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its an even worse sign than usual because im not from the city they loving flew me in lol
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poty posted:just bombed an interview i think lmao
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Aug 28, 2017 14:38
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make sure you expense them a $100 lunch
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Aug 28, 2017 14:39
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Asymmetric POSTer posted:make sure you expense them a $100 lunch
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Aug 28, 2017 15:27
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seriously though. that's just rude. i never had a visitor leave with an empty stomach. even if i had to pay for it myself.
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Aug 28, 2017 15:28
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who cares so much about their company expenses that they dont buy lunch after flying someone out?
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Aug 28, 2017 15:31
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its just weird. if it was about saving money i guess they wouldnt have booked me business flights? its just a 2 hour flight and business is like 5x economy
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Aug 28, 2017 15:45
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hr were responsible for the flights, people with no social skills arranged the interview?
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Aug 28, 2017 15:52
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Thanks Ants posted:hr were responsible for the flights, people with no social skills arranged the interview?
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did they fly you out for the day or overnight? in either case they owe you the meals between plane rides and it's not even weird to just send them a bill w/ receipts
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Aug 28, 2017 16:04
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no company has ever flown me > coach class  current job will put you in biz for international flights at least I guess
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Aug 28, 2017 16:05
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Lol.
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Aug 28, 2017 16:43
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Interviewing is such loving dogshit and I'm so glad I get to go to work everyday now.
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Aug 28, 2017 16:43
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I know I'm being impatient but how hard is it to schedule an interview when I gave them the availability of "literally any weekday at any time during business hours"?
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ThePeavstenator posted:I know I'm being impatient but how hard is it to schedule an interview when I gave them the availability of "literally any weekday at any time during business hours"? usually when I've done this I've gotten a reply within two business days for a call later that week or early next.
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ThePeavstenator posted:I know I'm being impatient but how hard is it to schedule an interview when I gave them the availability of "literally any weekday at any time during business hours"? If there's two people on the panel and there both busy it can be pretty hard
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InfrastructureWeek posted:no company has ever flown me > coach class
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Aug 28, 2017 20:59
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jre posted:If there's two people on the panel and there both busy it can be pretty hard I'm guessing this is the case. I'm just beyond ready to get the gently caress on to a new job and some real figgies and I've got a good feeling about this place.
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Aug 28, 2017 21:00
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Thanks Ants posted:hr were responsible for the flights, people with no social skills arranged the interview? The last time this happened to me it was all well and good before the lunch part, but when it came to the lunch part I couldn't participate in their conversations about fantasy novels and Fallout and all the other dorky poo poo they were going on about, so I eventually it was decided that I was not a Culture Fit. At least one of them audibly clenched his anus about brace placement, so probably for the best. Also proof positive that your code grunts under management level should have limited input in the hiring process.
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Aug 28, 2017 21:15
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poty posted:just bombed an interview i think poty posted:its an even worse sign than usual because im not from the city they loving flew me in lol lmao that's loving ice cold
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Aug 28, 2017 21:35
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jre posted:lmao that's loving ice cold Welp lol
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Aug 28, 2017 21:37
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poty posted:just bombed an interview i think hah this happened to me recently even worse, they were interviewing several other people for other positions that day, who I met when I arrived. They all got invited to lunch and I didn't :/
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Aug 28, 2017 23:07
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meatpotato posted:even worse, they were interviewing several other people for other positions that day, who I met when I arrived.
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that one is still a bit of a frustrating mystery --I got a call back from them a few months later asking if I wanted to consult for them as a contractor on several projects, which was cool and what I wanted more than full-time anyway so I submitted babby's first bid they emailed me back a week later saying they went with somebody else they didn't say why or try to negotiate or anything... I asked politely too but got stonewalled
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Aug 28, 2017 23:14
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lmao, it's been part of my interview training to be courteous even if you think the candidate isn't up to it because they'll tell other more qualified people if you were a bunch of cunts to them
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jre posted:lmao, it's been part of my interview training to be courteous even if you think the candidate isn't up to it because they'll tell other more qualified people if you were a bunch of cunts to them This is so loving true. Be nice, don't make the interview unfair, and people are way less likely to talk poo poo on you on glassdoor.
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MononcQc posted:That's the one thing I never figured out. Any other team in another business uses chat or email or goes to a conference room and are fine just CC'ing other people. These folks (at least in the main office -- satellite offices are fine) really do everything face to face. This is a ~1000 employees company, with maybe 400 developers. I receive nearly no e-mail aside from people telling others that their tires are flat in the parking lot or that a phone has been found on floor 4. They otherwise use Skype for Business for conference calls (every room has giant microsoft surfaces) but most people don't really use them aside as a way to e-mail their whiteboard drawings to each other. dude you are turbo-hosed i would be looking for a new job already, because the first time someone is looking to cut payroll, your rear end is grass
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InfrastructureWeek posted:no company has ever flown me > coach class i'm not flying 4+ hours in coach that's just a bad look. if you treat candidates this badly, what are you doing to your employees?
