|
And More posted:I think it's charming. Just old David Lynch sitting in front of his old computer and slowly photoshopping the pattern on Diane's dress so it wiggles back and forth, and then he adds in the rattlesnake sound and goes: "THAT'LL SCARE THE DICKENS OUT OF 'EM." ok I like it a lot more when I picture it like that.
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 15:30
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 15, 2024 13:57 |
|
|
And More posted:I think it's charming. Just old David Lynch sitting in front of his old computer and slowly photoshopping the pattern on Diane's dress so it wiggles back and forth, and then he adds in the rattlesnake sound and goes: "THAT'LL SCARE THE DICKENS OUT OF 'EM." I too can only picture David Lynch talking like Gordon Cole
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 15:30
|
|
|
The special effects are one of the elements of the show that are pure Lynch absurdism. He's been working DIY with software for the past 15 years at least. The old davidlynch.com (RIP) had a ton of Flash animations, etc. that presaged what he's doing in Twin Peaks now. Not to mention stuff like the special effects in Inland Empire, the short he made for OneDreamRush, etc.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 16:34
|
|
|
I'm going to be anime guy now and say that the black lodge effects reminded me of the "barriers" Madoka Magica. It works because it's unreal looking and totally unlike the otherwise completely realistic style of the rest of the story. Diane disintegrating looked like some kind of paper cutout stop motion kids' cartoon. The copy is supposed to be two dimensional and fake, so it makes sense that the way they show their real self makes them look like they're made of cheap cardboard.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 16:40
|
|
|
^^^^^ that's a great example. Not to mention the Bacon and Magritte paintings, Magritte's in particular have brushstrokes similar to the aesthetic of the floating seeds/red curtains. The gold seed in the magritte was larger though, like a tennis ball. I was surprised at the effects the first scene that had them, after noticing it was just more moving paintings from Lynch I settled back into it and never thought about it again.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 16:41
|
|
|
Bibendum posted:Speaking of the fight in the bar at the end of this episode, did anyone else notice or think anything of the person(Monique?) saying "Ed?" (it wasn't subtitled) right before the bottle smash? Dude was wearing a canvas jacket and jeans and had a bit of the high and tight like Big Ed but the voice seemed way different. I would swear that was Bobby Briggs. But he says, "That's my wife!" and Shelly's not there. So, I have no idea. Still looks like Bobby, though.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 16:43
|
|
Gaile Gray Gaile Gray Gaile Gray Gaile Gray Gaile Gray Gaile Gray Gaile Gray Gaile Gray Gaile Gray Gaile Gray Gaile Gray Gaile Gray Gaile Gray
|
Elias_Maluco posted:I too can only picture David Lynch talking like Gordon Cole He literally does though. The only difference between day-to-day Lynch and Gordon Cole is that David Lynch is more soft spoken.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 16:48
|
|
|
RBX posted:Bad Coop seems to love to stick the middle finger to people so I read everything he does as that. He doesn't seem to in as much control as he plays out be. He's really just fumbling through everything. He got real lucky his son followed him so he had a pig to use. Got lucky Ray is an idiot twice. Bad luck with his assassins. Bad luck with Diane. Phillip worked him. But what I wanna know is what the gently caress is he looking for or what does he want? He knows Coop is back but he doesn't know he's what he's doing or where he's at. He doesn't communicate with any black lodge people or anything. So what is he looking for? Is BOB still there in him? Iirc Mike said in one of the episodes that Booper didn't go back into the lodge and that one of him or Cooper must die. So what he wants is pretty clear. If he kills Cooper, presumably the lodge spirits stop harassing or trying to coerce him back into the lodge because at that point he's the only Coop left so things aren't out of balance any more. But as long as there are two of them one of them either needs to die or get sucked back into the lodge. Of course Booper did die but got resurrected by the Woodsmen so not all the lodge spirits want him back in I guess.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 16:49
|
|
|
Wow, hadn't watched the aforementioned short from OneDreamRush in a minute. Uh. https://vimeo.com/23020369
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 16:49
|
|
|
Bibendum posted:Speaking of the fight in the bar at the end of this episode, did anyone else notice or think anything of the person(Monique?) saying "Ed?" (it wasn't subtitled) right before the bottle smash? Dude was wearing a canvas jacket and jeans and had a bit of the high and tight like Big Ed but the voice seemed way different. that was little Ed
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 16:49
|
|
|
chime_on posted:Wow, hadn't watched the aforementioned short from OneDreamRush in a minute. oh poo poo this also explains that weird effect on Dougie and Diane's faces, it's meant to be like a hatching egg
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 16:50
|
|
|
King Vidiot posted:He literally does though. The only difference between day-to-day Lynch and Gordon Cole is that David Lynch is more soft spoken. Yeah, wasn't there that Naomi Watts interview where she said that Lynch just kinda stands on set with a megaphone and yells at people? e: yeah 5:30 here, with bonus Lynch impression. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLreaAQA9kA&t=331s Pinterest Mom fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Aug 29, 2017 |
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 16:55
|
|
|
I've seen behind the scenes footage of Lynch talking to people six feet away from him through a megaphone, it was cool as hell
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 16:56
|
|
|
TheMaestroso posted:They're absolutely intentional. They look more like sculpture art than people, which adds this feeling of unease and horror at what's being seen. In fact, pretty much every corpse in the show has been like this. Reminds me of the crime scenes from Hannibal. Shot to accomplish a certain effect with realism as a completely secondary concern.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 17:58
