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Danger posted:"One word balloon in From Hell completely hijacked my life ... A character says something like, 'The one place gods inarguably exist is in the human mind'. After I wrote that, I realised I'd accidentally made a true statement, and now I'd have to rearrange my entire life around it. The only thing that seemed to really be appropriate was to become a magician." He's not wrong though
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Aug 23, 2017 15:46
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Maxwell Lord posted:The ending of Watchmen is very similar to the Outer Limits episode "The Architects of Fear" (though I think Moore said it was a coincidence)- there, a bunch of people work to try to force world piece by faking an alien invasion, which involves turning one of their own into an alien monstrosity, but it all goes awry. Haha "The "bear" in this episode, the monstrously-altered Allen Leighton, was judged by some of ABC's local affiliate stations to be so frightening that they broadcast a black screen during the Thetan's appearances, effectively censoring most of the show's last act. In other parts of the United States, the Thetan footage was tape delayed until after the 11 o'clock evening news. In others, it was not shown at all."  Gah! I wonder if you could show a person from that era a movie with really good CGI, if they'd think dragons are actually real.
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Aug 23, 2017 18:57
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Meanwhile that loving alien in Star Trek kept showing up in the credits.
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Aug 23, 2017 18:59
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zoux posted:Haha I mean, some 15 years ago people thought Final Fantasy Spirit Within's cg was the prelude for actors imminently being replaced by cg abominations
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Aug 23, 2017 19:10
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Calaveron posted:I mean, some 15 years ago people thought Final Fantasy Spirit Within's cg was the prelude for actors imminently being replaced by cg abominations The difference is we're kind of there now, with movies now successfully integrating fully CGI characters. Not human characters though, but ever since Gollum proved the concept, they've done some great things with purely CGI characters. I think it's one reason why genre stuff like fantasy, sci fi and comic movies and TV shows are so hot right now, they don't look that cheesy anymore and you can believably put on screen anything a writer imagines or an artist draws.
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Aug 23, 2017 19:24
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On an episode of friends, Rachel's sister tries to have sex with Ross to get Back at Rachel and Ross spurns her to spare Rachel's feelings. She gets angry and says "you turned me down! How gay are you" and every time I'm just like can we not
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Aug 23, 2017 19:42
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Pick posted:Sandman's not that loving good. If it had lovely art it would be entirely unmemorable. In comic book terms it might as well be the loving Sistine chapel
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Aug 23, 2017 19:48
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Calaveron posted:I mean, some 15 years ago people thought Final Fantasy Spirit Within's cg was the prelude for actors imminently being replaced by cg abominations I've never seen it but I heartell the plan was to have the main character become, like, a digital actress who would appear in different movies. I really oughta watch it, it sounds nuts.
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Aug 23, 2017 19:52
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Mendigo posted:It also had really lovely art at first. Yeah the first "book" or whatever it's just cheesy 80s/early 90s superhero comic art and honesty the plot is awkward and relies too much on other established comic book characters. Kind of like how Spawn was for the first 20 comics or so
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Aug 23, 2017 19:52
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Rough Lobster posted:I've never seen it but I heartell the plan was to have the main character become, like, a digital actress who would appear in different movies. I really oughta watch it, it sounds nuts. Steve Buscemi and James Woods are both in it acting like christmas hams and a bonus feature is the whole cast doing the thriller dance. Its also not the first pioneer of "Digital Actress" which goes to the game series D.
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Aug 23, 2017 20:15
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Spirits Within did have an impact when CGI character "Ben Affleck" somehow became a real boy and is now a major actual person and sought-after director.
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Aug 23, 2017 20:17
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oldpainless posted:On an episode of friends, Rachel's sister tries to have sex with Ross to get More like oldhateless. 
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Aug 23, 2017 20:36
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Maxwell Lord posted:The ending of Watchmen is very similar to the Outer Limits episode "The Architects of Fear" (though I think Moore said it was a coincidence)- there, a bunch of people work to try to force world piece by faking an alien invasion, which involves turning one of their own into an alien monstrosity, but it all goes awry. The dialogue from the final scene of season one of True Detective was lifted verbatim from some comic book, so time really is a flat circle.
