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That's not what that post was saying, we've had this argument hundreds of times, you're just saying old poo poo
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Al Borland Corp. posted:That's dumb. There's a clear character arc for Superman between the two and a clear character arc for Batman within the second. The second film builds a lot on the character and on the world and how it has reacted to him. Having seen both films but not the extended BvS, I honestly have no idea why Superman is a super hero. Granted, the first film was all about him uncovering his origin and where he should fit in the world, but BvS actively set back that arc by tossing a bunch of social obstacles at him. That'd be fine if he ever had a moment of overcoming them. Instead, the climax is him being blackmailed into a fight with a crazy person, fighting yet another remnant from his homeworld, and then dying. None of that actually touches on his inner conflict of "maybe I shouldn't help the world if they fear me so much". I mean, it somehow ingratiates him to the world, but since that change in opinion happens off screen, it comes off as just happening. I suppose Batman is supposed to represent the overall public opinion, but forgive me if i have trouble relating to a murderous billionaire. Anyway, I probably shouldn't have posted this. If anyone wants to continue the discussion without annoying everyone justifiably sick of it, feel free to PM me.
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Wheat Loaf posted:One discussion I remember from earlier this thread was about how it would be fun if they went all in on the "forgotten hero" angle and announced "Sentry 2" or made out that it was the reboot of the original Sentry movie from the 1970s with a big star like Brad Pitt playing the Sentry, and in all the promotion they'd talk about how great and important the original Sentry movie was and how they want to recapture the spirit of the original. Thing about the Sentry is that he worked better when it was just a one off miniseries and once they added him to the regular comics he kind of lost everything that made him special. For a movie version you'd probably have to shrink the timeline down to being around in Phase One of the movies. Like they could retcon the lack of death during the Battle of NY (Avengers 1) to the Sentry running around saving people. Also why after that things started getting darker, because Bob wasn't around.
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I dunno, I think if you did it in the MCU you'd want him to predate Cap, so that it really sinks in how big a deal he was. And you probably wouldn't want to end his arc with Thor putting him down like a mad dog.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Is Suicide Squad still part of the DCEU? unfortunately yes
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If he had a cameo in the Venom movie to tear Carnage apart in space, that might make something from Sony worth seeing.
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howe_sam posted:People pay waaaaaaay too much attention to movies in preproduction. this is true. i do feel like WB has not done themselves any favors, though. the amount of PR around BvS and Suicide Squad's production from beginning to end was drat excessive.
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Oh, the Joker origin movie, Suicide Squad 2, Gotham City Sirens and The Batman weren't enough? Well here's a Joker/Harley movie for some reason http://www.avclub.com/warner-bros-a...SocialMarketing
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Forget Joker/Harley. ...Harley/Ivy please. I just like how domestic they were, out in the toxic waste dump.
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I can see why there would be an audience for a Joker/Harley movie, but I hate that there is. I assume this is what ICP has done to America.
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Aint nothing wrong with a joker/harley movie I hope they fight the Bat Man and that he's the antagonist of their movie
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Maybe the Joker/Harley movie ends with her killing Mr J
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MacheteZombie posted:Maybe the Joker/Harley movie ends with her killing Mr J A major plot should be how Harley keeps killing the Joker and replacing him with a new guy brainwashed to think he's the original Joker.
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The biggest problem with this Joker/Harley movie is that we appear to be losing Gotham City Sirens for it to exist.
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Rhyno posted:A major plot should be how Harley keeps killing the Joker and replacing him with a new guy brainwashed to think he's the original Joker. i dig this idea TFRazorsaw posted:The biggest problem with this Joker/Harley movie is that we appear to be losing Gotham City Sirens for it to exist. eh i'm treating all these announcements as just rumor mill garbage. i'll believe the movies exist when they're released.
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Rhyno posted:A major plot should be how Harley keeps killing the Joker and replacing him with a new guy brainwashed to think he's the original Joker. I don't like this because I am 100% certain that they would do it the other way around
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Aug 24, 2017 20:07
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Matt reeves just tweeted that the Batman is part of the DCEU, and that he meant the movie wouldn't be filled with cameos and plots from the other DCEU movies, if you want some more rumor/spin from DC
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fruit on the bottom posted:I don't like this because I am 100% certain that they would do it the other way around That's the joke, somewhere in the new 52 Joker says he's been doing exactly that and throws Harley in a room with a bunch of skeletons in black and red getups.
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purple death ray posted:That's the joke, somewhere in the new 52 Joker says he's been doing exactly that and throws Harley in a room with a bunch of skeletons in black and red getups. loving hell
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purple death ray posted:That's the joke, somewhere in the new 52 Joker says he's been doing exactly that and throws Harley in a room with a bunch of skeletons in black and red getups. wow that is supremely awful 
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MacheteZombie posted:wow that is supremely awful And a goon was complaining about my characterization of the Joker in the new 52 being a Slasher Killer.
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We don't even have Green Lanterns cast yet but sure let's get three new movies about that
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MacheteZombie posted:wow that is supremely awful That Harley design is so godawful and I hate how the DCEU costume takes cues from it
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Big Mean Jerk posted:That Harley design is so godawful and I hate how the DCEU costume takes cues from it eh I didn't mind her design in SS (they even won an oscar!). Everything about that page is real bad.