|
|
|
I'm still holding out hope that the real sheriff Truman returns. I believe! Is it just him and Donna that never came back from the original series? I guess drawer knob Josie counts too
|
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 18:09
|
|
|
I love the effects because they a: make great use of Lynch's sculpture, painting, and animation talents and b: are so utterly unconventional that they break the standard language of effects and convey something otherworldly by being thoroughly unexpected and fresh. Not only are they entertaining to watch, but they're artful and creative and meaningful, which puts them head and shoulders above the masses of dully acceptable "normal" effects. If Diane's tulpa had disappeared in a conventional manner, it would've had almost no impact because there's really nothing in the conventional visual language that's, you know, unconventional, and would've given us no new information (however mystifying) about the situation. I love that they break the language, because it short-circuits the part of your brain that you've trained to "read" visual storytelling and produces something that's actually otherworldly. It obviously doesn't work for everyone, but little things like Diane freezing for half a second or how they whip out of the frame are spookier and more dreamlike than anything I've seen in any movie in a long time.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 18:13
|
|
|
Magic Hate Ball posted:I love the effects because they a: make great use of Lynch's sculpture, painting, and animation talents and b: are so utterly unconventional that they break the standard language of effects and convey something otherworldly by being thoroughly unexpected and fresh. Not only are they entertaining to watch, but they're artful and creative and meaningful, which puts them head and shoulders above the masses of dully acceptable "normal" effects. If Diane's tulpa had disappeared in a conventional manner, it would've had almost no impact because there's really nothing in the conventional visual language that's, you know, unconventional, and would've given us no new information (however mystifying) about the situation. I love that they break the language, because it short-circuits the part of your brain that you've trained to "read" visual storytelling and produces something that's actually otherworldly. It obviously doesn't work for everyone, but little things like Diane freezing for half a second or how they whip out of the frame are spookier and more dreamlike than anything I've seen in any movie in a long time. 
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 18:25
|
|
|
That except they would still be more effective if they didn't look like a child trying out computer graphics for the first time. I dig most of them but stuff like Diane's shuddering just looks amateur as poo poo and no terrible "but it's good because it's not what you expect!!!" argument can cover that up
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 18:30
|
|
|
Escobarbarian posted:That except they would still be more effective if they didn't look like a child trying out computer graphics for the first time. I dig most of them but stuff like Diane's shuddering just looks amateur as poo poo and no terrible "but it's good because it's not what you expect!!!" argument can cover that up Except some parts of the effects look quite professional, look at fat Dougie's hand morphing to become smaller. That looks completely real. The "flat" or kusoge-style parts of the effect aren't like that because of low budget or incompetence, but as a design choice.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 18:35
|
|
|
Escobarbarian posted:That except they would still be more effective if they didn't look like a child trying out computer graphics for the first time. I dig most of them but stuff like Diane's shuddering just looks amateur as poo poo and no terrible "but it's good because it's not what you expect!!!" argument can cover that up wurx 4 me sory it dunt wurk 4 u : - (
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 18:41
|
|
|
Yeah Diane's shoulder shimmy was actually just trash and even if it was on purpose, it looked really bad.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 18:44
|
|
|
Escobarbarian posted:That except they would still be more effective if they didn't look like a child trying out computer graphics for the first time. I dig most of them but stuff like Diane's shuddering just looks amateur as poo poo and no terrible "but it's good because it's not what you expect!!!" argument can cover that up I think a lot of the reason I think it looks "amateurish" or whatever is because the effect is meant to play with your sense of dimension, i.e. things that should be three dimensional all the sudden look and feel two dimensional. I think it's 100% purposeful because the Lodges play into that, we're being visited by entities that seem to be able to traverse other dimensions that we don't yet understand. zelah posted:Yeah Diane's shoulder shimmy was actually just trash and even if it was on purpose, it looked really bad. Pretty sure it's exactly the kind of technique used to make the Red Room scenes so offputting in the original series. The movement is unnatural, and it's supposed to be that way. So you just maybe don't enjoy Lynch's aesthetic but it has nothing to do with the quality of the effects.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 18:46
|
|
|
With computer graphic effects in general usually the goal is, or is assumed to be, realism. With Lynch that's not necessarily the case, anymore than that was the goal of practical effects like smoke machines suddenly filling the room with smoke after Diane's suicide in Mulholland Drive. If you've seen Lynch's paintings and visual art the effects in this season look much like those, and some even appear to be copied directly. TwoDogs1Cup posted:I'm still holding out hope that the real sheriff Truman returns. I believe! Is it just him and Donna that never came back from the original series? Pete and Catherine, too. Jack Nance is dead, of course. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Aug 29, 2017 |
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 18:47
|
|
|
