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Kazinsal posted:I'm finally at the rare point of having an honest-to-god CPU bottleneck in some games. I have a GTX 1070 and an i7-3820, and let me tell you, when you're trying to push 1080p144 that old doesn't-overclock-worth-a-drat Sandy Bridge-E is a problem even with DDR3-1866. I have a 1080 Ti but a 1920×1200 60Hz monitor. 
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Kazinsal posted:I'm finally at the rare point of having an honest-to-god CPU bottleneck in some games. I have a GTX 1070 and an i7-3820, and let me tell you, when you're trying to push 1080p144 that old doesn't-overclock-worth-a-drat Sandy Bridge-E is a problem even with DDR3-1866. My take, from someone who has experienced nothing except I guess the occasional 4/5K iMac: 1440 just seems like a crappy compromise resolution to me. 1080p content doesn't scale well, many of your ultra settings become high settings, etc. All essentially to allow you to buy a bigger monitor without compromising PPI and straining your eyeballs like I'm doing right now. The old adage was that 144hz was important in fast action games, whereas higher resolution would be more appreciated in slower games like sims, strategy, etc. Either go 4K/60 and you can run games at 1080p for now and they'll scale normally and leave you with room for 4K in the future, or build for hyper refresh and sneeze at additional resolution. Although I thought 1440p/144 was kind of the point of a 1080ti.
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Is anyone having issues with OverDrive/Wattman where older GCN cards will default to the lowest unmodified Pstate? I had to update to the latest drivers to "fix" this (waiting for it to break again, but I had my 290X downclock like this on me and nothing fixed it, and I'm wondering if this is a thing and reproducible or if it was an error in the original Crimson installation. Geforce 3 Ti 500 > 9700 Pro > HD 2600 XT > 9600 GT > HD 5770 > HD 7850 > GTX 760 > R9 290X > Godfucking dammit AMD. The only purchase I regret is the GTX 760, should have thrown down the cash for a 770 or 280 instead.
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I've got a 1070 with a 1440p/165Hz G-Sync screen and quite like the combo. Most games I play are around 100-120 fps, AAA titles at Ultra are well within Gsync range (~60-70 fps) and there's plenty of headroom for a faster Volta GPU when the time comes. It's a nice compromise until 4K/144Hz Gsync becomes mainstream. PS: I like that most posters in this thread had a SLI/Crossfire setup at one point but never again, same learning experience here with two 4870s way back when. 
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I had SLI many, many, times. SLI Voodoos like 3 times, SLI Nvidia cards like 4 times, then finally after the 280 single card performance was good enough and all of the problems were annoying enough that I never did it again.
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eames posted:I've got a 1070 with a 1440p/165Hz G-Sync screen and quite like the combo. Most games I play are around 100-120 fps, AAA titles at Ultra are well within Gsync range (~60-70 fps) and there's plenty of headroom for a faster Volta GPU when the time comes.
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Aug 27, 2017 14:58
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How does hdr work with monitors, a retards guide please?
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I love my Korean 27" 1440 monitor, it just keeps truckin' along and outside of a little IPS glow, the picture quality is still state-of-the-art. As far as graphics cards go, I cringe at the money I've spent over the years, although many of the cards were bought used. Creative Savage4 (horrific game support) Voodoo 3 3500 (only 16 bit 3D graphics) Radeon All-In-Wonder(excellent card but $380 in 2000) Radeon 8500 64mb (bought used, still running today) Radeon 9800 AIW(kicked rear end in everything) Radeon X800 AIW(good, but not a huge improvement over the 9800 and almost $500) (2)GeForce 7850GTO's in SLI(gently caress SLI, huge mistake) GeForce 8800GT 320mb(Trying to save money bit me in the rear end when GTA IV came out) Radeon 4870 1gb(loving awesome) Radeon HD6950 2GB(Ok, but quickly kicked to the curb by GCN, RIP Terascale) Radeon HD7950(Still running well, FineWine and all) Radeon 290(bought used, so hot/loud, had to watercool) GeForce 780ti(EVGA Refurb, still kicking along) GeForce 980ti(bought used, used w/waterblock to replace the 290) There were a few more bought used for extra machines, like a Radeon 2600xt and a GeForce 9800gt for a mATX Hackintosh build.
