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Which is why you target certain low-lying areas and particularly vulnerable citizens for evacuation. Like nursing homes in the lowest sections of the city, for example. The options were not all or none. This is a normal thing to do in hurricane country, and it's loving amazing to me that Houston didn't have a plan.
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facialimpediment posted:Just a side note, there's actually a pretty good reason why Houston didn't have a mandatory evacuation: deaths in traffic during the Hurricane Rita evac. The counter arguement is that this was 12 years ago and not takin Rita as a lesson in unfucking your emergency response and evacuation plans was a bad idea.
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facialimpediment posted:Just a side note, there's actually a pretty good reason why Houston didn't have a mandatory evacuation: deaths in traffic during the Hurricane Rita evac. That would have been a good reason to review and expand their evacuation protocol, not axe it as unworkable. Edit: doh
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Kawasaki Nun posted:That would have been a good reason to review and expand their evacuation protocol, not axe it as unworkable. Da fuk you talking 'bout, boy? That sounds like big gubbermint cawm-u-nism to me. Or if you prefer to imagine a businessman, "but my tax cuts!"
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All solid points, I was earlier under the impression that it was a pure governmental failure to not order an evacuation, turns out it was more complicated (though maybe still dumb). And the ACLU announced their client list attacking the transgender ban. Heavy on enlisted people with Afghanistan deployments. https://twitter.com/jbendery/status/902163608909565956
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facialimpediment posted:All solid points, I was earlier under the impression that it was a pure governmental failure to not order an evacuation, turns out it was more complicated (though maybe still dumb). I saw at the PX that the Marine Corps Times cover story is "where have all of the combat vets gone". Apparently Trump is trying to kick them out.
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TheGreasyStrangler posted:It would make sense that, after you get to the point where you throw your hands up and admit that evacuations will no longer ever be feasible, you go balls to the wall in funding flood protection measures and emergency response so people can survive in place. I don't think much of that happened. That or work your rear end off to upgrade infrastructure to make evacuations more feasible. This probably went down the way Atlanta traffic loving locks down every day. 5-6 lane highways take you to the suburbs, then 3-4 lane highways take you past the sticks, then 2-3 lane highways take you through the wasteland to the next city. The channel gets smaller and smaller and it turns into unending gridlock all the way back into town. the interstate highway system was never intended to accommodate mass migrations. Evacuating Houston isn't feasible without major upgrades to I-10 to San Antonio and I-45 to Dallas, and then I-35 from Dallas to Oklahoma City... and probably upgrades to smaller surrounding cities. Evacuation zones would need to assign a destination for the residents living in it, and the state would need some kind of temporary housing solution, because all of those people can't just rent motels in Conroe. It's a loving fire drill for a major American city and if it isn't managed properly people will get trampled running for the door. Whether the logistics are impossible to manage, is up to much smarter people than me, but until someone figures it out, you're 100% correct... they need to throw billions of dollars at flood relief/protection. facialimpediment posted:All solid points, I was earlier under the impression that it was a pure governmental failure to not order an evacuation, turns out it was more complicated (though maybe still dumb). Yeah, it was pure government failure compounded by 12 year old pure government failure. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Aug 28, 2017 |
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Aug 28, 2017 15:08
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there isnt even enough gas in the area to get a meaningful amount of people somewhere safe
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Internet Wizard posted:I saw at the PX that the Marine Corps Times cover story is "where have all of the combat vets gone". Are you saying every combat vet is a trans?
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Proud Christian Mom posted:there isnt even enough gas in the area to get a meaningful amount of people somewhere safe Houston TX is like the worst possible example you could even imagine to try to prove that point.
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Internet Wizard posted:I saw at the PX that the Marine Corps Times cover story is "where have all of the combat vets gone". Who the gently caress wants to stay in these days besides Mustang to get some uh dat O3 pay or people near retirement?
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shame on an IGA posted:Houston TX is like the worst possible example you could even imagine to try to prove that point. Or just run diesel and just pump mainline crude and roll coal baby! Also police might be getting .50s soon https://twitter.com/samswey/status/902170347541340161
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lol cops with grenade launchers. Can't wait for someone to get their car blown up with them inside for refusing a parking ticket.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:there isnt even enough gas in the area to get a meaningful amount of people somewhere safe Houston to San Antonio is 200 miles. Doesn't seem insurmountable in the least, particularly given you don't have to even go the entire distance to avoid being in an absolutely desperate situation Edit: So are police officially occupying forces now? If not then why the gently caress do they need even half that poo poo?
