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Hazzard posted:Is it just Longsword that has problems? Because I have never heard charges of excessive force leveled in one handed weapon tournaments, but those are quite rare. Rub some dirt on it and suck it up
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Siivola posted:On a related note, hey ImplicitAssembler, do you know any good sources on early Japanese swordy competitions? It's interesting to watch the HEMA discussion: If you want a realistic simulation of combat, with more or less realistic weapons, then you are always going to have injury problems, unless you put on a serious amount of armor. You can then mandate that all attacks needs to be 'pulled', but this will undermine it's value as a realistic simulation. You can modify the weapons (lighter, more flexible), but then unrealistic techniques will become viable and 'historical' techniques may become impractical. You'll still struggle to validate it technically, because you still can't actually cut into/through the opponent and you end up with hitting rather than cutting and all of those issues will become more and more apparent as the practitioners become more and more athletic. Rugby, for example, had to greatly modify it's approach when it started turning professional, as the the players become stronger and faster, hits became harder and injury-rates went through the roof. I have no specific sources on early competitions in feudal. My understanding is that they weren't common and were mostly fought with bokutos (wooden swords). Some duels were also fought with wooden weapons (Musashi did several, even before his famous duel with Sasaki Kojiro). Sparring in dojos was initially done with wooden weapons, but injuries was a problem. (some fatal). Same reason why most traditional sword arts are purely kata-based. This spawned the fukuro-shinai, which is a piece of bamboo, which, apart from the handle, is split into 8+ strips and covered in leather. It also only weighs about 500 grams. This in turn led to the invention of the kendo-style armor and the modern shinai. Kendo then again got further distilled, with limited targets and a fairly stringent set of criteria for what constitutes a point in an attempt to capture the essence and finality of a duel. Intention and commitment is key and the requirement of 'finishing' a technique attempts to take it away from 'just hitting'. HEMA is clearly facing the same dilemma and it'll be interesting to see how it goes about it. The biggest problem, I think, is that with people already making money from it, it's going to be very hard to get those people to agree.
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I recall Ellis Amdur writes that sometime in the late Edo period, people in rural towns were really into fencing competitions. I need to dig out Old School again, after I'm done with all these books on early modern duels in Europe. At least Amdur shows his drat work.  On an unrelated note HEY GAIL check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw2a_j9CLwE
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How did they overturn the weapon control after the sword hunt? Wouldn't that be a big concern?
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My guess is it wasn't enforced after a bit, but I'll look it up sometime soon. Fencing world champs are on, by the way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxQgeNpX0x4 Edit: Man, Olga Kharlan just murdered a woman. Siivola fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Jul 22, 2017 |
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Aww yeah, some good matches here from the women's foil / men's sabre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-Q8EVxJLVA
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if i had to do it over again, i'd order my sword with a blued hilt. My entire life is a cycle of sanding the thing, oiling it, and waiting for rust to pop up again. Don't make the same mistake i did
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Hazzard posted:How did they overturn the weapon control after the sword hunt? Wouldn't that be a big concern? Also apparently six-foot shinai were a thing in certain schools.
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Holy balls this FIE stream keeps finding new and amazing ways to be bad. Now the sound is off-sync. 
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Siivola posted:Holy balls this FIE stream keeps finding new and amazing ways to be bad. Now the sound is off-sync. My live-feed was ok, but I wanted to go back and see the womens sabre and it was several seconds off.
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He's totally covering target with his foot. look at that reversal of shoulders. I guess you can just run over your opponents if you have a World Cup gold. God, where do they get these amateurs from?  Did I miss any wrong takes for that clip?
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dupersaurus posted:God bless MCW 
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BirdOfPlay posted:He's totally covering target with his foot. "That wouldn't work with a real sword"
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BirdOfPlay posted:Did I miss any wrong takes for that clip?
