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Aesop Poprock posted:Not counting SMG (I'm assuming)there can't possibly be anyone who defends Sucker Punch can there You are forgetting about all the posters who imitate him, and do in-depth analysis about how a children's film is actually about communism. (Every film is actually about communism according to CineD.)
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Sucker Punch has enough good parts to be savable with some heavy edits and a bit if additional dialog. It'd still be a crap tier movie of course, but it could be a beloved one rather than a reviled one.
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Angry Salami posted:Wasn't Sucker Punch the film where SMG posted his usual pages and pages of ramblings and theory before admitting he hadn't actually seen it? I thought that was every movie ever.
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Aesop Poprock posted:Not counting SMG (I'm assuming)there can't possibly be anyone who defends Sucker Punch can there Go to CD and try to criticize Sucker Punch, and see what happens.
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I don't know how they made a movie about hot chicks fighting nazis and samurai and zombies so loving boring
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I don't think that Gaiman's ever written anything better than Sandman. Sad, really. That's an insanely high bar to pass though. Even something that's half as good as Sandman should be regarded as a classic.
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A CRUNK BIRD posted:Boy there are a lot of poo poo opinions about Alan Moore in this thread. Neil Gaiman is better? The Watchmen movie was better than the book? What the gently caress is wrong with you people Ellie Crabcakes has a new favorite as of 17:00 on Aug 22, 2017 |
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Aesop Poprock posted:What's weird is that my brain somehow combined this episode with some live action show I can't remember the name of where a kid with AIDs is on the swimteam of a highschool (i think) and he cracked his head open in the pool and everyone panics and flees and all the parents are angry and reacting like the kid's a monster etc. Does anyone know what the hell show I'm talking about? Cause for a while I thought captain planet had an aids kid bleeding in a pool and I was trying to remember how they got around the censors for that. I also remember thinking "I'd probably get the gently caress out of a pool a kid was bleeding heavily in regardless cause gross" This feels painfully familiar, but I'm thinking it was more likely an After-School Special (who else remembers those?) or a Lifetime movie.
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I wish people would just make up their minds about whether their response to being threatened by people discussing movies in CD is to either not care at all or to obsessively (mis)remember every single discussion that has ever happened there ever. Doing the GBS thing of spending years cataloguing your grievances in humorless anger from afar to show how little you care isn't interesting or funny in any way.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:You are forgetting about all the posters who imitate him, and do in-depth analysis about how a children's film is actually about communism. (Every film is actually about communism according to CineD.) We should all be concerned if the films made for our children are preaching communist values.
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Davros1 posted:Go to CD and try to criticize Sucker Punch, and see what happens. I have a lot of free time but not nearly enough to post earnestly in CD
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Guy Mann posted:I wish people would just make up their minds about whether their response to being threatened by people discussing movies in CD is to either not care at all or to obsessively (mis)remember every single discussion that has ever happened there ever. Doing the GBS thing of spending years cataloguing your grievances in humorless anger from afar to show how little you care isn't interesting or funny in any way. Found the butthurt CD poster.
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On the other side of things, an episode that I really appreciated was the Christmas episode of Rocko's Modern Life in Season 2 (been watching through the old episodes recently so it's fresh in my mind) - it sets up the plot with Rocko holding a small get-together with his friends, but from Heifer's family onwards it triggers a massive chain invite, making the plot look like one of the most annoying party cliches - "The party goes out of control and trashes the house" - happily they avoid this cliche, by having Rocko notice a lot of people are calling him saying that they are looking forward to the party, and so he has plenty of advance warning to go and get supplies, setting up a really good party that can host the whole town. The plot goes in a completely different direction as Ed Bighead sabotages the party by spreading a nasty rumour, which was much more interesting.
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There's a very early Malcolm in the Middle episode where he gets a head injury that needed an ER and stitches. Without insurance they were billed $400
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John Big Booty posted:Well, Alan Moore has some pretty poo poo opinions about Alan Moore so it evens out. The movie's mostly poo poo, but the Evil Plan is better. The whole point of the Evil Plan is that it is a totally out of nowhere streak of "what the gently caress" that nobody could conceivably ever see coming [kinda like cutting the Gordian Knot, eh? eh?] and makes humanity realise that their squabbles are petty in the grand scheme of things. Changing it to hinge on an integral part of the world's current nuclear deadlock is fuckin' dumb city and misses the point.