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As I understand it: The backlight of HDR monitors isn't uniform but divided in 384 independent zones that go dark or light up depending on the screen content. Peak brightness of these HDR LED monitors is specified to 1000 cd/m² (typical monitor brightness is 160-200 cd/m²) so you can display content at very high contrast, i.e. by lighting up the center of an explosion to the maximum and completely dimming the surrounding background lighting. I'm guessing it also helps improve black levels because you can just dim or completely turn off the backlight of dark areas. eames fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Aug 27, 2017 |
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Not as extensive as everyone else, but I started off playing WoW on low setting on a crappy school laptop and used a guide on the WoW forums to build a super cheap build for the little 720p TV I had . I went from the 6670 to 7870 in five months since the new WoW expansion requirements rose and I wanted to jump to 1920x1080. I remember it was everyone in this thread going gaga over the GTX 970 price/performance that led me to buy that since the 7870 was choking in Wolfenstein: The New Order. Radeon HD 6670 -> Radeon HD 7870 -> GTX 970 -> GTX 1070
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My graphics card history is a lot of guesses, because I don't know the exact details of what we were buying when I was a kid: ATI Rage 128 ATI Radeon 7000 All-In-Wonder ATI Radeon 9600 (this was my first actual graphics card purchase, I wanted to buy an upgrade at Christmas and had the cash for the 9200 but my cousin upgraded me to a 9600 instead  )Some sort of GeForce, probably midrange. I remember playing Doom 3 and Neverwinter Nights on it at least. Intel Integrated Graphics with a C2D (GMA450?) GeForce 9400M GT (MacBook 1) GeForce 650M (MacBook 2) GeForce 1070 (really glad to be back on a dedicated gaming desktop)
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Craptacular! posted:Although I thought 1440p/144 was kind of the point of a 1080ti. Never read into marketing. That's where fanboys are created. Buy things for your need. AMD and Nvidia could replace a measuring metric that makes no sense like Mega-chimps per second (a benchmark to render as many monkies as possible) and fanboys will pump themselves up for the stupidest reasons defending their choice. AMD has the strongest MCh (Megachimp) per second numbers ever. NVidia does have lower numbers, but those sexy chimps have the fanciest hair through Hairworks!  What I am saying is that buying a product because a company says so is being lured to make a choice. Make the choice something you make by yourself and not because you heard 1440p/144 was "kind of" the point of the 1080Ti. gently caress that poo poo, get a good card for your needs and price point. eames posted:It's a nice compromise until 4K/144Hz Gsync becomes mainstream. Gsync/Freesync will never be mainstream until those two or one is supported by both manufacturers. Until then, while gives you great performance, you are locking yourself into a manufacturer which is a very bad place to be.
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Cirrus Logic 5465 - No OpenGL support, and couldn't even do DirectX properly. I played Shogo on this thing with broken graphics anyway. Voodoo Banshee - This card was actually a Voodoo2 but with the second texturing unit removed and replaced with a 2d chip. You could get 3d acceleration with only one video card, but you lost multitexturing. I would have been better off with a Voodoo 2 and my crappy Cirrus Logic card handling 2d. This thing shipped with branded Monster Fusion drivers that made Windows 98 BSOD on boot. Matrox G400 MAX - A pretty good card. I remember when they started releasing TurboGL hacks so that games like Half Life 1 wouldn't have such terrible performance. Radeon 8500 All-In-Wonder - Had some good times with this card. The pixel shader support was just good enough to make the water in Morrowind look amazing. GeForce 6800 - This was actually an AGP card, because I didn't want to get a new motherboard. Radeon 3870 - Needed something powerful enough for Fallout 3. Radeon 4770 - Gave my old system to my brother and made a slightly newer one for myself. I also liked having a card that didn't draw too much power. Geforce 465 - Actually screw power efficiency GIMME THEM FRAMES Geforce 660 ti - Dang good card right here, lasted me for years. Radeon RX 470 - It's been a good match for my freesync ultrawide. I almost sold it so I could spend that money on a Vega, but I'm feeling okay about not doing that.
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I started PC gaming late, and being in high school went all in on the gaming laptop thing. Started out with a 750m in a Y410p, which over the course of several product replacements due to it being a poo poo laptop made it through to the 755m, the 860m, and then finally the 960m. Around the same time I also built a desktop with a Gtx 760. Wasn't in love with performance, so I bought a second 760 secondhand. SLI wasn't half bad then, and the 760 was a pretty decent card for it, but I upgraded to a 970 a year or two later and that's what's in there now. Also bought a laptop with a 1070 around a year ago since mobile Pascal cards are actually really good this generation, and that'll keep me comfortable for awhile yet.
