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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/willmenaker/status/901089553896919041

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Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

The interview is a goddamn mess.

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
you know how the dem strategy has been to push for skill improvement, a sorta 'silicon holler,' where coding would be the sure-fire solution to lost coal jobs?

yeah, about that: "As Coding Boot Camps Close, the Field Faces a Reality Check"

quote:

In the last five years, dozens of schools have popped up offering an unusual promise: Even humanities graduates can learn how to code in a few months and join the high-paying digital economy. Students and their hopeful parents shelled out as much as $26,000 seeking to jump-start a career. But the coding boot-camp field now faces a sobering moment, as two large schools have announced plans to shut down this year -- despite backing by major for-profit education companies, Kaplan and the Apollo Education Group, the parent of the University of Phoenix. The closings are a sign that years of heady growth led to a boot-camp glut, and that the field could be in the early stages of a shakeout. [...] One of the casualties, Dev Bootcamp, was a pioneer. It started in San Francisco in 2012 and grew to six schools with more than 3,000 graduates. Only three years ago, Kaplan, the biggest supplier of test-preparation courses, bought Dev Bootcamp and pledged bold expansion. It is now closing at the end of the year. Also closing is The Iron Yard, a boot camp that was founded in Greenville, S.C., in 2013 and swiftly spread to 15 campuses, from Las Vegas to Washington, D.C. Its main financial backer is the Apollo Education Group. Since 2013, the number of boot camp schools in the United States has tripled to more than 90, and the number of graduates will reach nearly 23,000 in 2017, a tenfold jump from 2013, according to Course Report, which tracks the industry.

"learn to code at one of the several hundred (shuttered) locations! get the skills to land a high-paying job* in an over-saturated labor environment"

*neither job nor wages guaranteed

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

lmao at calling "the last 8 years broadly successful for Americans."

Donkwich
Feb 28, 2011


Grimey Drawer
let them sheetcake

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
See this right here's what not to do about Nazis:

https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/901161682432655360

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Frijolero posted:

See this right here's what not to do about Nazis:

https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/901161682432655360

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

What we actually need to do is start befriending, and helping through policy, the people that the neo Nazis are preying on, whether those are their direct victims or their potential recruits.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
So Neo-Nazis are bigger than the KKK in the U.S. now this right?

Bear Retrieval Unit
Nov 5, 2009

Mudslide Experiment
Has anyone said shitcake?

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Nothing but respect for my sheetcake

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Frijolero posted:

Nothing but respect for my sheetcake


loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Frijolero posted:

Nothing but respect for my sheetcake



the exact lighting of this picture made it parse to me as a NY Jets logo sheetcake at first

the Jets and ISIS are roughly equivalent in my mind though so

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

punk rebel ecks posted:

So Neo-Nazis are bigger than the KKK in the U.S. now this right?

There are no less then 350 million neo-nazis in america. The fourth reich would be here already and the ovens would be operating if it weren't for the brave masked individuals with perfect morals and omniscience to ensure they inflict pugil justice only upon the wicked.

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Frijolero posted:

See this right here's what not to do about Nazis:

https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/901161682432655360
next article: Sell Out Your Ethnic Friends To Nazis

Bear Retrieval Unit
Nov 5, 2009

Mudslide Experiment

Frijolero posted:

Nothing but respect for my sheetcake



The perfect cake for my gay wedding.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Frijolero posted:

See this right here's what not to do about Nazis:

https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/901161682432655360

https://twitter.com/Phonycian/status/901175514076815360

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Serf posted:

we should have outlawed confederatism

Reverend Dr
Feb 9, 2005

Thanks Reverend

punk rebel ecks posted:

So Neo-Nazis are bigger than the KKK in the U.S. now this right?

Always been a lot of people that would otherwise be full on white supremacist turned off by the KKK being up its rear end own rear end with wizards and dragons.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Frijolero posted:

See this right here's what not to do about Nazis:

https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/901161682432655360

https://twitter.com/elivalley/status/900942145833451526

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Gene Hackman Fan posted:

you know how the dem strategy has been to push for skill improvement, a sorta 'silicon holler,' where coding would be the sure-fire solution to lost coal jobs?

yeah, about that: "As Coding Boot Camps Close, the Field Faces a Reality Check"


"learn to code at one of the several hundred (shuttered) locations! get the skills to land a high-paying job* in an over-saturated labor environment"

*neither job nor wages guaranteed

coding camps are also a hilarious gimmick since such crash course methods never develop fundamentals

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
I would not be outraged if the free speech rights of these "journalists" were irreveribly revoked.

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

I hope there's a special place in hell for Aaron Sorkin for mailing anyone think this is a good idea

http://nydn.us/2w4R57D

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/901178750846595077

:wow:

Barry Convex
Sep 1, 2005

Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!