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Aesop Poprock posted:What's weird is that my brain somehow combined this episode with some live action show I can't remember the name of where a kid with AIDs is on the swimteam of a highschool (i think) and he cracked his head open in the pool and everyone panics and flees and all the parents are angry and reacting like the kid's a monster etc. Does anyone know what the hell show I'm talking about? Cause for a while I thought captain planet had an aids kid bleeding in a pool and I was trying to remember how they got around the censors for that. I also remember thinking "I'd probably get the gently caress out of a pool a kid was bleeding heavily in regardless cause gross" I can't think of a TV series that did this, but "Jessie's Song" aired about two years after Greg Louganis, an HIV-positive diver, hit his head on the board at the 1988 Olympics and his blood got into the pool; there was a lot of furor because he hadn't disclosed his HIV status. Interestingly, in 1997, Mario Lopez - who played Slater on Saved By The Bell - played Louganis in a TV movie about the incident.
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Disgusting Coward posted:The whole point of the Evil Plan is that it is a totally out of nowhere streak of "what the gently caress" that nobody could conceivably ever see coming [kinda like cutting the Gordian Knot, eh? eh?] and makes humanity realise that their squabbles are petty in the grand scheme of things. Changing it to hinge on an integral part of the world's current nuclear deadlock is fuckin' dumb city and misses the point. Exactly. The movie version of the Evil Plan would only exacerbate the global conflict and make people fight each other more, being the exact opposite of the goal at hand. Aesop Poprock posted:I have a lot of free time but not nearly enough to post earnestly in CD Same, and I have a degree in film.
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Aesop Poprock posted:What's weird is that my brain somehow combined this episode with some live action show I can't remember the name of where a kid with AIDs is on the swimteam of a highschool (i think) and he cracked his head open in the pool and everyone panics and flees and all the parents are angry and reacting like the kid's a monster etc. Does anyone know what the hell show I'm talking about?
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Alhazred posted:That's an insanely high bar to pass though. Even something that's half as good as Sandman should be regarded as a classic. Yeah, Gaiman's really really hit or miss but that was one hell of a loving hit.
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Disgusting Coward posted:The whole point of the Evil Plan is that it is a totally out of nowhere streak of "what the gently caress" that nobody could conceivably ever see coming [kinda like cutting the Gordian Knot, eh? eh?] and makes humanity realise that their squabbles are petty in the grand scheme of things. Changing it to hinge on an integral part of the world's current nuclear deadlock is fuckin' dumb city and misses the point. I mean, if nothing else, it's the least dumb change made to the story.
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The comic ending also has the problem that after establishing a world where none of the characters have superpowers except Dr. Manhattan, it then decides "Oh, yeah, psychics are real too."
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John Big Booty posted:On the other hand, they know exactly what he can do and that he's no longer willing to do it just for one side. The west has lost their tactical advantage and now has a very compelling reason to clean up the mess they've made. The crotchtapus is a total cipher. What were its intentions? Did it have any? Did it even mean to come here anyway? Should we really be worried about vagina monsters with very imprecise teleportation techniques who immediately explode when they try to invade? Uh most of these questions are not something anyone would ask. You are reaching quite a bit here.
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We live in a world where people spent eight years asking whether a dude born in Hawaii was actually a Kenyan Muslim building FEMA death camps. I imagine the science community would be asking way more questions than that.
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John Big Booty, how well do you feel Buckaroo Banzai has aged?
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Scholtz posted:John Big Booty, how well do you feel Buckaroo Banzai has aged? It's literally unwatchable to anybody who doesn't already have nostalgia for it.
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Oh yeah that AIDS episode was a winner in junior school. Watching back it's fascinating. Curiously Neil Patrick Harris plays the kid well before he came out. The lead character is established to be straight so it's trying to address the impression at the time that it is a gay only disease. The episode notes the kid possibly gets it from a blood transfusion, but it's left vauge as the doc points out drug needle use and unprotected sex as probable cause. It's stuff the average seven year old isn't going to pick up on, or read into pretty poorly. Granted this tries to reassure people it isn't the black death and you can have contacted with afflicted friends. However HIV/AIDS is left to be this mystery disease with thin coverage on how to avoid it beyond a vauge allusion to protecting yourself by being healthy during the PSA thing at the end of the show. Being a kids show it obviously can't go deeper into the topic beyond saying "ask your parents". Which I'm sure delighted many parents trying to figure out what the hell their kid was watching. Keep in mind this was the early 90s so the AIDS stigma was still massive and the episode reflects that and a few other culture points at the time. Elizabeth Taylor cameos as the mother. Magic Johnson seems to be reflected in the basketball theme. It also takes its cues from the incident of Ryan White, a 12 year old who became ostracized from his school and society from contracting HIV from a transfusion at the height of the epidemic. But you can't ignore the heavy handed HIV panic that floods the episode as the whole town soon hates the kid and his family. It overshadows any of the reassurance the episode might hold. Also in retrospect the episode is pretty grim as despite the kid getting his life back and a potential basketball career it's overshadowed by a potentially fatal outcome. Oh and special mention to the drugs episode. Drugs make people turn into zombies impervious to fire or pain. Leading to an insane escalation where law and order have fled out of fear of drug zombies. A character's cousin, high on drugs, throws himself through a window and bleeds all over the place before dying on screen from an OD. The planeteers then do a closing monologue and to top off the insanity, their "power is yours" thing with his dead body by their feet. Pretty metal for a kids show.
