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K. Waste posted:I dunno, most kaiju movies are really chaste. Like, one of the most recurring melodramatic themes of these types of movies is the total repression of sexual independence, particularly of women. And if not that, some tense sexual drama is usually occurring somewhere but never addressed explicitly. Gojira, Rodan, The X from Outer Space, and a bunch of others just immediately leap out to me as the monsters explicitly being a metaphor for the characters' repressed sexual desires. I had assumed that SMG meant pornographic in the colloquial sense of "excessive". If you're using pornographic to refer to a movie dealing with sexuality at all then you should probably take a break.
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DeimosRising posted:Gamera 3, X From Outer Space, are we not counting Kong movies? I guess I should have said Toho monster movies. I've never seen the X From Outer Space, either.
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The Japanese cut of Terror of Mechagodzilla has some serious boobage going on (and robot surgery)
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Aug 27, 2017 03:11
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K. Waste posted:It's a visual parallel to the Brodys being reunited at the beginning of the film. I mean the bugs even don't just gently caress, they date, cuddle and start a nuclear family. Also given they came from the same parasitised Godzillasaurus corpse it seems implicitly incestuous.
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Inescapable Duck posted:I mean the bugs even don't just gently caress, they date, cuddle and start a nuclear family. Could be like those insects that are born pregnant
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Improbable Lobster posted:I had assumed that SMG meant pornographic in the colloquial sense of "excessive". If you're using pornographic to refer to a movie dealing with sexuality at all then you should probably take a break. I'm referring to both, because they're basically inextricable. 'Pornographic' isn't about excess of superficial content, but the excess in superficial content - it's about the suspicion or charge of obscenity. So when you have a genre which consistently plots its outlandish scenarios of giant monsters parallel to tense romantic drama where there is virtually no physical fulfillment whatsoever, often not even a kiss on the cheek, it becomes pertinent to describe how the otherwise unrelated phenomena of the kaiju relates to the specific melodramatic scenarios occupied by the human protagonists. Concepts of 'chastity' and 'pornography' are relevant. Tuxedo Catfish posted:Have you seen Evangelion, K. Waste? I'm curious what you'd make of Ikari Gendo's relationship with the giant robot / kaiju inhabited by his wife's soul -- which she fled to, to escape the Illuminati who wanted to kill her, but which also functionally equates to telling him to go sleep on the couch. I've heard of it, but never watched it. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there was a lot of psychosexual, gender political poo poo going on under the hood. Inescapable Duck posted:I mean the bugs even don't just gently caress, they date, cuddle and start a nuclear family. Exactly. The MUTOs are a distorted, but more truthful embodiment of the nuclear family. The effect, because they are such mammoth figures who ostensibly shouldn't be perceived or masked as anthropomorphic, becomes that they are actually more expressive, more compelling, less emotionally limited than the actual Brodys. It's simultaneously the American dream of how the nuclear family depends upon one another and flourishes, but presented as a nightmare with apocalyptic consequences.
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Ha, nuclear family. I get it.
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Their family is depicted as a force that will destroy everything else in the world for their own short prosperity. Also, they literally use a ticking nuclear bomb to warm their children, seeing a weapon that would inevitably destroy them as the perfect foundation for their family. What I'm saying is, the real monsters are Baby Boomers.
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And someone, probably SMG, brought this up before, but a big underlying theme of Godzilla 2014 is the beauty and terror of the idea of true, universal family. A man has to reunite with his estranged father, who he has probably good reasons to dislike due to him going off running after crazy echolocating monsters rather than being a father, but in turn has to leave his own son behind in the process. The MUTOs would destroy everything for their family, while as they share a glance amid the ruins of San Francisco, Brody and Godzilla realise that they have a commonality, that the human soldier and the ancient monster are part of an extended family of Earth's inhabitants who must learn to coexist if they are to survive, to unite against those who would destroy all seeking their own gain. And I've said a bunch of times, but I really love the 'naturalistic' approach to Kaiju in the more recent movies, like they've taken inspiration from nature documentaries, taken Walking With Dinosaurs to its most awesomely ridiculous conclusion. They can be allegorical beings and monsters of myth, but also like animals that could exist in the world, at least before you think about it for five seconds. People go to zoos for a reason, animals are interesting and we see both familiar and strange things in them, and Kaiju are animals at massive scale to make it all the more clear.
