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JFairfax posted:given tehy have a child's view of sex + women it's no surprise the alt-right love animes Some pepe nazis were probably converted by that anime where all the powers from World War II are personified as girls in high school.
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japan is really racist + xenophobic as well so im starting to understand more and more why the alt right might venerate such a noble and isolated culture preserving it's integrity against the mongrel degenerate hordes
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Aug 23, 2017 23:02
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:Oh god I am sorry for sparking Anime Chat please can we go back to talking about how Sargon's beard makes him look like a cartoon badger Ok. I'll shut up now. A positive recommendation. Philosophy Tube has a great two-part series on the human rights and the ethics around immigration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzTPlF0MNno&t=3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_pkdsrVHrc
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business hammocks posted:Some pepe nazis were probably converted by that anime where all the powers from World War II are personified as girls in high school. gently caress Hetalia. It's such a lovely series that turned some of the most horrific incidents in recent human history into slapfights between bishies.
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JFairfax posted:japan is really racist + xenophobic as well so im starting to understand more and more why the alt right might venerate such a noble and isolated culture preserving it's integrity against the mongrel degenerate hordes Japan is many thing at the same time. Acting like it some kinda right-wing hellhole is dumb for entirely different reasons than weebs who worship it, but still stupid. Japan is more defined by a political ennui than anything else. The vast majority of people really aren't that engaged in politics. It's mostly that the right are more active and thus are more influential than they should be.
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Pembroke Fuse posted:gently caress Hetalia. It's such a lovely series that turned some of the most horrific incidents in recent human history into slapfights between bishies. You'd need Cronenberg to do some of the events of WWII justice in that format. The Nazis and Soviets ripped Poland in half and fought over the remains, do they depict that literally? How about Vichy France as a half-eaten zombie, trying to fight the Allied Magical Girls or whateverthefuck as its own organs rebel against it? You'd have to get dark with it. I'm going to guess that isn't what they did.
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Aug 23, 2017 23:42
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Hellbunny posted:It's mostly that the right are more active and thus are more influential than they should be. this sounds very familiar.
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Lightning Lord posted:Take what I say with a grain of salt because I'm not terribly into anime and mostly I'm into manga as part of being into comics in general rather than being plugged into that fandom, but from what I understand the bottom fell out of the market so they have to pander more to the kind of weirdos who buy body pillows. There's also a selection bias when it comes to what gets officially translated because many American anime fans are like that too. Japan is also going through a right wing nationalist phase like America, look at the Abe government. Ehhh, I don't really watch anything other than Dragonball but I think Anime and Manga are too large to make statements about them being inherently conservative, any more than any medium like American film or TV. like you said there's a lot of selection bias just based on the what actually travels westward, I understand there's a vast amount of stuff made for young girls that might change our perception of what Anime is all about here, but because Weeaboos don't really go in for that kind of thing its not well known. Additionally Japan is just generally an old and conservative country. Having said that, based on my dizzying experience of basically only Dragonball, Dragonball Super does feel like its evolved in the somewhat more progressive direction that modern culture is heading, they have Women fighting now! and some of them are gay! khwarezm fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Aug 24, 2017 |
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Japan doesn't really have a feminist movement yet, sadly, which is where I think a lot of cultural problems stem from. japan is kinda weird with social reform stuff in general. their culture puts a huge emphasis on not rocking the boat ever, especially on a legal level, so the kinds of movements that work here in the west just... don't translate. our feminist/ pride/ racial equality/ whatever movements tend to feature people loudly standing up for their rights and focus a lot on getting legislation passed and winning court cases and such, but basically all of that would come off as ridiculously gauche overseas. similarly, their far-right groups are less likely to pursue that kind of action as well, so the legal aspects of social justice are pretty stagnant as a result of nobody wanting to touch it ever. instead everything comes down to social pressure and the threat of being ostracized is kind of what backs any social movement. like, instances of homophobic/transphobic violence are rarer over there than in america or whatever because bigots don't want to cause a scene, but good loving luck getting work mid-transition before your docs are updated, and if you want marriage benefits as a gay couple you have to jump through a lot of weird nonsense hoops like adopting eachother and poo poo noether fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Aug 24, 2017 |
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Aug 24, 2017 00:01
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There are movies made in Nazi Germany that had Polish and Russian people as protagonists and received critical acclaim by the regime due to being propaganda movies. So if the original nazis could live with propaganda movies featuring those they deemed sub-human, it's not really that much of a stretch for neo-nazis to accept anime. 
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the nazis were weird though. they made up the stories of polish cavalry (like on horseback) charging their tanks. everyone outside of germany saw it as the actions of heroic men protecting their homeland in a courageous last stand.
