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NmareBfly posted:This is 100% what I expect. There are so many parties in play that it's going to be ludicrously easy to point the finger at someone else to take the blame for every wrong thing, and take full credit for every one that works out well. Maybe he'll even get a photo op where Navy 1 (that's the presidential helicopter, right?) rescues someone from a roof. There's no way Marine One saves anyone from a rooftop. Donny would have to be inside the chopper for it to be Marine One and there's no way he takes any risks to save someone else. I wouldn't worry too much about Donny looking Presidential to the masses who haven't been paying any attention to anyone. It's Donny. He's going to go off on a rant about how big he won the election and how Houston isn't even a real city because it doesn't have anything named Trump in it. Plus there's a very good chance he'll talk about Houston's Gay Mayor derogatorily and how this is all her fault, even though she's no longer the mayor of Houston. Trump will always find a way to horrify the nation and turn lobbed softballs into strikes.
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Aug 27, 2017 16:47
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My best yardstick for this is Hurricane Ike, in 2008, which pretty much directly hit Galveston, Houston and the ship channel. It caused around 120 deaths in the US and 30 billion dollars in damage. That is not a small amount of lives or money. But on the other hand, Hurricane Ike didn't paralyze and destroy Houston. It hit actually right before the big days of the financial crisis, so it was almost forgotten. Harvey is bigger than Ike, and also is longer lasting, but its direct wind and storm surge came ashore in a less populated area. I think that Harvey will be bigger than Ike, but still a lot below Katrina. I think there will be large interruptions in gas production, as well as big delays in exporting and important through the harbor, a big bill for insurance companies, a big bill for the federal government that will coincide with the debt limit showdown. But based on other storms we've seen, like Katrina, I don't think it makes sense to say Houston will be destroyed.
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Aug 27, 2017 16:47
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http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/index.php?wfo=hgx This is the tool for looking at flood gauges. Its not always 100% accurate, especially in rapidly changing circumstances, but it is more so than not.
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Aug 27, 2017 16:49
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glowing-fish posted:My best yardstick for this is Hurricane Ike, in 2008, which pretty much directly hit Galveston, Houston and the ship channel. If there is one thing you are absolutely not a credible source on, it’s loving topology.
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Aug 27, 2017 16:50
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We still have another 5 days of rain to go. It's way too early to judge how bad this is.
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Aug 27, 2017 16:50
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Aug 27, 2017 16:55
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I really don't think there's going to be an approval bump for Trump over this. Voters tend to blame the president for bad things happening, without any real analysis of the causes. Market crash? President's fault. Hurricane? President's fault. Obama suffered low approval due to the recession actually caused by the Republicans and the voters responded by giving Republicans more power. If anything, this is going to knock him from 34 to 32, no matter what he does. He could drink a magic goblin potion that gives him the courage and strength and intelligence of Obama and he'll still lose points over this.
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Aug 27, 2017 17:00
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glowing-fish posted:My best yardstick for this is Hurricane Ike, in 2008, which pretty much directly hit Galveston, Houston and the ship channel. This is going to be an order of magnitude bigger than Katrina. It will also have a massive impact on national discourse because this time it is going to be lots of white people dying. (I know that many Hispanic and Black people live in that area, but the American public thinks of the area as white and that is how it will be portrayed in the media.) Even if the rain stopped right this minute it would be a Katrina-style disaster from the sheer logistical challenges of feeding and providing for so many people who are suddenly unable to provide for themselves. Even once the water is gone a huge portion of the roads will have to replaced before you can put any amount of heavy traffic on them- the soil in that area is mostly loose clay and a few days of 10+ flowing water will utterly erode the foundations of said roads, rendering them mostly useless. The worst of the worst won;t really begin until the rain has stopped because modern humans require all sorts of material support in order to function/survive- and with the roads washed out its going to be very difficult to provide. (On top of the fact that very shortly a huge number of people will no longer have either shelter or a functioning motor vehicle, leaving them 100% dependent on government support for all their daily needs.) Houston will need a Berlin Airlift level of support to prevent starvation/deprivation related deaths pretty soon. And it is in no way prepared from a personnel, leadership, or infrastructure standpoint to cope with the magnitude of the coming crises.
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Aug 27, 2017 17:02
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"Ever since Harvey entered our Country illegally he has caused nothing but trouble. Crime way up! Wall NOW!"