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Hot Karl Marx posted:Or just run diesel and just pump mainline crude and roll coal baby! gently caress yeah, nothing like an old Cobra to put a dent in the War on Drugs, amirite? No. No I'm not, and this has been a joke. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Aug 28, 2017 |
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NUKES CURE NORKS posted:lol cops with grenade launchers. Can't wait for someone to get their car blown up with them inside for refusing a parking ticket. Saw one of those at the TSA checkpoints at Minneapolis years ago and I still wonder what situation would be improved with a grenade launcher there.
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Chilichimp posted:That or work your rear end off to upgrade infrastructure to make evacuations more feasible. We have a mitigation available: busses. Lots of busses with priorities to get people out of the highest risk areas. To evacuate seniors who don't have cars and poor workers who don't have cars. To evacuate people from high rises that could wind up being inaccessible due to being surrounded by flood water.
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1337JiveTurkey posted:Saw one of those at the TSA checkpoints at Minneapolis years ago and I still wonder what situation would be improved with a grenade launcher there. 40mm tear gas
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Proud Christian Mom posted:there isnt even enough gas in the area to get a meaningful amount of people somewhere safe Yeah, NOW. That's why you start making announcements and talking about it before the loving storm hits. This was absolutely a workable problem.
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I like the (really cold) part. Just to make sure people know what temperatures are cold and which are hot
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M_Gargantua posted:We have a mitigation available: busses. Lots of busses with priorities to get people out of the highest risk areas. To evacuate seniors who don't have cars and poor workers who don't have cars. To evacuate people from high rises that could wind up being inaccessible due to being surrounded by flood water.
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Anyone who describes an above zero temperature as really cold is a weak bitch.
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shame on an IGA posted:Houston TX is like the worst possible example you could even imagine to try to prove that point. The irony of a once in a millennia weather event affecting an oil Town
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Hot Karl Marx posted:I like the (really cold) part. Just to make sure people know what temperatures are cold and which are hot How dare the seasons continue even in the face of rising temperatures. Now where is that boiled frog I ordered?
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Cugel the Clever posted:See also: trains. Trains are indeed very cool and good Houston has some of the worst mass transit in the country though
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M_Gargantua posted:40mm tear gas Yeah I forgot about "not enough screaming and panicking people" being a situation.
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Texas learned nothing from Rita or Ike.
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Hot Karl Marx posted:Or just run diesel and just pump mainline crude and roll coal baby! I for one am excited for Battlefield Hardline to become reality
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NUKES CURE NORKS posted:lol cops with grenade launchers. Can't wait for someone to get their car blown up with them inside for refusing a parking ticket. Grenade launcher at least have a somewhat plausible use, flares and tear gas. Who the gently caress in law enforcement needs a .50 Barrett or a TOW? Or a M2 Bradley? Do we really need the Kentucky State Police to have combat deployment capability?
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Alabama state police purchase three new F-35s for traffic enforcement.
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Cugel the Clever posted:See also: trains. Nice try getting everyone on the train's to the FEMA death camps
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I feel like half this stuff is gonna get lost or end up on the black market or militias. Feels very bad.
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I wish I could say the surplus thing bothers me...But eh it was mostly just an optics action by the Obama Administration and this is the same just in reverse by and large. Although I would say an MRAP seems actually useful for approaching a barricaded suspect or active shooter (and I feel it has been used properly in a bunch of situations). BigDave posted:Grenade launcher at least have a somewhat plausible use, flares and tear gas. Barret is useful for engine blocks and was popular with departments even before you could get it free.
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Blind Rasputin posted:Alabama state police purchase three new F-35s for traffic enforcement. Now I'm picturing A-10s doing gun runs on traffic jams.
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NUKES CURE NORKS posted:lol cops with grenade launchers. Can't wait for someone to get their car blown up with them inside for refusing a parking ticket. Nah that's the new prohibited list. The next post is how big it used to be. Also I didn't know you were trans, Cole
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:Civvy question: How do they control an airspace full of helicopters from a bunch of different agencies and i assume hospital networks too when both airports are underwater? It's kinda been answered, but my old unit in the Air guard was a mobile ATC unit with a mobile radar and ATC tower on the back of a humvee. I'm phone posting, but it's called the MSN-7 if you want pictures. The year I left, we did a joint exercise with the army aviation unit at our base that simulated a hurricane taking out bridges to some of the islands on the SC coast. We set up the radar and mobile tower and controlled the army blackhawks that were flying back and forth, "rescuing" people.
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The Dallas shooter wouldn't have been a problem if they had CAS.
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Blind Rasputin posted:The Dallas shooter wouldn't have been a problem if they had CAS. https://youtu.be/lfH0qQsXXpw
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Blind Rasputin posted:The Dallas shooter wouldn't have been a problem if they had CAS. If the shooter had CAS?
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