I have never heard of this woman before but apparently her husband is the opinion editor at the NY Post, which makes too much sense

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Yeah I feel obliged to point out that she used the #tcot hashtag, meaning she's a right-winger, not a bad-dem

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

wouldn't be the first time zionists and nazis were on the same side

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
i went down that rabbit hole because i got real mad and it ended with me asking her husband the post's stance on unsolicited submissions, specifically pics of my dick and balls

when i get banned from twitter, twitter can eat my poo poo

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

loquacius posted:

Yeah I feel obliged to point out that she used the #tcot hashtag, meaning she's a right-winger, not a bad-dem

Her "we got to befriend NeoNazis" article was published by The Forward, which is an ostensibly liberal Jewish magazine.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
also someone tried to make some point about extremist echo chambers re: not befriending nazis, then said i was in the extremist echo chamber for refusing to brook "maybe be nice to nazis" poo poo, then she muted me which is kind of ironic i guess

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

https://twitter.com/AnnalisaIIKG/status/901117544659955712

All of these people would be more politically efficacious buried in cement.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

https://twitter.com/AnnalisaIIKG/status/901117544659955712

All of these people would be more politically efficacious buried in cement.

Susan Danzig #44 looks exactly like the kind of person who would say "the troublemakers at Ferguson"

I can hear the voice she'd say it in even

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Thoguh posted:

Meh, the posters in the thread are divided on that. Personally I don't like the idea of anyone defining what speech can or can't be said because I don't trust the people who would be making the decisions about what constitutes reasonable speech.

nobody's getting arrested for their speech...

...unless they spoke out against Trump

while all the so-called free speech advocates are busy speaking out about Nazis shouldn't be punched, the government is getting a court order for the info of literally every visitor to an anti-Trump website so it can concoct excuses to mine all their communications so it can charge a bunch of political dissidents with a bullshit conspiracy charge

loquacius posted:

That makes sense in Germany because of Germany's history of literally inventing the term "Nazi" and letting them run their government for a decade. They have a basis for outlawing that kind of speech that doesn't work for any other kind of speech.

That's not the case in this country. In America, given our history, we have exactly as much legal basis to outlaw Nazism as we do to outlaw, say, Communism. And outlawing Communism is actually more likely to pass at the government level. And once Communism is outlawed, a whole lot of socialist speech/organizing could be prevented as well, because a lot of American society has a vested interest in not knowing the difference between these two concepts.

So it's overall better for us if we just don't go down that path at all.

the problem with making slippery slope arguments about suppressing Nazi speech is that we went down that slope decades ago. communists and socialists spent much of the last century facing institutionalized, government-sponsored oppression. meanwhile, the white supremacists were openly endorsed by many state and local governments, and the federal government largely looked the other way,

besides, the whole thing is a false equivalence. we're not saying neo-Nazis should be oppressed because they're a marginalized and unpopular sub-group, we're saying they should be oppressed because they believe that minorities are literally non-human and should be deported or exterminated. it's like saying hate speech laws are bad because they might someday be used to ban advocating for universal healthcare - it's a nonsensical comparison

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Main Paineframe posted:

nobody's getting arrested for their speech...

...unless they spoke out against Trump

while all the so-called free speech advocates are busy speaking out about Nazis shouldn't be punched, the government is getting a court order for the info of literally every visitor to an anti-Trump website so it can concoct excuses to mine all their communications so it can charge a bunch of political dissidents with a bullshit conspiracy charge

Yea that was overturned, in part thanks to the first amendment, and the precedent set by the ACLU and other other civil rights advocates. GOOD THING THOSE ADVOCATES EXIST, WOULDN'T YOU AGREE?

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Gene Hackman Fan posted:

i think my qualms lie in Very Smart Adults saying you shouldn't deny nazis a platform and actually hear them out because brainworms cause them to worship order over justice in the name of discourse.

they're also forgetting that the counter-protesters also have the right to speak, as well as those who protest nazis also have the right to self defense against those who would threaten to do them harm.

never mind that while freeze peach guarantees that the government can't can't punish nazis talking poo poo, it does not guarantee the right to an audience, distribution, nor the right to dictate a desired reaction they want (eg nazis not getting hit for talking poo poo).

because only those with brainworms would hear about #sheetcaking and think that was a profoundly powerful statement, and not an abdication of responsibilities.
a support of free speech rights does not mean supporting an obligation to listen to or respect that speech

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

punk rebel ecks posted:

But it's hardly just the politicians saying this, but Democratic voters as well.
if "didn't vote" was a presidential candidate in the last US election, they would've won an overwhelming amount of the votes

even though the democrats are incredibly incompetent, the democrats and their surrogates in the media do spend a large amount of time on trying to bring people to buy into their ideology. as can be evidenced by the democrats' electoral performance and a huge amount of people leaving the party, a lot of people are not buying it

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Yea that was overturned, in part thanks to the first amendment, and the precedent set by the ACLU and other other civil rights advocates. GOOD THING THOSE ADVOCATES EXIST, WOULDN'T YOU AGREE?

it wasn't overturned

the government voluntarily narrowed the request somewhat, which the judge then upheld and ordered Dreamhost to comply

they're just casting it as a victory because they don't wanna appeal anymore

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

comedyblissoption posted:

a support of free speech rights does not mean supporting an obligation to listen to or respect that speech

certainly true, but on the other hand, "free speech" is the cover being used as grounds to recruit and organize for ethnic cleansing. that poo poo needs to be busted the gently caress up.

it's the paradox of tolerance: if we tolerate the intolerant without question, the tolerant will eventually be displaced and/or destroyed. it's not censorship or arbitrary violence, it's the community engaging in self-defense

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Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


so i'm listening to this mark lilla slate interview and hoooooly poo poo this dude is such a dumb fucken prick

does he have any pull within leadership?

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