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It doesn't seem like DC has much of a loving plan at all to me. Say what you want about Marvel but for the most part their poo poo seems relatively thought out. Affleck was by far everyone's favorite part of BvS and somehow that's getting hosed up and dying on the vine. I know SS did good box office, but was anyone clamoring for more Leto and Robbie along with another entirely unrelated Joker movie, Scorcese or not? At the rate we're going, we're like less than year away from DC doing earth 1, earth 2 and New 52 films because no one can sort out what the gently caress is what. It's gonna be funny seeing Aquaman and Wonder Woman being their biggest success stories from this whole shared universe thing. I'm no fanboy one way or the other and I LIKE DC characters. I just think DC should dedicate their movie division to telling whatever the gently caress stories they want and forget continuity or a shared universe at this point. I know I just partially contradicted myself there, but DC's lack of foresight really seems to have hamstrung them moving forward and they seem to be flailing by trying to forcefully make everything fit together so, rather than trying to build it into something collective in an incoherent way, just say "gently caress it" and go tell fun stories with great characters at this point. It'd probably make the movies better, really, since they've hosed up the set up and the foundation so badly thus far and are flailing at making any sense out of it.
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purple death ray posted:That's the joke, somewhere in the new 52 Joker says he's been doing exactly that and throws Harley in a room with a bunch of skeletons in black and red getups. So was her backstory and real name also brainwashing or is it just Comic Book Coincidence! that this current incarnation of Harley Quinn was named Harleen Quinzel?
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Are you saying it's their fault for Affleck being a complete fuckup who ruined his life?quote:I know SS did good box office, but was anyone clamoring for more Leto and Robbie along with another entirely unrelated Joker movie, Scorcese or not? Yes. Have you been to any store lately?
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Suicide Squad has also won an Oscar, something no Marvel movie has done! 
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I love BvS and MoS and I'd be okay with DC just doing Elseworld's all the time. Then for kicks do JL movies periodically. Right now though, I just want Flash to get made. I like Ezra, the costume, and the way his speed power has been shown so far. Aphrodite posted:Yes. Have you been to any store lately? Haha yeah they're money printing machines for DC/WB.
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BiggerBoat posted:
The costumers really made him look good as Wonder Woman.
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MacheteZombie posted:Matt reeves just tweeted that the Batman is part of the DCEU, and that he meant the movie wouldn't be filled with cameos and plots from the other DCEU movies, if you want some more rumor/spin from DC Yeah I could have told you guys all that, he said after not stepping in this thread for two days...
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Since most of my exposure to fan reactions to superhero movies is via BSS, I feel I must ask, were there people who were mad keen on Joker in Suicide Squad? I thought it was pretty try-hard and I know most folks here were really put off by all the stories about Leto being a prat behind-the-scenes, but does he have any really passionate defenders who think he's the coolest thing ever? Likewise, I realise that loads of people love Harley Quin (I like the character fine but I really don't and probably can't understand the "most popular DC character" level of success she's had in recent years), but do people really love the Harley/Joker relationship? That is, think it's this really wonderful, beautiful romance for the ages?
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Wheat Loaf posted:
Absolutely. Though I would guess/hope they're only casually familiar with them and don't realize how hosed up that is.
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Beachcomber posted:The costumers really made him look good as Wonder Woman. yeah for me it was 1. Wonder Woman 2. Wonder Woman's theme 3. knowledge that eventually I will die
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Wheat Loaf posted:Since most of my exposure to fan reactions to superhero movies is via BSS, I feel I must ask, were there people who were mad keen on Joker in Suicide Squad? I thought it was pretty try-hard and I know most folks here were really put off by all the stories about Leto being a prat behind-the-scenes, but does he have any really passionate defenders who think he's the coolest thing ever? While the Leto stuff was certainly annoying, I was looking forward to the portrayal. But it wasn't particularly good nor was it particularly meaningful. You could cut the Joker out of the film and it wouldn't impact a thing. In fact listing Leto as a "co-star" is probably close to false advertising because he's in the film for what, 7-8 minutes?
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Leto is also a morally repugnant individual who has probably committed sexual assault, so. Yeah. Not really eager to see more of him.
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James Cameron apparently was not that impressed with Wonder Woman.quote:“All of the self-congratulatory back-patting Hollywood’s been doing over Wonder Woman has been so misguided. She’s an objectified icon, and it’s just male Hollywood doing the same old thing! I’m not saying I didn’t like the movie but, to me, it’s a step backwards. Sarah Connor was not a beauty icon. She was strong, she was troubled, she was a terrible mother, and she earned the respect of the audience through pure grit. And to me, [the benefit of characters like Sarah] is so obvious. I mean, half the audience is female!” I mean, saying Wonder Woman is a step backwards is what's a bit misguided I think.
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I figure a lot of people who are into the Harley/Joker relationship are either casual comic fans who treat it like as a trivia fact or teenagers who are in their "edgelord" phase, the latter being more vocal. Hopefully they'll mature out of it, but, well, I once met a Harley fan who was over twenty and they were a little messed up. That said, I could tolerate a Harley and Joker movie if they don't actually cancel the Sirens movie for it. Mumbly fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Aug 24, 2017 |
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