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Aug 23, 2017 21:13
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Danger posted:"One word balloon in From Hell completely hijacked my life ... A character says something like, 'The one place gods inarguably exist is in the human mind'. After I wrote that, I realised I'd accidentally made a true statement, and now I'd have to rearrange my entire life around it. The only thing that seemed to really be appropriate was to become a magician." To be fair, his definition of "magician" is kinda complex. As close to a tl;dr version I can summarize is that by their nature of identification, words have pretty great power over the world. Writers are therefore no different than wizards or conjurers of old, using all this power to create things that hadn't existed prior. His other beliefs I've heard him talk about in interviews are a bit murkier, where he starts going into the Collective Unconscious, and how the entirety of existence is meta, whether it likes it or not. His sworn enemy in magickal comic writers, Grant Morrison, goes into that end of things significantly more often in his own works.
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Aug 23, 2017 21:45
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Aug 23, 2017 22:04
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Calaveron posted:I mean, some 15 years ago people thought Final Fantasy Spirit Within's cg was the prelude for actors imminently being replaced by cg abominations like Grum? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXo6JEK5WVE
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Aug 23, 2017 22:44
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zoux posted:Don't even attempt Promethea. Eh, I liked it. Basically just Moore using superhero casing to teach Kabbalah 101
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Aug 23, 2017 22:59
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zoux posted:The difference is we're kind of there now, with movies now successfully integrating fully CGI characters. Not human characters though There's two in Rogue One.
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Aug 23, 2017 23:05
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sassassin posted:There's two in Rogue One. And they're still just barely on that side of the Uncanny Valley
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Aug 23, 2017 23:21
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Choco1980 posted:And they're still just barely on that side of the Uncanny Valley That's because they were a bit to proud of their own work and drew attention to it. Meanwhile literally nobody noticed that Hugh Jackman was entirely CGI at points in The Wolverine.
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Aug 23, 2017 23:35
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Tiggum posted:Watchmen's plot is copied almost exactly from The Sirens of Titan by Kurt Vonnegut. Moore just added super heroes. I read the latter a few years ago, and didn't notice a connection. Could you elaborate?
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Aug 24, 2017 01:48
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Choco1980 posted:To be fair, his definition of "magician" is kinda complex. As close to a tl;dr version I can summarize is that by their nature of identification, words have pretty great power over the world. Writers are therefore no different than wizards or conjurers of old, using all this power to create things that hadn't existed prior. His other beliefs I've heard him talk about in interviews are a bit murkier, where he starts going into the Collective Unconscious, and how the entirety of existence is meta, whether it likes it or not. His sworn enemy in magickal comic writers, Grant Morrison, goes into that end of things significantly more often in his own works. Oh I quoted him in earnest. From Hell is most likely the greatest graphic novel of all time and an absolutely seminal piece of 20th century literature.
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Aug 24, 2017 01:59
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Aug 24, 2017 02:02
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oldpainless posted:On an episode of friends, Rachel's sister tries to have sex with Ross to get This is something that appears far too often in media of the time. Really uncomfortable to go back and watch. Who the way you phrased it makes me wonder, how often do you rewatch all of friends?
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Aug 24, 2017 02:17
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funmanguy posted:This is something that appears far too often in media of the time. Really uncomfortable to go back and watch. Who the way you phrased it makes me wonder, how often do you rewatch all of friends? My ex-girlfriend would run through the entire series and a few weeks later would start over again.
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Aug 24, 2017 02:29
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I read the latter a few years ago, and didn't notice a connection. Could you elaborate? I was exaggerating a bit, but there are some pretty striking similarities. If you combine Adrian Veidt and Dr Manhattan then you basically get Winston Niles Rumfoord, and the whole plot of each leads up to a fake alien invasion engineered by Veidt/Rumfoord to bring about world peace. There's also some similarities between Veidt using Manhattan and manipulating him into exiling himself to Mars and Rumfoord using Malachi Constant and then having him exiled to Titan.
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Aug 24, 2017 04:26
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Tiggum posted:I was exaggerating a bit, but there are some pretty striking similarities. If you combine Adrian Veidt and Dr Manhattan then you basically get Winston Niles Rumfoord, and the whole plot of each leads up to a fake alien invasion engineered by Veidt/Rumfoord to bring about world peace. There's also some similarities between Veidt using Manhattan and manipulating him into exiling himself to Mars and Rumfoord using Malachi Constant and then having him exiled to Titan. But the alien is real, and in fact aliens were the ones manipulating everything to begin with.
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Aug 24, 2017 04:34
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Friends is just the white version of Living Single.
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Aug 24, 2017 04:54
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Absurd Alhazred posted:But the alien is real, and in fact aliens were the ones manipulating everything to begin with. There is a real alien but the invasion is fake.
