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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Well that and the ability is better. IDK that it's strictly better...
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mcmagic posted:IDK that it's strictly better... Abrupt Decay did not gave a poo poo about Kira and no one is playing Lightning Bolt anymore so now your best options are Fatal Push that can't always hit it or Path which is not really that popular lately either.
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Aug 28, 2017 20:48
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TwistedNails posted:I'll forever just call it Sailor Jace. This Jace doesn't even get to Sailor level. This is Cabin Boy Jace.
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Aug 28, 2017 20:51
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Angry Grimace posted:This Jace doesn't even get to Sailor level. This is Cabin Boy Jace. If this Jace is good I will never try to evaluate a planeswalker again.
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Aug 28, 2017 20:59
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mcmagic posted:If this Jace is good I will never try to evaluate a planeswalker again. I mean its probably not good, none of the abilities it has do anything all that interesting or powerful. Unless there's a random Doubling Season reprint incoming which there isn't. The only way it's good is if you can actually spam it's ultimate a bunch, but it isn't like he starts all that close to the ultimate and his plus isn't the protective part (unlike say, Gideon of the Trials or Liliana, the Last Hope). Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Aug 28, 2017 |
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Aug 28, 2017 21:03
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Would that Jace have been too strong if the loot were just a draw?
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Aug 28, 2017 21:08
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I honestly think this Jace will be standard playable
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Aug 28, 2017 21:16
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Fingers McLongDong posted:People still play legacy merfolk? I think most people are referring to modern, where it's probably about even with Kira. It gets benefit from the merfolk lords, but it's worse late game when someone can just pay 3 for a path, where with Kira they'd have to have 2 spells or abilities. It being a merfolk is probably enough to make it just better though. The moment I described was something I did eay back in 2010. Modern Merfolk dorsn't use equipment, but if it did, it would be awkward to use if Kira was in play. I guess a more likely scenario is when you need to use Merrow Reejery's ability to untap one of your own merfolk for a blocker when a Kira is in play. Star Man fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Aug 28, 2017 |
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Aug 28, 2017 21:18
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TheKingofSprings posted:Would that Jace have been too strong if the loot were just a draw? In an aggressive deck like Mono-blue Devotion from RTR-THS? Yes. Going one-drop two-drop Jace draw a card would put your opponent into a bind, because if they focus on your creatures you can ultimate Jace, making two 2/2s and drawing a lot of cards per turn, and if they focus on Jace you'd have already gotten at least one replacement card from him. Of course as it stands the + ability is comically useless so even if you hit the ultimate it doesn't really matter, two basically vanilla 2/2s and some loots aren't exactly threatening. The + ability should have triggered for each creature you hit your opponent with, at the very least. Like if that + ability was just straight up loot, the card wouldn't be particularly powerful, and it's much worse than that.
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Aug 28, 2017 21:21
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 Very glad to have this in standard.... Even if walkers are getting nerfed. Elyv posted:I honestly think this Jace will be standard playable Walkers that make your good board position better and do pretty much nothing on an empty board aren't usually great.
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Aug 28, 2017 21:29
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I mean, I don't think any of the abilities are powerful enough to be worth a card when you have the option to do practically anything else unless there's some kind of trick allowing you to use the ultimate. The color pie seems a little screwy so maybe there's some kind of UG deck I'm not seeing yet with what we've been spoiled on.
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Aug 28, 2017 21:32
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mcmagic posted:
How are walkers getting nerfed?
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Aug 28, 2017 21:34
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Angry Grimace posted:I mean, I don't think any of the abilities are powerful enough to be worth a card when you have the option to do practically anything else unless there's some kind of trick allowing you to use the ultimate. The color pie seems a little screwy so maybe there's some kind of UG deck I'm not seeing yet with what we've been spoiled on. Even best case where you cast a Welkin Turn on T2, Jace on T3 and, attack for 2 and loot seem pretty weak.
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Aug 28, 2017 21:35
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Sickening posted:How are walkers getting nerfed? The 2 best walkers in standard are rotating out and the ones left aren't nearly as powerful? It's going to be Chandra, TOD and that is pretty much it in terms of good planeswalkers as of now.
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Aug 28, 2017 21:36
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mcmagic posted:The 2 best walkers in standard are rotating out and the ones left aren't nearly as powerful? It's going to be Chandra, TOD and that is pretty much it in terms of good planeswalkers as of now. So they aren't getting nerfed at all, the more powerful ones are just leaving. Last hope is still pretty great.
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Aug 28, 2017 21:37
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Sickening posted:So they aren't getting nerfed at all, the more powerful ones are just leaving. Last Hope is gone. As of what we know now, there is 1 Standard staple walker after rotation.
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Aug 28, 2017 21:40
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They're almost certainly gonna push the power level of pirate-Vraska
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Aug 28, 2017 21:43
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If you can deal both first strike damage and normal combat damage, you get to loot twice. An amazing payoff that's definitely worth the effort.
