Star Citizen: Death of a Space Thread?

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Bubbacub: Apr 17, 2001

How does it help the immersion if like 1% of commandos have the face tracking webcam and everyone else is running around stonefaced? Did they think this through?

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:01

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# ? May 31, 2024 06:01

Percelus: Sep 9, 2012; My command, your wish is

i can assure you crobblers did not think any of this through

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:02

xXAdmiralBekHarXx: Jul 11, 2017; by zen death robot

Bubbacub posted:

How does it help the immersion if like 1% of commandos have the face tracking webcam and everyone else is running around stonefaced? Did they think this through?

But you know all that facial data is being sent to everyone.

Its a gimmick because they have nothing, nothing more.

You even have citizens starting to say its never meant to be a game but just a sandbox of cutting edge gamedev features for others to build off of.

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:03

roflingstones: May 19, 2009

Quavers posted:

A good game from year 2000 for page 2000:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itnXy-jKwYY

game owns HARD

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:05

Bubbacub: Apr 17, 2001

Quavers posted:

A good game from year 2000 for page 2000:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itnXy-jKwYY

Oh poo poo just remembered that this is for sale on GOG (retitled as "Emergence")

Also nice to see that Hellblade is currently the #4 bestseller there :3:

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:06

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# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:07

Bubbacub: Apr 17, 2001

For $40 you can get two top-quality computer games that you can play for real. Imagine that.

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:08

Ramc: May 4, 2008; Bringing your thread to a screeching halt, guaranteed.

battlefield 2000 ad

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:08

Lladre: Jun 28, 2011; Soiled Meat

star citizen 2001

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:09

kw0134: Apr 19, 2003; I buy feet pics🍆

The pursuit of this "feature" is the sort of thing than can seriously derail a normal game's development since it's pouring resources into something that adds nothing to the game.

But since there's in fact no game and development is a farcical lie continuously told in order to extract money from the gullible, this unveiling can only be good for SC.

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:09

Lladre: Jun 28, 2011; Soiled Meat

welp

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:09

Crazy_BlackParrot: Feb 1, 2016; Christ Roberts is way better than toilet lord...

test

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:10

Bubbacub: Apr 17, 2001

Can't wait for both the female character models and the webcam to be released. We'll get to see endless variations of creepface.

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:12

Fargin Icehole: Feb 19, 2011; Pet me.

So, Bush just won via electoral college. I hope next year will be better

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:12

Daztek: Jun 2, 2006

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:12

SirViver: Oct 22, 2008

!raffle

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:14

Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

We are truly living in the 2000th stimpire

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:14

Erenthal: Jan 1, 2008; A relaxing walk in the woods; Grimey Drawer

my god i have commandos telling me that cig now owns faceware and will make a ton of money selling this groundbreaking foip tech to other publishers

the delusions know no end

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:14

Beexoffel: Oct 4, 2015; Herald of the Stimpire

Archering a catte to post on a round numbered page.

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:15

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Chris Roberts cares more about facial capture than gameplay in a game where players wear helmets most of the time.

Beer4TheBeerGod fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Aug 26, 2017

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:15

Colostomy Bag: Jan 11, 2016; C-Bangin' it

What a time to be alive.

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:16

Fargin Icehole: Feb 19, 2011; Pet me.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Chris Roberts cares more about facial capture than gameplay in a game where players wear helmets most of the time.

For some reason I never thought of this.

Also, the facial captures they did on that stream seriously remind me of those youtube poops on mass effect

Somebody fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Aug 26, 2017

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:17

Crazy_BlackParrot: Feb 1, 2016; Christ Roberts is way better than toilet lord...

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Chris Roberts cares more about facial capture than gameplay in a game where players wear helmets most of the time.

Also, noticed how the helmet flashlight had to be equipped at all times lol.

Somebody fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Aug 26, 2017

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:18

MedicineHut: Feb 25, 2016

In before 2001. Although 2001 is cool too.

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:19

Slow_Moe: Feb 18, 2013

Bubbacub posted:

How does it help the immersion if like 1% of commandos have the face tracking webcam and everyone else is running around stonefaced? Did they think this through?

The only thought crobbers had about this is this: "I can sell this "

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:19

History Comes Inside!: Nov 20, 2004

I just caught up on he presentation

Lol

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:19

Nanako the Narc: Sep 6, 2011

I can't believe Chris had the loving gall to throw a jpeg ad in when the pilot crashed in the presentation.