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Savage4 Geforce2 GTS Geforce 4 9800 X800 8800gt 7850 750ti 1080 Oh yea, a 5770 also. Think I missed a couple. The X800 was a trooper. Trying to play Doom 2016 on a 750ti... wasn't good. GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Aug 27, 2017 |
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FaustianQ posted:Is anyone having issues with OverDrive/Wattman where older GCN cards will default to the lowest unmodified Pstate? I had to update to the latest drivers to "fix" this (waiting for it to break again, but I had my 290X downclock like this on me and nothing fixed it, and I'm wondering if this is a thing and reproducible or if it was an error in the original Crimson installation. What happened to you in this mid-range dark age? Fell into the poor house? You started so well.
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Have no idea what I bought prior to the 8800 but I think it was an AMD card. Nvidia 8800gt - 2007 Nvidia 460 1gb - 2011 AMD 7970 - 2013 ($240) AMD Fury - 2016 ($240) Nvidia 1080 - 2017 Nvidia 1080 ti - 2017 Managed to sell the fury for more than I bought it for due to miners. Then bought the 1080 and managed to sell that for more than I bought it for again and upgraded to the 1080ti.
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I went through old email receipts and stuff, since my memory is terrible and I've been building PCs for a while. I honestly thought I had more AMD in this list. 1995 Matrox Millenium (hot poo poo 2d in the pre-3d days) 1996 S3 Virge (this sucked) 1997 Voodoo 1 (holy gently caress, paired this with the Millenium) 1998 Voodoo 2 12mb 1998 Voodoo 2 12mb (SLI was mind blowing in this era) 2000 GeForce 2 GTS (don't recall exact model, needed it for some game I can't recall that 3dfx didn't support well) 2001 GeForce 3 Ti200 2003 GeForce 4 Ti4200 2005 7800GT 2007 8800GTX 768 2009 HD 4890 2011 GTX570 2011 GTX570 (months later for SLI, then step-up to 680 iirc) 2012 GTX680 2014 GTX970 2016 1080 I know I used Evga Step-Up on that 7800GT, but I can't remember what exactly I stepped up to. Enos Cabell fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Aug 27, 2017 |
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Rather than a personal history, here's a shot at what the best bang for the buck chips of all time are: Voodoo 2 GeForce2 GTS Radeon 9700 Pro GeForce 8800 GT Radeon HD 4850 GeForce GTX 970 What am I missing?
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Thats basically the hall of fame right there. Maybe Voodoo 3 3000 (first 3DFX card that did 2D/3D) and Geforce 4 Ti 4200? Radeon 9700 pro and 9800 pro were high end cards though (both over £300) but were like the GTX 1070/1080 of their day. Halo cards that didn't have any direct competitor at release. Edit: I suppose 9700 pro upwardly revised mid-range to high end pricing like the GTX 1070 did due to lack of competition. I wanted a 9700 pro but could no way afford it. WanderingKid fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Aug 27, 2017 |
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/r/AMD has gone full dolchstoßlegende.  I'm not even convinced that AMD will actually ship a second batch of reference cards at MSRP, let alone that they actually intended to before they touched off a shitstorm with tech personalities worldwide. Might want to hold off on the congratulatory back-patting a little longer before declaring it to be a sinister cabal conspiring against AMD, guys. Although the thought of Steve doing his best Vince McMahon impression is making me a chortle. It would be hilarious if Steve just embraced his new role as the heel.
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The best thing about that Reddit post is people laying into OCUK. Even if they're wrong it's still good to see. Screw those guys.
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WanderingKid posted:Thats basically the hall of fame right there. Maybe Voodoo 3 3000 (first 3DFX card that did 2D/3D) and Geforce 4 Ti 4200? And yeah the 9700 Pro was priced at the high-end but the performance was just obscene at release and was extremely usable for AAA games for 4+ years.
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The Geforce 4 4200 was a really good value card too. Especially with 3rd parties making factory overclocked versions that were clocked at the same speed as a 4600. For like 250 you could get literally the exact same performance as the 400 dollar halo card. If you wanted to overclock it yourself you could get the 200 dollar stock clocked version too. That was the end of the era of having the only difference between high end and lower end cards just be clock speeds. Edit: Haha, beaten. Everyone's so exicted to talk about what a good time the 4200 was.
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Sent from my iPad posted:And yeah the 9700 Pro was priced at the high-end but the performance was just obscene at release and was extremely usable for AAA games for 4+ years. Yeah I edited my post. It was basically the GTX 1070 of its day. It was so far above the usual mid-range $200 dregs. Historically, this is one the rare periods where nVidia gave up and didn't compete.
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Come to think of it, pro-wrestling pageantry is probably not an awful comparison for the GPU market as it exists today. We're probably already at the stage of "ironically" asking whether leather jackets or high heels are better or which CEO could beat up the other in a fight...