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i'm not flying 4+ hours in coach lmao
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By the value they put on face to face meetings, it sounds like nobody there actually does anything much productive.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:dude you are turbo-hosed Eh no it's not so bad. I'm involved in 3 high-profile projects and provide training & recruiting in one full office as well. I get some meetings, but only those where I'm actually necessary and won't be sitting alone doing jack poo poo. I'm not extremely worried, but wouldn't expect them to keep me for a million years either, which is fine. Also at this point I'm not too worries about cutting payroll. They've been growing their market nearly 30% a year for over 10 years non-stop. When it stabilizes and stalls I'll see, but something tells me people, corporations, and governments investing in security and surveillance is not going to become an irrelevant market in a couple of weeks.
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nbsd wrong again?? who could have foreseen this
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"yeah...we only communicate 'face-to-face.' that's totally the reason we haven't been bothering to email/call in that rear end in a top hat who won't come into the office. because we don't do that here, and not because we all generally don't like him or really consider him part of the company. it's because we just have such a weird culture and have never heard of this 'electronic-mail' stuff at this tech company." *emails all coworkers to complain about that useless piece of poo poo again*
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if you had to use skype for business you would also avoid contacting anyone whatsoever
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MononcQc posted:Eh no it's not so bad. I'm involved in [...] training & recruiting in one full office as well. this is another red flag you are deep in the danger zone, son MononcQc posted:Also at this point I'm not too worries about cutting payroll. They've been growing their market nearly 30% a year for over 10 years non-stop. When it stabilizes and stalls I'll see, but something tells me people, corporations, and governments investing in security and surveillance is not going to become an irrelevant market in a couple of weeks. firms are prone to cut dead wood whether or not total payroll costs rise afterwards every high-dollar 100%-remote do-nothing you cut is potentially two new headcount for your division! Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Aug 29, 2017 |
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btw i am not trying to be mean mononcqc. your posting is good and i bet you can actually deliver cool and good stuff for your employer i just want to emphasize you are on thin ice and you should keep a tight focus on actively demonstrating how much cool and good stuff you are delivering! your job situation is intrinsically precarious and it will take effort to overcome the obstacles set in your way
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if mononcqc was just some random dude, you would be 100% spot on nbsd I mean, of course he's only one leadership turnover from being some random dude (and who isn't) anyway continued goongratulations to everyone getting and making and achieving figgies
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:you put your dick in the beehive on this one i'd like to call out this phrase for special appreciation as well while im here, okay thats all
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As an aside, and despite not knowing the facts of this one situation, I can definitely believe that there are organisations out there that earnestly believe that F2F interaction is inherently superior to just answering a question over email. It would probably be run by the same sort of people that get confused at why people have a conversation on messenger at work to a guy who is sitting 6ft away.
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Yeah I always treat it that way (the precariousness and having to demonstrate the value) -- nbsd is right about that. Any employee could benefit to do that[1], but being remote forces you to do it all the time because you do not want to become totally forgotten. Face to face is higher bandwidth, and easier for most people who have a fraction of social capability. It's part for the course and a thing to keep in mind. If you're remote and people won't talk to you, you have to go talk to them. But I'm fine not going to "let's re-discuss prioritization of sub-tasks A-32" and only being invited to "please help us make sure we designed this protocol right" in terms of meetings. This is easier to do when people publish their work internally company-wide, but these people don't really do it, so you have to go in and ask the teams about some projects, or get involved from day 1. Training is a bad sign if you're showing basic training like "how to write babbi's first makefile" or "how to use powerpoint" because they're giving you busy work (or maybe training your own replacement), but right now it's "here's a group of 12 people wanting to use <tool you know>, help train them and show them how to ship software with it". The precariousness of that role is limited to a) doing such a good job they never need training again, and b) the org abandoning that tech -- it's closer to consultation which, while short term, can last a decent while in an org with hundreds of engineers. I would not last very long if this were my first remote job, but I'm at like year 7 of remote work right now and I've seen a few of the patterns around. I'm not too worried and can smell a sinking ship. [1] That's how you get people up the hierarchy to root for you in perf reviews and to give promotions and raises, particularly when Remote, but even when local. Since you can't advocate for yourself behind the closed doors of directors and/or managers giving reviews, your best way forward is to have any single one of them (hopefully not one seen as an idiot) push on your behalf without being prompted to other managers and/or directors. If you don't have that relationship, you'll never have a promotion outside of union rules if any.
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