Also, just got to the point where they talk about their partnership with another company to make a webcam, because that's never backfired in the past for CIG.

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:20

Nanako the Narc: Sep 6, 2011

Also best part of the presentation so far was the dude firing a railgun at the Cutlass, clearly missing, and the Cutlass exploding anyway, to the roar of approval from the crowd.

[EDIT] also I just remembered that at the start of this Chris basically dumped on Skyrim to show how big Delamar is. Stay classy, Chris.

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:21

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Latin Pheonix posted:

Also best part of the presentation so far was the dude firing a railgun at the Cutlass, clearly missing, and the Cutlass exploding anyway, to the roar of approval from the crowd.

The Cutlass teleporting was awesome

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:21

Taintrunner: Apr 10, 2017; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

I can't wait for the community effort to salvage Star Citizen assets into a functional game after this is all over

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:23

Erenthal: Jan 1, 2008; A relaxing walk in the woods; Grimey Drawer

Taintrunner posted:

I can't wait for the community effort to salvage Star Citizen assets into a functional game after this is all over

zybourne citizen

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:23

Tippis: Mar 21, 2008; It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Combat Theory posted:

Soooooooooo after the most legendary "catched up with the thread" struggle of ages, I have finally returned, hello friends.

What I should post first has been quite an interesting question, but luckily it was answered for me with yesterday's presentation disaster.

I won't post about how the idris looks like a joke even compared to the morrow tour, I won't post about "The ramp" and I won't post about the atmospheric flight being an abomination that everyone with a bit of understanding of high school physics could have seen long ago when calculating the acceleration reserves of the ships.

I won't even post about the hilarious face cap technology that will never work over networking...

What I decided to comment on is much smaller and much more telling about CIGs way of thinking in my opinion. The buggy. Well not exactly buggy but that 6 wheeled Apc they archered from Alien 2.

We all know that cry engine has a class for vehicles with okay-ish functionality. Indeed they used that for the grey cat for example (that buggy thing for the hangar)
But that's not what the APC or any of the levitation vehicles run on.

Now before we go into what these new fidelitious star citizen vehicles run on, we should go into how stuff like wheeled or tracked vehicles actually work and how they are simulated in video games. Because that's quite the ample topic with many possible handwaving I'll just break it down to the absolute core. The MVP for driving so to speak. That's the chassis and suspension technology. No matter if you use engines, rockets, muscle force or horses, the suspension and chassis setup and/or its simulation is the critical factor for driving behavior in real life and accuracy of a simulated system in virtual worlds.

In real life, a chassis is a volumetric elastic body with varying mass and varying center of gravity. In real life, suspensions are made of several linear and non linear elastic components, all with non linear dampening characteristics. Depending on the suspension type, you have a non linear varying roll axis, pitch axis and yaw axis, as well as non linear movement of the wheel, resulting in changes of camber, caster and the like.We can simulate them to a highly accurate degree virtually, but that takes days of calculations for a single second of run time.

In video games and especially racing simulations, a few general short cuts are taken.

The chassis is at least a volumetric rigid body with a set mass.

The suspension per wheel is an ideal spring and dampener at least. The suspension geometry is rigid. There is almost always a change of camber and caster and they often influence the force that can be transmitted by the tire. Most games, even simple driving models, simulate anti roll bars. All simulate pitch and roll of the chassis as a result of the mechanical forces on the elastic suspension during dynamic driving.

In short, although a simpler mechanic, all driving simulations from GTA over flat out to asetto corsa have in common that they use a mechanical model with clearly defined mechanical parameters and apply forces to it to simulate a realistic behavior of the chassis under dynamic driving. The behavior here is the result of the mechanics. This is important.

Now for star citizen.
As I said cry engine has a little package for simple vehicles like the grey cat which is a rudimentary mechanical driving model. But the apc had nothing to do with it. What the apc does is it completely splits the chassis from the wheels. The chassis runs on it's own behavior and the wheels have an independent code to "look like they guide it on the surface"
This becomes very clear when you look at what the chassis does when the vehicle runs over an obstacle for example. It does something no chassis of a wheeled vehicle ever does in real life or simulation. It stays still. There is a ton more indicators for this lack of actual mechanical connection between the wheels and the chassis too, like the lack of harmonics, the lack of feedback into the chassis etc. But the most telling thing is really that the chassis doesn't care if a wheel is fully compressing it's suspension.