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For what it's worth I have decided that if we're having a conspiracy then I'm in. I cannot sit idly by while braver men do the needful. http://doallamdgpussupportfreesyncyet.com/
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Paul MaudDib posted:Come to think of it, pro-wrestling pageantry is probably not an awful comparison for the GPU market as it exists today. GCN is the nWo. Had a moment where it looked like a true rebellion, then sold a whole bunch of product and then wouldn't. go. away.
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I don't remember what were in my mom and dad's first computers, whatever solution 486's had. my dad got into computer gaming and had a voodoo something in his 800mhz p3 system. I remember when C&C Renegade came out and the game would just crash on my mom's computer(celeron600, 128mb sdram), so I tried to upgrade to 192mb ram and bought a geforce2 mx200, but it never POSTed. I struggled for about a year until my dad bought me the parts for my first computer. P4 1.5ghz, 512mb sdram, chaintech 9bja motherboard. I threw the mx200 in and finally realized I'd been bamboozled by the nerds at the computer store (or I was 12). So I learned my lesson and bought a geforce4 mx440, which should have been like twice as good, right. I posted on a Renegade MP server forum and won a geforce4 Ti 4400 in a "guess a number 1-500" thread. I bought a radeon 9800 pro after I started learning about overclocking from the Xtreme Systems forums, first card I really saved up for I guess. radeon X1900 or 1950 pro/xt, can't remember. geforce 8800GTS 512 but it would draw between 24-30A during load, and my PSU was a dual-rail spec that was only rated to 22A. PSU and graphics card both died after a year or two. geforce 660 ti died in a power outage, flicked off and never came back on. radeon 290 from my friend for ~100bux, best value I think I ever got. Well, aside from free. geforce 1080 ti mostly to feel better about myself, wanted to spend a bunch of money to mark my success on a previous job. Also performance increase per dollar. Just smart.
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Eyochigan posted:geforce2 mx200 You basically bought the same graphics card twice. drat GF4 MX, it wasn't even as good as the Geforce 3.
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I think the Geforce 4 MX was unfairly maligned, but the only reason it became unfair was because it was so maligned causing the price to fall so much. It was a good ultra budget card to drop into systems when they had acquired a reputation so bad that people were selling them for the cost of shipping. If the price never fell to "free" it'd be a waste, but as it was it was a technically functional card way better than onboard video perfect for people who just needed 2d acceleration or to put into a system without onboard video.
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Has anyone been so impressed by the build of their GPU that they just wanna open up yer computer and caress it? This EVGA 1080 Ti FTW3 gets me so hard makes me wonder why I ever bothered with poo poo from ASUS, Gigabyte etc. etc.
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craig588 posted:I think the Geforce 4 MX was unfairly maligned, but the only reason it became unfair was because it was so maligned causing the price to fall so much. It was a good ultra budget card to drop into systems when they had acquired a reputation so bad that people were selling them for the cost of shipping. If the price never fell to "free" it'd be a waste, but as it was it was a technically functional card way better than onboard video perfect for people who just needed 2d acceleration or to put into a system without onboard video. Next you're going to tell me you like the Geforce FX 5200 as well
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Are we still doing the GPU history thing? I couldn't really afford to upgrade my graphics card very often. That didn't stop me from buying a couple of subpar cards. Riva TNT (Elsa Erazor II, the PCI version) Radeon 7200 SDR (still PCI) Radeon 7000 to replace the dying 7200 SDR above (thanks for downgrading a naive kid from an already bad card, Future Shop) Radeon 9600 XT (with the Half-Life 2 voucher thing. I was hyped for Half-Life 2.) 8800 GTS (320 MB) GTX 460 (1 GB) GTX 580 GTX 770 GTX 1060 (6 GB) Aside from the 7200 SDR starting to show red artifacts over everything and causing reboots as it slowly died, I luckily haven't had any (hardware) problems with my cards.
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Wirth1000 posted:Has anyone been so impressed by the build of their GPU that they just wanna open up yer computer and caress it? This EVGA 1080 Ti FTW3 gets me so hard makes me wonder why I ever bothered with poo poo from ASUS, Gigabyte etc. etc. Absolutely. It's under my desk with no windows and I kind of still want to pop off the side just to touch how solid and cool my 1070 feels. GAMING
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Arivia posted:Absolutely. It's under my desk with no windows and I kind of still want to pop off the side just to touch how solid and cool my 1070 feels. GAMING Same, only mine's next to my desk with a nice big window, and RGB lights...
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HalloKitty posted:Next you're going to tell me you like the Geforce FX 5200 as well Nope, but I did like the 5600. It was the most powerful PCI card you could get which had a niche use for a little while.
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