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Let's not give MCW all the credit, Alex had this one, which feels oddly pedestrian (from USA Fencing's facebook page) Crazy Achmed posted:Uh, was Avola flinching in anticipation of being kneed in the face? I think he knew what was about to happen and was trying to remove the target. From that position -- leg up or down -- that was the only place Miles could really go to (he started going high, but you can tell the angle wasn't there for that). And/or he got hit in the balls.
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Fightcamp removed shield and sword, as well as spear from the melee. This is very sad.
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dupersaurus posted:Let's not give MCW all the credit, Alex had this one, which feels oddly pedestrian (from USA Fencing's facebook page) That is pretty badass, I haven't yet watched the bout but I really hope that touch was in time.
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https://vimeo.com/158351570 A reminder that this exists.
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Verisimilidude posted:https://vimeo.com/158351570 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQFik9nlBcw 
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Verisimilidude posted:https://vimeo.com/158351570 I wish Windlass would pay me to hock their crap.
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Verisimilidude posted:https://vimeo.com/158351570 Shot 1 Why. Why couldn't he have done a few more takes on that opening? It looks like he forgot who made the drat thing! I mean, it was probably just to match the word with the step, but even that's dumb and doesn't really add anything. Shot 2 What was that zoom after the intro credits? If you forgot to zoom in for a 3/4 (American, for my French readers) shot, cut and restart. If you did that on purpose, you are a dumb. Nothing was happening and the change was too small for that (but still big enough to be noticed.) Also, there is no need for those minor camera adjustments, which, again, are just big enough to be noticed. Let him work the frame, you've given him enough space to work with. Shot 3 This shot is far too long. With his hits lacking punch* and his bad form, the slow down adds nothing. Honestly, a montage sequence of slow, impactful* hits would've been a better replacement for this shot. Audiences already read montages as a lengthy passage of time; you don't need to bore them with an over-long, slowed-down shot to get the same message across. Shot 4 Again, fluubbed a line. Why go speech -> take cutting stance -> cut pumpkin -> resume speech? Either: take longer getting into you stance and add a delay (builds up tension, this is a good thing!) or start out already in your stance or close to it (this would try into your followup line of how easy it is, but the timing of talking -> cut must be shorter!). And that fade out is badly timed, let the audience relish in the aftermath of your cut! But it was also an editing cover because of poor planning, I can see you about to take another swing as the fade continues. Shots 5 through 6 Oh, so you do know what a montage is! Kinda.  Yeah, there aren't enough shots here to have a nice sequence; there's literally just 2. But hey, the shots were mostly well put together, and (see?) the slow motion feels right because people want to revel in these hits. The only problem is the hit in 6, he's gotta follow through with it. Locking up and not moving like that seems wrong next to the sliced pumpkin: this is bad tension. Shot 7** Waoh, there's a lot going wrong here. The camera movement isn't good, and it's especially apparent because of the framing. His head, and sometimes feet, are regularly being chopped off. He also partially leaves the frame several times, because he's not on his vertical third line. Also, I saw that zoom out. Shot 8** Ok, I'm legitimately impressed: that cut to closeup worked well and was nearly perfectly timed. Bravo! The problem with a close, though, is that the bad camera movement and framing issues just become even more amplified. Part of this is also because of his movement, he's far too active for this shot. Finally, we stay with this shot for too long; we should've left when he was about to get into his stance, not during it. Shot 9** And cut back to a full shot! Unfortunately, the actions in the first half don't really show variety, as was promised in Shot 8. The hits aren't impactful and don't speak for themselves, and any message to be communicated by the totality is lost in its length. Also, he routinely exits the frame for his final hits; where was the camera movement then? The final bit of dialogue tries to segue off of the action from the first half, but as discussed there wasn't much of a message coming from that. The message certainly wasn't to the longsword's versatility. Shots 10 & 11 We cut to the first promotional insert after he mentioned the sword's name in the previous shot, and it becomes clear that this was an advertisement. Nothing preceding this point in the clip, save mentioning the sword was a Bosworth, has focused on the properties of this sword, just longswords in general. While it could be argued that this was just product placement in a regular video, the video's very title claimed this to be an advert. Why should I buy a something (much less a longsword!) without learning any of its qualities? * I'm using "lacking punch" and "impactful" to describe how the actions look and feel as a viewer, not as someone with a knowledge of swords. ** Upon closer inspection, these "shots" are, likely, fabrications and were made in editing. Shots 7 and 9 utilize the full frame, and Shot 8 is faked by cropping that shot to just the close up. This makes the framing issues even worse, because they would've been able to keep him in frame adjusting it in post.
