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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Kromlech posted:

theoretical utopia could potentially collapse, so we might as well not build it. Far better to remain content with our current dystopia that absolutely IS collapsing right now and also that science is screaming will doom the planet inside a century.

I'm not at all surprised that a Yale professor of capitalist economics would think in this broken way.

Wealth inequalities are inherently unfair because wealth translates directly into power. It IS possible to have a society in which wealth gaps are wiped out, while still retaining some income gaps if that's what people think is fair - but they'll intentionally pretend that there's no difference between wealth and income.

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Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

Weeping Wound posted:

is that the right way to look at it?

This is

Spime Wrangler
Feb 23, 2003

Because we can.

Kromlech posted:

Yep, I'm reminded of this

https://youtu.be/QPKKQnijnsM

Most people still don't even realize just how skewed the wealth distribution is. What they think it is would be worlds better than the situation we've got.



People simply have no lived experience of anything that even approximates the reality of the top of the distribution. The baubles and vacations of the Rich Kids Of Instagram and other such visible displays of wealth are a rounding error in their parent's fortunes.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
as a lucratively employed emoji translator I say we all have a chance to rise to the top🐵🙈🙉🙊

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
raid all offshore bank accounts

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


Darkman Fanpage posted:

raid all offshore bank accounts

this but unironically

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

imperialism, but for panama, cayman islands, and switzerland

Spime Wrangler
Feb 23, 2003

Because we can.

Darkman Fanpage posted:

raid all offshore bank accounts

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Spime Wrangler posted:



People simply have no lived experience of anything that even approximates the reality of the top of the distribution. The baubles and vacations of the Rich Kids Of Instagram and other such visible displays of wealth are a rounding error in their parent's fortunes.

I had an interesting conversation with my petty boug neighbor who runs a high end car detailing business. He had all sorts of disturbing stories about his billionaire clientele. I'll post some later when not on phone.

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

Darkman Fanpage posted:

raid all offshore bank accounts

hell yeah

https://twitter.com/derbychrisw/status/899882388012109824

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

kneel before corbz

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Grand Prize Winner posted:

this but unironically

i wasnt being ironic

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
VIRGIN BRANSON VS CHAD CORBYN

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


Darkman Fanpage posted:

i wasnt being ironic

this but even more unironically

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

happy 77th anniversary tankies!

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

in the cold hellscape of the capitalist future road warriors will find hamprince in front of a gas-powered computer typing "molotov-ribbentrop" as his body wastes away

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!

R. Guyovich posted:

in the cold hellscape of the capitalist future road warriors will find hamprince in front of a gas-powered computer typing "molotov-ribbentrop" as his body wastes away

Speaking of molotov imagine going to war against the Finns as the Soviet Union and losing

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

zegermans posted:

Speaking of molotov imagine going to war against the Finns as the Soviet Union and losing

They won though. The Finns are still mad about Karelia.

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

Fallen Hamprince posted:

happy 77th anniversary tankies!


*shouting into the void* HaHa! Owned Tankies!!

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

R. Guyovich posted:

in the cold hellscape of the capitalist future road warriors will find hamprince in front of a gas-powered computer typing "molotov-ribbentrop" as his body wastes away

"See that factory out there? I ordered hundreds built, but do they call me Stalin the industrializer? No, no. And see that tank over there? I've been building tanks for thirty-five years! But do they call me Stalin the tank-builder? No, no. And see all the tractors in the farms out there? I industrialized the Soviet Union's farms! But do they call me Stalin the agricultural reformer? No, no. *begins weeping* But you make a pact with just one Hitler..."

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

They won though. The Finns are still mad about Karelia.

"won" is a relative term, taking like a small region after losing people 4:1 against a rando nordic country is rather Pyrrhic.

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!
anyway whats this thread about, effortposts and activism? cause the LF effortposts redeemed that forums stupid loving maggotmaster/red ken cult of personality.