Lord Krangdar posted:With computer graphic effects in general usually the goal is, or is assumed to be, realism. With Lynch that's not necessarily the case, anymore than that was the goal of practical effects like smoke machines suddenly filling the room with smoke after Diane's suicide in Mulholland Drive. Also Josie and the little man Man, I still cant believe that Lynch made we wait 16 episodes to give us Cooper, and that it worked so well and was so satisfying. If someone told me a year ago that in the return of twin peaks we would have the long awaited return of Cooper delayed for 80% of the show, while following the adventures of Dougie the Catatonic hero and Bad Cooper the supervilain, I would say they it would be crap. It was so good, though And Kyle truly deserves all possible awards for his amazing performances with all those characters edit: vvvvvv idk, one was "the arm", the new one is "the evolution of the arm". I guess it counts as a new character Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Aug 29, 2017 |
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 19:08
|
|
|
Elias_Maluco posted:Also Josie and the little man His actor didn't appear but the character did, as with BOB and Jeffries.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 19:10
|
|
|
Elias_Maluco posted:Man, I still cant believe that Lynch made we wait 16 episodes to give us Cooper, and that it worked so well and was so satisfying. If someone told me a year ago that in the return of twin peaks we would have the long awaited return of Cooper delayed for 80% of the show, while following the adventures of Dougie the Catatonic hero and Bad Cooper the supervilain, I would say they it would be crap. It was so good, though I was pretty certain Cooper would be stuck in the lodge until the last episode, and that the show would revolve around finding a way into the lodge to rescue him. I don't think anybody on earth could have predicted Dougie Jones lol
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 19:20
|
|
|
kaworu posted:Very early on in the first or second episode, he pointedly tells Ray that he doesn't "need" things, he "wants" things. Later he shows the playing card with the symbol of The Mother drawn on it, and before killing Darya explains to her that this is what he wants with more passion in his voice than anything else he's really said since. This is back a page, but the "I don't need things" lines are word for word from The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer. So that part at least is Bob talking, or Bob and booper's interests perfectly aligned. My sense is Bob is the power and booper the ambition (basically what Whindam Earle wanted to be), and booper has more understanding about their enemies within and outside the lodge.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 19:35
|
|
|
eSporks posted:Diane is in the sherrif's station, she is not her. Who else in the sherrif's station has white hair? My implausible theory is that the Diane in the Sheriff's station is trapped inside in the bleeding mouth guy (not Naido) because he just repeats the last thing that he heard like not-yet-awake Cooper
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 19:42
|
|
|
Polo-Rican posted:I was pretty certain Cooper would be stuck in the lodge until the last episode, and that the show would revolve around finding a way into the lodge to rescue him. I don't think anybody on earth could have predicted Dougie Jones lol I dont think anyone on earth could have predicted most of what happened in this show And speaking of unpredictable, I loved how that when Audrey scene started I was "well I guess she is in reality, after all, unlike what people predicted" and then.. wait what And the 2 super killers getting murdered by an angry neighbour while the FBI and the Mitchum brothers watch. And Diane's reveal and death. This episode was a big  from beginning to end
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 19:42
|
|
|
Pigthe posted:My implausible theory is that the Diane in the Sheriff's station is trapped inside in the bleeding mouth guy (not Naido) because he just repeats the last thing that he heard like not-yet-awake Cooper Ewww then that means that Audrey has been bonking Diane
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 19:48
|
|
|
I think it's going badly underappreciated that Candie is going to Twin Peaks, possibly to meet Andy and Lucy, and if there is any justice to get adopted by them. e: not that she isn't in good hands right now, I mean, they have hearts of gold.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 19:49
|
|
|
I want Candy to get a job at the RR edit: pls change the thread title to Twin Peaks The Return: FINALLY Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Aug 29, 2017 |
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 19:50
|
|
|
My Lovely Horse posted:I mean, they have hearts of gold. They Do. They Really, Really Do.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 19:58
|
|
|
i love the drat super mitchum bros
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 20:00
|
|
|
My Lovely Horse posted:I think it's going badly underappreciated that Candie is going to Twin Peaks, possibly to meet Andy and Lucy, and if there is any justice to get adopted by them. The actress who plays Candie has done a really good job. I love her mannerisms.
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 20:02
|
|
|
My Lovely Horse posted:I think it's going badly underappreciated that Candie is going to Twin Peaks, possibly to meet Andy and Lucy, and if there is any justice to get adopted by them. the mitchum brothers get adopted by andy and lucy
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 20:05
|
|
|
The Mitchum brothers start dressing in flannel and buy a stake in the great northern and/or jerry's weed business
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 20:06
|
|
|
I genuinely really hope the Mitchums + showgirls end up settling in Twin Peaks. I doubt it'll happen but it would be hilarious
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 20:08
|
|
|
Mover posted:The Mitchum brothers start dressing in flannel and buy a stake in the great northern and/or jerry's weed business This is the best argument for a fourth season I've seen yet
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 20:11
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 15, 2024 13:57 |
|
|
The Mitchum Brothers go up to 2 peaks and get arrested immediately because although they have hearts of gold, they also have a litany of priors
|
|
#
?
Aug 29, 2017 20:18
|
|