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Goon Danton posted:A number of western cartoons were boundary-pushing and transgressive in the 90s as well, at least on TV. Looking back, it's surprising things like Rocko's Modern Life or Ren and Stimpy were ever allowed to exist by the studio heads. This is going MASSIVLY off topic, but I wan't to mention something here. Yes, Ren and Stimpy and Rocko were transgressive for their time. But transgressive in a "OH DUDE! THATS loving DISGUSTING! Were really showing the squares what's what!" kind of way. You see it in comics now and then. When the topic of underground, indy, transgressive comic makers comes up the discussion is usually reserved for guys like R.Crumb or pretty much anyone who ever worked for MAD Magazine back in the day. It's rare you see someone who is trusted to be an editor for Marvel or DC say they were a fan of say Alison Bechdel, who drew comics about life in the city as a lesbian. Or anyone who say wrote about race in a way that made white people uncomfortable. Or depicted LGBT people in a positive light. Stuff like Steven Universe is still the exception, not the rule. Alex Herich, the creator of Gravity Falls, did an interview where Disney told him he couldn't do a joke where to old women kiss each other because The Disney Channel didn't wanna deal with the angry calls. When it comes to mainstream comics there is still a fight to depict LGBT themes to an extent. The biggest queer couple DC has right now is Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy and even then their relationship is rarely explicitly depicted. Edit: As for Amine/Manga. Back in the 90's-early 2000s that was on of the few places where young LGBT kids and teens got any kind of media that catered to them. Even though This one lesbian or trans character was depicted in a creepy way, it was still better than nothing. And it also didn't matter that a lot of Yaoi and Yuri or stuff with Trans characters in them were basically porn for straight people, people latched onto them because THEY were in it. Even I don't watch or real a lot of stuff from Japan today, a lot of that has stuck. Hell theirs a lot of big creators who are now making a name for themselves in their fields that were clearly inspired by Japanese media. BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Aug 24, 2017 |
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Jfairfax you're trying a little too hard to do the ~edgy cool guy~ japan hate shtick and just coming off weird and racist.
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Yardbomb posted:Jfairfax you're trying a little too hard to do the ~edgy cool guy~ japan hate shtick and just coming off weird and racist. At least he's not on the anti-catholic necro-horse this time.
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Kjoery posted:i loving love japan This sort of stuff is especially ironic, considering the MRA and alt-right talking point of "American men are just weak pussies that go along with The System, not manly men who get tons of pussy and eventually have large, strong, traditional families!" You'd think that, with current Japan's birth rate, marriage rates, and the whole concept of hikikomori, they'd be much more critical of them. But, since they have really strict immigration laws, suddenly Japan is a badass nation of warriors full of hot, fertile women and put those Muslims in their goddamn place! hmm it's almost as if the machismo inherent in these movements is just due to the insecurity and fascist tendencies of the followers hmmmm
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Yardbomb posted:Jfairfax you're trying a little too hard to do the ~edgy cool guy~ japan hate shtick and just coming off weird and racist. Japan is an example to us all because of its avowedly pacifist constitution. but anime is a scourge
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Japan's weird market setup for anime means it's almost all pandering trash now instead of mostly pandering trash. Manga has a much lower bar for entry, so you're more likely to find the occasional gem there.
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I'm sorry to interrupt the conversation about glorious nippon, but stefan released a new video and wowits just fascism at this point posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DCQRcFNIG8 
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I don't like the animus but I do love communism. I might watch an anime if it was done in the style of soviet propaganda posters.
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:Oh god I am sorry for sparking Anime Chat please can we go back to talking about how Sargon's beard makes him look like a cartoon badger You just ruined badgers for me.
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OwlFancier posted:I don't like the animus but I do love communism. kill la kill, imo
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Lightning Lord posted:Take what I say with a grain of salt because I'm not terribly into anime and mostly I'm into manga as part of being into comics in general rather than being plugged into that fandom, but from what I understand the bottom fell out of the market so they have to pander more to the kind of weirdos who buy body pillows.
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It was a couple of pages back but the fascination of having a strong state to step on conservative/fascist necks is hilarious. Like yes, Eisenhower did use the Airborne troops to enforce integration. On the other hand, there's a huge laundry list of law enforcement and military force being used against minorities everywhere. That kind of liberal strong state doesn't even exist and it can't exist.
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Terrible Opinions posted:There is also the problem that anime studios are amazingly terrible at making money off anything but merchandising (they don't get any money from the actual broadcast only blu-ray and merch sales), treat their employees like poo poo, and work on stupidly short timetables. As a result the only stuff getting made is the easiest to churn out safest bet products possible. Like the AAA video game market all of its financial woes are self inflicted by the colossal idiots at the top. It's gotten so bad that there was actually an anime released last year that lampooned the whole lovely process (Girlish Number).
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Kemper Boyd posted:it can't exist. Why?