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

zegermans posted:

anyway whats this thread about, effortposts and activism? cause the LF effortposts redeemed that forums stupid loving maggotmaster/red ken cult of personality.

it's about whatever you want it to be about. much like our socialist future, where you can do whatever you please

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

RIP bevissimpson

https://twitter.com/bevissimpson/status/324630866963881986?lang=en

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

zegermans posted:

"won" is a relative term, taking like a small region after losing people 4:1 against a rando nordic country is rather Pyrrhic.

look, what you have to understand is that sacrificing thousands upon thousands of lives in a war in pursuit for minor territorial aggrandizement is, in this very specific case, extremely wise and good, as is exterminating most of your officer corps two years before starting said war


under the future socialist, regime dissidents will take up low-effort, menial jobs such as wallscroll focus tester and gunpla polisher to avoid being persecuted for voluntary unemployment

Fallen Hamprince fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Aug 23, 2017

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!

Fallen Hamprince posted:

look, what you have to understand is that sacrificing thousands upon thousands of lives in a war in pursuit for minor territorial aggrandizement is, in this very specific case, extremely wise and good, as is exterminating most of your officer corps two years before starting said war

I've always wondered how much of the "you get rifle you get bullets" trope was reality of soviet incompetence vs. capitalist propaganda to minimize how much of the German army they actually faced in terms of their horrific casualties.

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

zegermans posted:

I've always wondered how much of the "you get rifle you get bullets" trope was reality of soviet incompetence vs. capitalist propaganda to minimize how much of the German army they actually faced in terms of their horrific casualties.

the 'one guy gets a rifle the other gets bullets' thing is a myth, most of the soviet incompetence stemmed from officers making terrible decisions because they were terrified of getting executed for disobedience by a government who's military genius included diverting troops from the front to stand around behind the lines waiting to shoot anyone who retreated without an order

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

oh hell yes a conversation between zegermans and hamprince

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Karl Barks posted:

oh hell yes a conversation between zegermans and hamprince

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe

Karl Barks posted:

oh hell yes a conversation between zegermans and hamprince

lol

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

‘Cause this is what happens when Bad meets Evil
And we hit the trees 'til we look like Vietnamese people
He's Evil, and I'm Bad like Steve Seagal
Above the law ‘cause I don't agree with police either
(poo poo, me neither)

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


the trifecta approaches

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Karl Barks posted:

oh hell yes a conversation between zegermans and hamprince

It's Molotov-Ribbentrop all over again!

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Plutonis posted:

‘Cause this is what happens when Bad meets Evil
And we hit the trees 'til we look like Vietnamese people
He's Evil, and I'm Bad like Steve Seagal
Above the law ‘cause I don't agree with police either
(poo poo, me neither)

it's funny to me that steven seagal was ever considered a serious action hero considering he's been a weird fat weeaboo for as long as i've been old enough to watch his movies

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
When two retarded centrists collide it throws off a lot of negative posts, similar to nuclear decay in real life

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Fallen Hamprince posted:

the 'one guy gets a rifle the other gets bullets' thing is a myth, most of the soviet incompetence stemmed from officers making terrible decisions because they were terrified of getting executed for disobedience by a government who's military genius included diverting troops from the front to stand around behind the lines waiting to shoot anyone who retreated without an order

The Warhammer 40k school of military strategy.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Fallen Hamprince posted:

it's funny to me that steven seagal was ever considered a serious action hero considering he's been a weird fat weeaboo for as long as i've been old enough to watch his movies

gently caress you under seige is good

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!

Karl Barks posted:

oh hell yes a conversation between zegermans and hamprince

hahaha

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Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006
Probation
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Larry Parrish posted:

When two retarded centrists collide it throws off a lot of negative posts, similar to nuclear decay in real life

nuclear decay is totally different from the fission/fusion chain reaction you're describing - though nuclear decay is often times a part of the chain reaction due to femtosecond half-lives of some weird-rear end elements that are produced in nuclear explosions.

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