as they head to another 10 hour day at their job as a freelancer with zero security.
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bagual posted:Is every single brazilian goon from RS? Goddamn I'm the only Northeastern here.
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What is Brazil's medium of taxation exactly? It can't just be income taxes. It makes sense that South American countries have regressive taxes on paper. Most employees don't have official jobs. Informal trade are still the standard for a big percentage of the population. Earnings go untaxed - you can't really expect people to file income reports and pay taxation on income - so governments in South America tend to focus on taxing at the point of sale to capture taxes on all this income. Which hurts the poor significantly. But it's such a different tax scheme compared to American or European populations where most people's income are taxed by the time they receive it. The ability to tax at point of salary distribution is what makes progressive taxation possible in the first place. Managing a pension system alongside with a welfare system can be challenging when the only income source is going to be a salary tax applicable to less than 50% of the population. I don't know about Brazil but Colombian services are heavily subsidized. It's a scheme that's dependent on the development level of a neighborhood or "Estrato" and effects prices of good from healthcare to electrical, water, and gas service. Colombia also has subsidized private and complimentary health insurance services for individuals. I always assumed Brazil had much better welfare and subsidy systems for it's citizens - since Colombia historically is one of the most conservative nations in South America. Am I wrong?
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Plutonis posted:I'm the only Northeastern here. Me too but I'm from a family of candangos, so I'm in brasilia
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JailTrump posted:What is Brazil's medium of taxation exactly? It can't just be income taxes. The data i posted isn't taxes on paper, but effective taxes. Because the bulk of Brazilian taxes are consumption taxes, and you don't get to opt out of those. And they are incredibly regressive.
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joepinetree posted:The data i posted isn't taxes on paper, but effective taxes. Because the bulk of Brazilian taxes are consumption taxes, and you don't get to opt out of those. And they are incredibly regressive. Like I said earlier. How do you tax informal markets without consumption taxes?
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JailTrump posted:Like I said earlier. How do you tax informal markets without consumption taxes? It's kinda hard to explain to non Brazilians how absurd Brazil's taxes are and how poorly they are managed and eventually embezzled. joe might have some good examples though.
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Plutonis posted:I'm the only Northeastern here. Didn't realise you were a Brazilian. I would probably be a Lenninist as well in your case.
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JailTrump posted:Like I said earlier. How do you tax informal markets without consumption taxes? That means absolutely nothing in terms of existing magnitude. Someone making less than minimum wage pays half their income in indirect tax. Meanwhile, the effective tax rate for the wealthy is among the lowest on Earth http://www.bbc.com/portuguese/noticias/2014/03/140313_impostos_ricos_ms It's not the difficulty of taxing informal that explains that. joepinetree fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Aug 21, 2017 |
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Aug 21, 2017 11:19
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I would say that Latin America is more conservative than the USA is through almost all forms of measurement.
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JailTrump posted:Like I said earlier. How do you tax informal markets without consumption taxes? It's not like "oh we have to because of informality", it's about a 30-40% tax on consumption, 4% tax on inheritance and literally no taxes on profits and dividends. Also, the brazilian market is not THAT informal anymore, you want a documentation black hole go to Paraguay
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Oh yeah, and the Brazilian government just raised the 2017 deficit target to from 139 to 159 billion Reais after a 154 billion Reais deficit last year due to fact taxes (especially consumption taxes) have taken such a massive hit. Basically, through austerity measures, the government is forcing itself to go broke ala the Eurocrisis. The problem, ironically enough, is that Brazil is pursuing a hard Real policy which is only helping to price out its exports. Brazil isn't going to run out of money in the short-term but I could see both public debt only going higher followed by additional austerity measures since Brazilia really isn't doing anything to stimulate the economy (besides trimming interest rates to 9.25%.) I guess the question is how bad can Brazilians accept. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Aug 21, 2017 |
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If the baby-eating commies from PT aren't involved, Brazilians won't fret
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:I would say that Latin America is more conservative than the USA is through almost all forms of measurement. The USA spent a lot of money and guns to make it that way, after all.
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Brazil huehuehuehuehueahuehaueahu
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Ta tranquilo ta favoravel
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Vai toma vai toma seu gostosa
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Ardennes posted:I guess the question is how bad can Brazilians accept. Well, that's kinda the aim of this whole right-wing oligarchism you got going. Give the poors a slice of the pie just barely enough to survive on so they won't revolt and the rentier class can have the rest. Imho it's precisely for the fabulous historical success of that strategy that the responsibility of challenging the ruling classes must fall on the shoulders of the socialist movement. I'm just wondering where all the trade unions and student movements of Brazil are hiding right now, when the corruption and arrogance of your ruling classes is so blatant and open it hurts my eyes and anus. Or maybe I just haven't heard of it. This thread and the bbc are basically my only sources of news on Brazil so lollontee fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Aug 21, 2017 |
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ArfJason posted:Brazil huehuehuehuehueahuehaueahu hora de fundar o algo horrível nacional eu acho, sinto falta dum bagulho parecido na net brasileira pra merdapostar os dez pila da inscrição vão pra mim ta
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Vai porco selvagem!
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Loling hard at Merdapostar
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bagual posted:hora de fundar o algo horrível nacional eu acho, sinto falta dum bagulho parecido na net brasileira pra merdapostar I appreciate the use of pila as a fellow gaúcho.
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loving gaúchos you should have been northern Uruguayans instead of northern Brazilians.
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Now let me tell you what Uruguayans should be.
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:Now let me tell you what Uruguayans should be. Abortions
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Polidoro posted:loving gaúchos you should have been northern Uruguayans instead of northern Brazilians. I mean I'd have legal weed by now so it'd have probably been for the best.
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Dias posted:I mean I'd have legal weed by now so it'd have probably been for the best. it must be pretty strong too since he just called gaúchos northern brazilians anyway, for content  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-7Y1PjBWIg
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Lol I meant southern Brazilians obviously. And Uruguayans should be Uruguayans as our lord and savior Lord Ponsonby intended.
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The constitutional court has dismissed the blocking request on the abortion reform in Chile. This means that there will be legal abortion in 3 cases: threat to the life of the mother, dead fetus, and rape. Step forward is a step forward
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Polidoro posted:Lol I meant southern Brazilians obviously. And Uruguayans should be Uruguayans as our lord and savior Lord Ponsonby intended. I am BOTH 
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Just split off from Brazil the Confederação do Equador, International Mandate of the Amazon and República da Farroupilha, the rest can be Brazil. Much easier to exploit by foreign markets.
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:The constitutional court has dismissed the blocking request on the abortion reform in Chile. This means that there will be legal abortion in 3 cases: threat to the life of the mother, dead fetus, and rape. thats a good step forward im honestly shocked
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Now to return Bolivia their port and rebuild the supercomputer that Allende was planning and Chile will once again be in the right track.
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Plutonis posted:Now to return Bolivia their port and rebuild the supercomputer that Allende was planning and Chile will once again be in the right track. That coast is legally ours, Bolivia can suck it. Agreed on Cybersyn, though it was not a supercomputer.
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Plutonis posted:Now to return Bolivia their port and rebuild the supercomputer that Allende was planning and Chile will once again be in the right track. Bolivia can go gently caress themselves if they imagine Chile is giving up its territory just to appease their failing little nation.
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Let's just get on with global warming and solve the Chilean problem once and for all
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https://twitter.com/MichelTemer/status/909943694589091840 this picture will forever haunt me
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