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Kjoery posted:i loving love japan Japan's xenophobia is literally causing entire cities and towns to become abandoned as the birth rates drop and the population retreats into the bigger cities. Japanese farming is seeing a massive shortfall of labor and many industries are nearing collapse because they will see serious labor shortfalls in the coming years. These losers are literally cheering on Japan's death. noether posted:rocking the boat, social pressure Yeah, I'm aware of this. Sadly, I think it's causing social reforms of any kind to move way too slowly. BigRed0427 posted:Stuff like Steven Universe is still the exception, not the rule. Alex Herich, the creator of Gravity Falls, did an interview where Disney told him he couldn't do a joke where to old women kiss each other because The Disney Channel didn't wanna deal with the angry calls. When it comes to mainstream comics there is still a fight to depict LGBT themes to an extent. The biggest queer couple DC has right now is Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy and even then their relationship is rarely explicitly depicted. Well, STU isn't completely an anomaly. Disney obviously doesn't want to touch "controversy", but Avatar and Legend of Korra were pretty good in terms of dealing with more complicated issues on screen. I've heard that Lauren Faust's other cartoon sort of does that, as does We Bare Bears (in a very gentle fashion).
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An authoritarian liberal democratic state is an oxymoron.
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ANTI-GAMERGATE CRITIC, STUART CAMPBELL, ARRESTED FOR HARASSMENT https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2017/08/anti-gamergate-critic-stuart-campbell-arrested-for-harassment/37848/ man I wish these creeps would leave innocent women alone 
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Kemper Boyd posted:An authoritarian liberal democratic state is an oxymoron. Kinda yeah. I mean there's important things that a state is very good at such as centralization of resources to facilitate the production of large scale projects, but putting the boot in the right place just... by itself without massive popular demand for it, isn't one of them. Unless we invent some kind of AI messiah and hand the state over to it which seems improbable. Also why do all these idiots have loving beards? It's seriously making me want to cut mine off because I don't want people to think I'm
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Kemper Boyd posted:An authoritarian liberal democratic state is an oxymoron. An authoritarian
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Playstation 4 posted:An authoritarian But you repeat yourself.
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Kemper Boyd posted:An authoritarian liberal democratic state is an oxymoron. Good point.
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:ANTI-GAMERGATE CRITIC, STUART CAMPBELL, ARRESTED FOR HARASSMENT Both you and that article are being incredibly disingenuous considering Campbell is a known Homophobe/Transphobe and an Anti-Feminist. He has more in common with the Sargons of the world than the anti-GG'ers.
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Avenging_Mikon posted:Good point. Except that without a strong state, civil rights don't exist. Because if you have to toss asshats into prison as a final eventuality because they refuse to serve minorities, that's a system working as intended. It only is an overreach of the tyrannical state if you are convinced you should be able to freeze black/gay/Jewish/etc people out of your community by denying them services and jobs. And again, we literally had to drag the national guard out to do this within living memory, so acting like it's some theoretical thing instead of what needed to be done is a bit revisionist. White worker's paradise is the best you can get without civil rights protection, and that's an illiberal poo poo democracy at best. Sorry, I value my right to exist in society over some mob's right to vote me out of society because they don't like how I gently caress. And that's literally the level we're at now, since it's entirely cool to fire or deny housing or services to people over their sexual orientation in almost every state in the US. A strong government is what protects minorities from getting screwed over by the majority, and the only real hope in the near future of getting the basic protections everyone deserves extended to LGBT people nationwide.
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extremely reputable news site shelling knockoff porn dolls of video game characters in the advertising (browsing incognito at work so dont try that "hurr your google searches" poo poo)
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rkajdi posted:Except that without a strong state, civil rights don't exist. Because if you have to toss asshats into prison as a final eventuality because they refuse to serve minorities, that's a system working as intended. It only is an overreach of the tyrannical state if you are convinced you should be able to freeze black/gay/Jewish/etc people out of your community by denying them services and jobs. And again, we literally had to drag the national guard out to do this within living memory, so acting like it's some theoretical thing instead of what needed to be done is a bit revisionist. The point being made is that the state does not, generally, toss people in prison for abusing minorities, it mostly tosses minorities in prison for being minorities and then puts them in literal slave labour.
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OwlFancier posted:The point being made is that the state does not, generally, toss people in prison for abusing minorities, it mostly tosses minorities in prison for being minorities and then puts them in literal slave labour. Last weekend I was counterprotesting Nazis and instead of throwing the Nazis out, the cops arrested a bunch of our people. Which is how western states act, they tend to fall on the side of white supremacy with some occasional bones thrown to the minorities.
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:ANTI-GAMERGATE CRITIC, STUART CAMPBELL, ARRESTED FOR HARASSMENT stewart campbell is a massive oval office
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If you do manage to force the state (and you invariably have to force them) to stop being shits to minority groups, you can only do that and maintain it under enormous popular pressure, to which anarchists may suggest: Why not cut out the middle man?
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