I asked myself what would result in such behavior and what keeps the chassis in it's vertical position and the answer is as disappointing as funny. It's the same IFCS monstrosity that keeps the ships and the hover vehicles going.

IFCS is a strictly high order system. This means it doesn't care for details like mechanical parameters. You tell the ifcs "how something moves" not what keeps it moving that way. This means the entire mechanical simulation is floating. It's parameters don't matter. What matters is how you envision something to look like and the IFCS will use whatever it has available to achieve that movement pattern. This means that a spring might force 10 kilonewton between its ends at a certain compression, but when it gets compressed more it suddenly goes down to 0.1 kilonewton. This behavior is impossible for a spring, it goes against what a mechanical spring would ever do. But it is what the IFCS tells the spring to do in order to achieve a certain movement pattern.
This focus on the movement instead of mechanics is very similar to how a drone like a quadrocopter works, or a robotic arm. This kind of aproach to a full on vehicle simulation though, apart from the very strictly limited realm of zero G spaceflight, will always result in nightmarish and unsatisfying driving and flight behavior.

This use of a high order IFCS system is why the chassis doesn't give anything about the position of the individual wheel. And this is why the Rover can just gtfo into low earth orbit occasionally like the nox does when something goes haywire.

But you have to understand what this means for a gameplay versus cinematic design side. For gameplay, this is disastrous. It means that the player is unabled to predict what a vehicle is gonna do because we humans don't have a feeling for movement parameters, we have a feeling for repeatable mechanics. At the same time it's a blessing to the cinematics, because you can now go and tell a live simulation of a vehicle "how to look like" instead of going the route of actually finding a mechanical tune to support that visual appeal (which is likely impossible, because what looks good usually doesn't drive good) and now that you read this about the vehicle suspension, you should all take a good look at the ships landing gear too.

This whole train of thought behind this system, the tons of work that must have went into it and the horror that this system made it through a whole 400+ employees company without anyone of the "experienced game designers" asking "why the gently caress are we doing this instead of using something that works guaranteed and is easy to do" is what's the most telling about this whole project.

and for the page that actually matters in space.

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:23

Foo Diddley: Oct 29, 2011; cat

My god, it's full of stores

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:24

MedicineHut: Feb 25, 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIH6Ht8ZqiE

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:25

EminusSleepus: Sep 28, 2015

2000!!

edit:

dang!

2001!!

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:26

Taintrunner: Apr 10, 2017; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Latin Pheonix posted:

I can't believe Chris had the loving gall to throw a jpeg ad in when the pilot crashed in the presentation.

Even worse: that's all they had. Just think how many thousands of dollars of crowdfunded dollars they've burned to create commercials to sell in-game ships. Not a grounded vertical slice, not stabilizing the loving build - but they put the most love into loving advertisements.

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:26

xXAdmiralBekHarXx: Jul 11, 2017; by zen death robot

Yeah live crash is disappointing, but it also proves the product is real and worth waiting for

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:26

Colostomy Bag: Jan 11, 2016; C-Bangin' it

Erenthal posted:

zybourne citizen

That, but Chris is currently completing his Magnum Opus: Stillborn Citizen

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:27

Tank Boy Ken: Aug 24, 2012; J4G for life; Fallen Rib

Taintrunner posted:

Even worse: that's all they had. Just think how many thousands of dollars of crowdfunded dollars they've burned to create commercials to sell in-game ships. Not a grounded vertical slice, not stabilizing the loving build - but they put the most love into loving advertisements.

Yeah, but those are INGAME Advertisements! Take that goonie. Furthermore...

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:27

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Colostomy Bag: Jan 11, 2016; C-Bangin' it

Taintrunner posted:

Even worse: that's all they had. Just think how many thousands of dollars of crowdfunded dollars they've burned to create commercials to sell in-game ships. Not a grounded vertical slice, not stabilizing the loving build - but they put the most love into loving advertisements.

Yet given the funding levels, it seems to have worked and paid off.

Problem is the engineering debt on the other side of the question.

roberts_leaping_out_window.jpg

# ? Aug 26, 2017 17:28

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