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Aug 27, 2017 17:03
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Now would be a great time to lean on our amazing relationship with Mexico for aid, huh?
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Aug 27, 2017 17:04
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I had no idea anyone's allowed to have 4-floor wood buildings in hurricane risk areas.
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Aug 27, 2017 17:04
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:We still have another 5 days of rain to go. It's way too early to judge how bad this is. Bad. Take it from a Floridian, this one is probably going to go down in the history books alongside Andrew, Katrina, and Sandy. Harvey is going to be struck from the NHS' list of hurricane names.
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Aug 27, 2017 17:07
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Prester Jane posted:This is going to be an order of magnitude bigger than Katrina. It will also have a massive impact on national discourse because this time it is going to be lots of white people dying. (I know that many Hispanic and Black people live in that area, but the American public thinks of the area as white and that is how it will be portrayed in the media.) Hurricane Katrina killed 1800 people, cost 100 billion dollars, and displaced a million people. So you are saying this hurricane will kill 15000+ people, cost a trillion dollars, and displace 10 million people?
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Aug 27, 2017 17:07
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If gas prices go up it's gonna hurt Trump's approval much more than the death toll.
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Aug 27, 2017 17:08
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Maybe this will finally get Texans to realize that Republicans can't actually get anything done. I still hope I'm wrong and that a proper and adequate response is organized and implemented, and there are no unnecessary deaths.
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Aug 27, 2017 17:09
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Maybe this will finally get Texans to realize that Republicans can't actually get anything done. Ahahahaha. No. You'd think Floridians would have come to that conclusion decades ago.
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Aug 27, 2017 17:10
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Prester Jane posted:This is going to be an order of magnitude bigger than Katrina. It will also have a massive impact on national discourse because this time it is going to be lots of white people dying. (I know that many Hispanic and Black people live in that area, but the American public thinks of the area as white and that is how it will be portrayed in the media.) As someone who lived thru Katrina, I sincerely hope you're wrong.
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Aug 27, 2017 17:11
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Mechafunkzilla posted:If gas prices go up it's gonna hurt Trump's approval much more than the death toll. With this President, who knows. All he has to do is blame one of his favorite targets and he'll get off scot-free with anyone with an R next to their name.
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Aug 27, 2017 17:11
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Maybe this will finally get Texans to realize that Republicans can't actually get anything done.  Good one!It'll cause them to double down on everything awful.
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Aug 27, 2017 17:13
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glowing-fish posted:Hurricane Katrina killed 1800 people, cost 100 billion dollars, and displaced a million people. Possibly, until the rain stops and the flooding slows/stops we won't know. Since it hosed up various oil places and giant economically important cities with little to no evacuations or disaster preparedness and a idiot in charge of the country then yeah I think it will be worse.
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Aug 27, 2017 17:14
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Cythereal posted:Ahahahaha. No. You'd think Floridians would have come to that conclusion decades ago. I guess the upshot is that Florida probably won't be around for too much longer.
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Aug 27, 2017 17:14
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glowing-fish posted:Hurricane Katrina killed 1800 people, cost 100 billion dollars, and displaced a million people. It may or may not displace 10 million people, but it will certainly hit those other two benchmarks. Also the roads are already starting to collapse: https://twitter.com/RosenbergPolice/status/901833657891119104 Supporting six figures of humans that need their every daily need met via resources transported into the area (which is the scenario Houston will be at in a few days) is a massive project that requires serious infrastructure- infrastrucutre that will simply not be there anymore. Its going to take a long time just to repair the roads enough to be able to start repairing anything else (you need modern highways to move modern heavy equipment, especially in the quantities that will be needed.)
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Aug 27, 2017 17:15
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They are doing a controlled release at Conroe dam. https://twitter.com/BLifeConroe/status/901817948628803584 San Jac River and Lake Houston expected to rise 5 feet just from controlled release. Hopefully this is enough and the dam doesn't fail.
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Aug 27, 2017 17:15
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Mechafunkzilla posted:If gas prices go up it's gonna hurt Trump's approval much more than the death toll. Well yeah. It'd be the first thing he did that had a tangible effect on the average American. The rest of his fuckups, while awful in their own way, haven't really affected everyday life for the vast majority of people.