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The slow motion sequence of him hitting the wooden pole over and over again is magical. The unbridled fury on his face. Giving it a good kick for that last blow or two. The little opening in his top where you can see his bellybutton. In other news,  my BF foil blade, 2009-2017. Lost its tip 3 or 4 times, never needed rewiring, didn't actually break but I called it quits yesterday when I noticed it was developing a disturbing curve to the right (and I'm RH). Less flicky than some epees I've seen but not really a broomstick. You will be missed, my old friend.
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I went to Fight Camp. It was fun, except for my food poisoning and too much alcohol. I met famous people! And my and friends are now competing to see who can get the most famous people on Facebook.
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Helsinki Bolognese Open is coming up again in November, but I feel really ehhhh about it. Like, on one hand HEMA competitions are great fun, but on the other I'd have to buy a bunch of gear to feel safe competing. And if the ruleset's like last year's, I don't think I want to try judging either. Last year got a fair bit of flak for all the rookie judges. And it's like two weeks after the foil tournament my club's hosting, and I need at least a licence and a plastron for that as well. Basically, 
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A plastron is a relatively inexpensive and good thing to have. But what's the licence? Nobody I know has any kind of sword licence.
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Crazy Achmed posted:A plastron is a relatively inexpensive and good thing to have. But what's the licence? Nobody I know has any kind of sword licence.
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Yeah, exactly that. It comes with an insurance that covers any accidents during practice and events, so it's not a bad deal.
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Siivola posted:Yeah, exactly that. It comes with an insurance that covers any accidents during practice and events, so it's not a bad deal. Interesting. USFA wraps all that up for fencers in its membership, but it's a several thousand (tens of thousand?) strong NGO. USFA can probably score decent group rates, and it'd be a pain in the rear end to confirm insurance for fencers AND make sure the fencer covered wherever they're fencing.
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Crazy Achmed posted:A plastron is a relatively inexpensive and good thing to have. But what's the licence? Nobody I know has any kind of sword licence. Give it time, the UK will need one soon.
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I believe it's only samurai swords that are 'banned'. Straight swords are obviously much less dangerous and doesn't require banning.
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Our Government is about to tighten knife laws again. I wouldn't put it past them.
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ImplicitAssembler posted:I believe it's only samurai swords that are 'banned'. Straight swords are obviously much less dangerous and doesn't require banning. Well duh, you can't cut through a concrete beam with a straight sword.
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Just started the Bolognese beginner's course yesterday and I'm already browsing webstores and looking at gear. It feels extremely interesting. Might even make it to the Helsinki Bolognese Open, but I expect to get flattened there.
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 Let me know if you need to borrow some kit once y'all start sparring.
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What's everyone's favorite swordfighting movies/TV shows. I was laid off early this month and Highlander the Series has been my nostalgic show to watch while I job search. In addition I've watched Into the Badlands, Highlander, The Cannon Films 80's ninja movies, The Hunted, the 90's Disney Three Musketeers, and Princess Bride. On the horizon I've got 13 Assassins, Rob Roy, Braveheart, 300, Last Samurai, and Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. Any other suggestions?
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the duelists, the deluge, that wire fu three musketeers, videos czechs put out on the internet themselves,etc
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Ive heard a lot of praise for Le Bossu but haven't yet managed to run into it anywhere.
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Nobody mentioned the princess bride yet? For shame.
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