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Choco1980 posted:The Japanese cut of Terror of Mechagodzilla has some serious boobage going on (and robot surgery) It's a pretty dark movie too for a 70s godzilla movie. It's def in my top 5.
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Zilla doesn't gently caress, but Zilla gets penetrated by thousands of bullets.
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K. Waste posted:I've heard of it, but never watched it. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there was a lot of psychosexual, gender political poo poo going on under the hood. I mean, I suppose this isn't a wrong way to describe evangelion.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:I mean, I suppose this isn't a wrong way to describe evangelion. It might be wrong in that it's barely under the hood. More like a hood ornament if anything.
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Inescapable Duck posted:It might be wrong in that it's barely under the hood. More like a hood ornament if anything. Ah, so it's like Crash with mechs
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K. Waste posted:Ah, so it's like Crash with mechs A key thing is that it's an anime that clearly really, really hates anime and its fans, while also being so anime it invented new things for anime to be anime about. Also written by a guy who was very clearly in the middle of a mental breakdown, and it also may have been intended to fail as part of a financial scheme and ended up with The Producers-esque unexpected success, since a couple of Gainax execs went to jail.
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One of the main human plot lines in Gojira is a love triangle. That is pretty upfront right from the start
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Inescapable Duck posted:A key thing is that it's an anime that clearly really, really hates anime and its fans, while also being so anime it invented new things for anime to be anime about. I don't buy that. Perhaps the single most consistent theme in the show is the complete powerlessness of the younger generation in the face of oppressive societal structures and the adults that uphold them. It's not a show that hates anime and it's fans. It's a show that thinks the younger generation (anime fans included) is self absorbed, irresponsible, and failing to grow up--and it lays the blame squarely at the feet of adult society. This carries over fairly directly into Shin Godzilla as well.
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Schwarzwald posted:I don't buy that. Perhaps the single most consistent theme in the show is the complete powerlessness of the younger generation in the face of oppressive societal structures and the adults that uphold them. Anno kinda famously received hundreds of death threats and became severely depressed while working on the series. Shinji's entire character is a criticism of otaku subculture and it becomes increasingly obvious until he's jacking off to his unconscious friend.
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Improbable Lobster posted:Anno kinda famously received hundreds of death threats and became severely depressed while working on the series. Shinji's entire character is a criticism of otaku subculture and it becomes increasingly obvious until he's jacking off to his unconscious friend. Shinji's character is not a criticism of otaku. (The otaku character is Kensuke, and he's portrayed positively, being one of the few characters who actually gives a drat about Shinji.) Shinji is characterized by his immaturity and his powerlessness, and is repeatedly objectified and used by the adults of the show, including (and especially) his guardians and those who profess to have his best interests at heart. Shinji is not hateful but pathetic.
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Improbable Lobster posted:Anno kinda famously received hundreds of death threats and became severely depressed while working on the series. Shinji's entire character is a criticism of otaku subculture and it becomes increasingly obvious until he's jacking off to his unconscious friend. Wrong. Anno received death threats over Death & Rebirth, after the series had already ended for some time. More specifically, he received death threats because the second half of Death & Rebirth is basically a teaser for End of Evangelion and people were mad because they wanted more Eva. (It was also an outlier -- most feedback for the show and the movies was positive.) He was famously depressed, but for personal reasons. Similarly, "Shinji is an otaku caricature" is pretty much just uninformed nonsense that people repeat across the internet.
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K. Waste posted:Ah, so it's like Crash with mechs The Cronenberg one, yes.
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My understanding is Shinji's hosed up because he's a teenager and you shouldn't have teenagers fighting wars.
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Having watched Death Note now, I eagerly look forward to Godzilla VS Kong and all the stupid bullshit it will bring to us. Please give me cheesy 80s love ballads as Godzilla violently murders Kong please
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Burkion posted:Having watched Death Note now, I eagerly look forward to Godzilla VS Kong and all the stupid bullshit it will bring to us. I'm of the opposite opinion. If Wingard let something that loving bad slip through then GvKong is going to suck poo poo. I expected bad but Death Note was on an altogether different plane of shockingly, amazingly bad. I couldn't believe the guy who made The Guest directed that poo poo.