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Aug 27, 2017 17:16
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Prester Jane posted:You sweet summer child. Trump is a clinical narcissist who is literally addicted to adulation. Trump will make this situation about himself, hamper/impair any serious response, and then blame the Deep State for intentionally sabotaging the response to make him look bad.  The NFIP is already ~$24 billion in debt, what's going to happen to it after this? Will this be the event that finally makes people in other low-lying coastal areas (*cough*Miami*cough*) realize they're living in a death trap?
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Aug 27, 2017 17:18
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I wish this kind of disaster would make people think "Well, we don't want coastal cities everywhere to start to face this kind of flooding pretty much forever, time to do what little we can at this point to work against climate change," but I suppose that would be "politicizing" a disaster.
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Aug 27, 2017 17:18
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Extensive Vamping posted:I guess the upshot is that Florida probably won't be around for too much longer. It's not as bad as it sounds. Voldemort is a soulless husk of a man, but he's a soulless husk firmly in Big Sugar's pocket and they do care about hurricanes impacting their profits. It's the steady destruction of Florida's fresh water supplies, collapse of geological strata under the state, and Miami sinking into the ocean that Voldemort doesn't care about.
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Aug 27, 2017 17:18
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Your Taint posted:With this President, who knows. All he has to do is blame one of his favorite targets and he'll get off scot-free with anyone with an R next to their name. I guess the easiest scenario to spin would've been the hurricane being named Hillary
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Aug 27, 2017 17:19
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Grassy Knowles posted:If there is one thing you are absolutely not a credible source on, it’s loving topology. He was trolling you when he did that and the fact that people still try to burn him on it is hilarious
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Aug 27, 2017 17:19
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Maybe this will finally get Texans to realize that Republicans can't actually get anything done. https://twitter.com/NWS/status/901832717070983169 https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/901834887363219458  https://twitter.com/_cingraham/status/901838744751181824
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Aug 27, 2017 17:21
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Cythereal posted:It's not as bad as it sounds. Voldemort is a soulless husk of a man, but he's a soulless husk firmly in Big Sugar's pocket and they do care about hurricanes impacting their profits. You gotta figure there are some important pockets that might be hurt if Orlando gets hit badly enough.
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Aug 27, 2017 17:22
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Bicyclops posted:You gotta figure there are some important pockets that might be hurt if Orlando gets hit badly enough. Orlando doesn't vote red, so Voldemort doesn't give a poo poo. He's only likely to do something if the agriculture industry, especially sugar, tells him to.
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Aug 27, 2017 17:24
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[quote="“theflyingorc”" post="“475798523”"] He was trolling you when he did that and the fact that people still try to burn him on it is hilarious [/quote] The idea that Houston will not be the same city after this is not outrageous and to downplay it shows glowing-fish is still without credibility in these matters. But yes, laugh all you want.
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Aug 27, 2017 17:24
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theflyingorc posted:He was trolling you when he did that and the fact that people still try to burn him on it is hilarious I was posting quite seriously, and uncontroversially. I was surprised at the reaction of the response, and sent them a PM to ask why this is such a defensive subject. The closest comparison we have for Hurricane Harvey seems to be Hurricane Ike, so I was saying, pretty reasonably, that the damage and destruction are probably going to be comparable, while admitting that its not an exact comparison.
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Aug 27, 2017 17:25
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Extensive Vamping posted:I guess the upshot is that Florida probably won't be around for too much longer. Hey, gently caress you too, buddy! Some of us live here and can't afford to move.
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Aug 27, 2017 17:25
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TheKingofSprings posted:I want to put 50$ towards Texas, where would that money be best sent? Direct Relief does good work for disasters like these.
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Aug 27, 2017 17:25
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WampaLord posted:Hey, gently caress you too, buddy! If the Cubans can make rafts so can you buddy!
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Aug 27, 2017 17:27
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Grassy Knowles posted:The idea that Houston will not be the same city after this is not outrageous and to downplay it shows glowing-fish is still without credibility in these matters. But yes, laugh all you want. The mountains thing. He was trolling. It was real obvious.
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WampaLord posted:Hey, gently caress you too, buddy! I was being ironical, should have emoted. Condolences on your vanishing state. I'll bet you could put a mobile home on pontoons if that's any consolation. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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