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The ending of Watchmen is very similar to the Outer Limits episode "The Architects of Fear" (though I think Moore said it was a coincidence)- there, a bunch of people work to try to force world piece by faking an alien invasion, which involves turning one of their own into an alien monstrosity, but it all goes awry.
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Scholtz posted:John Big Booty, how well do you feel Buckaroo Banzai has aged? Guy Mann posted:It's literally unwatchable to anybody who doesn't already have nostalgia for it.
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Sandman's not that loving good. If it had lovely art it would be entirely unmemorable.
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Pick posted:Sandman's not that loving good. If it had lovely art it would be entirely unmemorable. I think you will find that it is actually good. You're welcome
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WebDog posted:Keep in mind this was the early 90s so the AIDS stigma was still massive and the episode reflects that and a few other culture points at the time. Though ostracism was everywhere, that last bit seems to be at least partially inspired by a family's home being burned down in Florida because some of the kids had AIDS through blood transfusions. RC and Moon Pie has a new favorite as of 06:05 on Aug 23, 2017 |
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John Big Booty posted:What this Guy said: A friend made me watch it for the first time a couple of years ago. I didn't really have any nostalgia for it but really enjoy Jeff Goldblum and John Lithgow, so I enjoyed it! I do really, really love incredibly cheesy movies, though, as does my friend. Their other favorite movie is Queen of the Damned, which is also incredibly enjoyable in a terrible way.
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Guy Mann posted:It's literally unwatchable to anybody who doesn't already have nostalgia for it. I tried to watch it like 5 years ago and I do not even know what it is or for.
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Maxwell Lord posted:The ending of Watchmen is very similar to the Outer Limits episode "The Architects of Fear" (though I think Moore said it was a coincidence)- there, a bunch of people work to try to force world piece by faking an alien invasion, which involves turning one of their own into an alien monstrosity, but it all goes awry.
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funmanguy posted:I think you will find that it is actually good. It also had really lovely art at first.
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Maxwell Lord posted:The ending of Watchmen is very similar to the Outer Limits episode "The Architects of Fear" (though I think Moore said it was a coincidence)- there, a bunch of people work to try to force world piece by faking an alien invasion, which involves turning one of their own into an alien monstrosity, but it all goes awry. Actually Moore gives a shoutout in the book itself to this: it's playing on the tv in the epilogue at the original Silk Spectre's house.
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Angry Salami posted:The comic ending also has the problem that after establishing a world where none of the characters have superpowers except Dr. Manhattan, it then decides "Oh, yeah, psychics are real too." I think Moore believes in psychic powers in real life anyway.  Additional: Extract from an actual speech given by the President of the United States in the year the comic came out.
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Last I checked, Moore worships a god that the ancient Romans considered fictional. He may be taking the piss.
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Inescapable Duck posted:Last I checked, Moore worships a god that the ancient Romans considered fictional. He may be taking the piss. "One word balloon in From Hell completely hijacked my life ... A character says something like, 'The one place gods inarguably exist is in the human mind'. After I wrote that, I realised I'd accidentally made a true statement, and now I'd have to rearrange my entire life around it. The only thing that seemed to really be appropriate was to become a magician."
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Pick posted:Sandman's not that loving good. If it had lovely art it would be entirely unmemorable. Sandman exists in this weird place where it's simultaneously badly overhyped and also incredibly good. Its fanbase is mostly populated by Hot Topic kids enthralled because ~OMG so cool and dark~ but there's also a really tightly written classical heroic tragedy buried in there too.
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