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Aug 24, 2017 05:55
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Aesop Poprock posted:In comic book terms it might as well be the loving Sistine chapel Well yes for sure.
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Aug 24, 2017 06:03
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Tiggum posted:There is a real alien but the invasion is fake. I'm going to have to reread, seems like.
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Aug 24, 2017 12:31
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No way will I defend anything Moore has done in the last two decades, but "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow" and "For the Man Who Has Everything" are still amazing and possible top ever Superman comics. Kinda like Frank Miller's "Dark Knight Returns" being phenomenal but I don't want to dwell on post 9/11 sending Miller to a weird place.
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Aug 25, 2017 04:50
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A big problem is that until pretty recently, even with big name guys doing independent/personal projects the nature of the comics industry basically requires you to meat grinder every decent idea you have without giving it full time to ferment and develop. It's no coincidence that when you look at most comic writers best works its poo poo that they had kicking around in their brain while they did other projects for years. Otherwise you get poo poo like how Ellis has been trying to tell that "ultraviolent deconstruction of silver age superheroes through the lens of modern pop culture and specifically main characters that have been abused by the government" story for like 15 years and keeps almost getting it right and then immediately trying again. Like Desolation Jones/Authority/Stormwatch/GI Joe Resolute/Black Summer/No Hero all try and each individually get certain things right but never quite get everything he wants to say in them. The only comic writer I know who's had a consistently varied, high quality and consistent level of work over his entire career is Naoki Urasawa.
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Aug 25, 2017 05:24
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I feel that the increased acceptance of poly relationships is going to make a lot of love-triangle-based dramas age poorly. Like, if you two really love that other person and they reciprocate your feelings then maybe just roll with it? Sheesh.
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Aug 26, 2017 23:30
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Kit Walker posted:I feel that the increased acceptance of poly relationships is going to make a lot of love-triangle-based dramas age poorly. Like, if you two really love that other person and they reciprocate your feelings then maybe just roll with it? Sheesh. Yeah, I remember feeling that way about the Bill/Sookie/Eric triangle in True Blood. She even has a dream where they're all making love, and then she breaks up with them because that's just not right.  Caprica had a kind of polyamorous marriage going on, but they ended up being the villains, so I don't know if that really fits the bill.
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Aug 26, 2017 23:50
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Kit Walker posted:I feel that the increased acceptance of poly relationships is going to make a lot of love-triangle-based dramas age poorly. Like, if you two really love that other person and they reciprocate your feelings then maybe just roll with it? Sheesh. Absurd Alhazred posted:Yeah, I remember feeling that way about the Bill/Sookie/Eric triangle in True Blood. She even has a dream where they're all making love, and then she breaks up with them because that's just not right. Or it might change from a 'polyamory is bad because THE JESUS' and turn into a criticism of the whole idea of monogamy and the like. In a way, that's the most interesting part of watching the Baby Boomers' hold on culture slowly start to fade: they've held on for so long that a lot of assumed norms in TV are now being questioned outright so many of them will fade. Especially since there's no longer three to four hands on the TV dial, but hundreds if not thousands that are all looking for eyes and can escape unwelcome attention by sheer numbers alone. Even if some stations go the superstation route and start pandering to the same old 'basic' TV audience, there's still a lot of them out there that exist and offer a platform for other people. Maybe the funniest thing of this thread isn't that some TV episodes will age badly, but eventually all of them simply due to American attitudes in the twentieth century simply dying out and being questioned without the power of the status quo to quash an even-handed discussion of it. And oddly enough, all of those 'progressive' episodes that do take an evenhandedness with then-contemporary controversies will age badly as well. Imagine a world, years from now, where they offer mega-discs in gas stations of old TV programming where the youth laugh at the inability of Will & Grace to deal with homosexuality without any overt signs of affections that are allowed for the heterosexuals. I guess, in some ways, it's funny to realize as time goes on those old '40s filmstrips used for education will be those '90s sitcoms where being gay is shocking and any talk of sex is filtered and obscured through pathetic childish lingo.
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Aug 27, 2017 00:09
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Poly relationships don't work out more than they do. Also makes the person look selfish.
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Aug 27, 2017 00:11
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It's a TV show though. It's not like the characters will break up even though the writers wanted them to stay together.
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Gaunab posted:Poly relationships don't work out more than they do. Also makes the person look selfish. Much like how TCC has done more to scare me off of drug use than any actual anti-drug propaganda, /r/relationships has done more to convince me that poly relationships are terrible than a lifetime living in this heteonormative thought prison we call America. It'll be great for TV drama though.
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