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Aug 28, 2017 21:44
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Lottery of Babylon posted:If you can deal both first strike damage and normal combat damage, you get to loot twice. An amazing payoff that's definitely worth the effort. Preemptive ban on Jace, don't make the same mistake you made with Felidar Guardian WotC.
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Aug 28, 2017 21:57
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Lottery of Babylon posted:If you can deal both first strike damage and normal combat damage, you get to loot twice. An amazing payoff that's definitely worth the effort. http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ADORNED+POUNCER This thing on 2, Jace on 3? Is that even good? What the hell does a 1/1 Double strike attack through?
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Aug 28, 2017 22:01
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mcmagic posted:
I honestly think this has a real chance in legacy. Pithing Needle is a fine SB card and being able to T1 or T2 it and name the fetch in their hand seems solid if you're an Ancient Tomb deck. mcmagic posted:Walkers that make your good board position better and do pretty much nothing on an empty board aren't usually great. I dunno, I think it has potential as a sb card against control. Probably too slow, though. -----------  this card reminds of rogue elephant, which was ok because everything was bad back in the day. Then they remade it as scythe tiger and it was bad. I think this is also bad
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Aug 28, 2017 22:02
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Jenx posted:It just streamlines rules. It removes another corner case and defaults to an already existing rule. That's good. My friends played that game a bit in high school and the only thing worth remembering about that game is that there is a combat phase named FLEX POLITICAL MUSCLE. Angry Grimace posted:This Jace doesn't even get to Sailor level. This is Cabin Boy Jace. Zatara Jace.
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Aug 28, 2017 22:12
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Elyv posted:
Without Hexproof or even Trample I can't see this being a great card. Maybe I'm completely wrong.
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Aug 28, 2017 22:23
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I feel like at one point or another the new Jace +1 probably read loot, but it was deemed too powerful, so they nerf'd it until its current form probably went through a couple revisions. It seems like the effect would be an uncommon blue enchantment that no one would want except the dude drafting a the UW flyers deck
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Aug 28, 2017 22:29
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Lone Goat posted:My friends played that game a bit in high school and the only thing worth remembering about that game is that there is a combat phase named FLEX POLITICAL MUSCLE. *Pushes up glasses up his nose* Well actually, it's an Intrigue phase, not a Combat one. Honestly, the game itself looks fun enough for a 90s card game - it has some neat ideas, lots of room for design, it's just a shame that 1. It just got dropped fast and left to rot and 2. Nobody got around to making the rules more readable.
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Aug 28, 2017 22:31
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Elyv posted:I honestly think this has a real chance in legacy. Pithing Needle is a fine SB card and being able to T1 or T2 it and name the fetch in their hand seems solid if you're an Ancient Tomb deck. It also gets around Chalice, which is the only reason to play Ancient Tomb.
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Wanderwine Prophets going up up up. EDH is a mysterious beast.
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Count Bleck posted:Wanderwine Prophets going up up up. That's an infinite combo with the new wizard commander, isn't it?
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Aug 28, 2017 22:52
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New Jace is loot on damage instead of just loot because they thought that would make it more piratey.
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uninverted posted:That's an infinite combo with the new wizard commander, isn't it? Yup, you can win as early as turn 1 with a godly hand.
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Count Bleck posted:Wanderwine Prophets going up up up. He's not the only one. AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Aug 29, 2017 |
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Count Bleck posted:Yup, you can win as early as turn 1 with a godly hand. How are you cooking up 7UU on turn 1? (4UU for prophets and 3 for the needed Inalla triggers) Also I'm surprised Empress Galina isn't spiking harder/faster if we're talking about EDH nonsense
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mcmagic posted:Even best case where you cast a Welkin Turn on T2, Jace on T3 and, attack for 2 and loot seem pretty weak. That's not best case. Best case in standard is: T2 heart of kiran T3 jace, plus, swing with heart, loot. Then you also have heart on defense (but hopefully it doesn't come to that) I feel like Jace is gonna preorder for way too much, but then drop, and that's when I'm gonna play it in a bad deck.
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Aug 29, 2017 00:36
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C-Euro posted:My opinion is that I've given up on trying to accurately evaluate three-mana planeswalkers so Isn't the Boros one supposedly 2 mana?
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Aug 29, 2017 01:06
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Mezzanon posted:That's not best case. Best case in standard is: Fair. That still isn't all that great.
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Aug 29, 2017 01:57
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Cabin Boy Jace isn't good. It's not bad and it's probably fringe playable but it's not good. Vraska's Contempt though? Is that enough upside for it to not be bad at 4 mana?
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sit on my Facebook posted:Cabin Boy Jace isn't good. It's not bad and it's probably fringe playable but it's not good. 4 Mana is full loving price to kill something. Maybe it's a 2 of in certain tap out control decks but it won't be more than that.
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Aug 29, 2017 02:07
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mcmagic posted:tap out control decks It's an instant?
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sit on my Facebook posted:It's an instant? I thought so...
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