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Evangelion is a beautiful cipher. I first read the manga when I was like, 12, and since then I've come back to it after years apart and each time I get a different thing out of it. Like, when I was 12 I was totally into the violence and all of the religious and psychological ephemera (which is really just cool symbolism that they added to the top layer of poo poo), and since then I've seen people talk about it as a criticism of otaku culture (which is the most ironic reading, not because it's wrong, but because of all of the awful, awful merchandising that's come out of it), a man dealing with depression through art, an anti-war polemic, a story about generational clash, and a (possibly) incidental commentary on spooky cults that steal people's humanity that literally premiered less than 6 months after the Aum Shinrikyo sarin attacks (apparently they had to change the story a bit because it hit too close to home and were worried about censorship). and it will never end because the fourth movie will never come out edit: ok i just learned that there was a seismic event in Australia in 1993 that was for a while unexplained, and someone floated the theory that, since the event happened close to a farm owned by the Aum Shinrikyo, who were known to be working on developing powerful weapons, the event was caused by a nuclear weapons test attempted by the Aum, so now I want a new Godzilla movie where the monster that Godzilla fights is a giant abomination made up of various animals from the Australian Outback that were mutated by nuclear weapons owned by a doomsday cult. Who do I talk to to have that movie made? DC Murderverse fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Aug 28, 2017 |
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"Worried about censorship" barely even covers it. You know why episodes 25 and 26 are as weird as they are? Because the original versions were basically End of Evangelion lite and the TV station was like "haha nope," so Anno and company had to scramble to come up with something to replace them.
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Maxwell Lord posted:My understanding is Shinji's hosed up because he's a teenager and you shouldn't have teenagers fighting wars. shinji is hosed up in a billion different ways and this is one of them
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I think a lot of it is a supposedly typical 'Teenage boy pilots mech built by long-lost father' plot (I have no idea if this is actually typical. Though oddly enough it ties into Brody) and actually looking at what kind of parent would abandon their child and then have them pilot a superweapon. (A really lovely one, it turns out!) Not to mention how hosed up the situation would have to be to have teenagers fighting wars in giant machines in the first place. Shinji starts out maladjusted because he's been seemingly abandoned by his parents and foisted off on apathetic relatives in the middle of the apocalypse, then gets worse from generous heaps of PTSD. The closest Western counterpart thematically I can think of is The Venture Bros, funnily enough, and that's mostly because of the contest for Worst Animated Dad.
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https://twitter.com/godzilla_anime/status/903422746146684928
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Maxwell Lord posted:My understanding is Shinji's hosed up because he's a teenager and you shouldn't have teenagers fighting wars. ding ding ding
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DC Murderverse posted:
How about Godzilla vs a giant Paul Hogan?
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Godzilla vs a giant Steve Irwin.
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Inescapable Duck posted:Godzilla vs a giant Steve Irwin. Here's a preview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU0UFbxZDGM
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Either that or Dave Chappelle.
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The scene immediately before the line about "nuclear wisdom" has the japanese scientists saying that Godzilla was already getting smaller in order to propagate
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Improbable Lobster posted:The scene immediately before the line about "nuclear wisdom" has the japanese scientists saying that Godzilla was already getting smaller in order to propagate That line sounds like an off chance theory, but then you see the tail at the end and it just becomes chilling. The thought of those weird...alien things... Ugh.
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The movie's artbook has details of what the fifth through eighth forms of Godzilla would be and they're chilling af.quote:Fifth Form
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We're at least gonna get a taste of that from Monster Planet, the way the production design is shaping up. Goji looks a'ight, but those Pterodactyl Godzilla things look sick.
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Waffleman_ posted:The movie's artbook has details of what the fifth through eighth forms of Godzilla would be and they're chilling af. Actually, in his 5th form his eyes get bigger and he becomes a protagonist. In his 6th form he's starting to look kind of ratty and you can see his zipper.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Actually, in his 5th form his eyes get bigger and he becomes a protagonist. In his 6th form he's starting to look kind of ratty and you can see his zipper. In the seventh form he gets a bunch of belts and a keyblade
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