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Not to get into an argument with a meme but I thought the MP 40 was fairly well regarded.
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There wasn't anything particularly special about the MP38 and MP40, but they were solid, reliable designs that made a perfectly adequate short-range weapon. They suffer in magazine capacity to the more famous Soviet designs, and aren't quite as accurate as the Thompson (which was closer to the modern definition of a carbine in size and weight), but they served quite well.
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Aug 28, 2017 23:09
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bavarians own hth
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StashAugustine posted:bavarians own hth Yeah is this supposed to be about how prussians are good? I'm getting the opposite tbh
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Aug 29, 2017 00:19
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Napoleonic Bavarian uniforms are styling.
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Aug 29, 2017 00:21
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zoux posted:Not to get into an argument with a meme but I thought the MP 40 was fairly well regarded. They were good. The metal stamping technique for the MP40 was really, REALLY great for the time and helped make SMGs cheap enough to be ubiquitous.
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Aug 29, 2017 00:55
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Cyrano4747 posted:They were good. The metal stamping technique for the MP40 was really, REALLY great for the time and helped make SMGs cheap enough to be ubiquitous. Honestly most of the ww2 sub machine guns were pretty nice shooting guns because they were bulky enough to be controllable in full auto and they were still pretty handy.
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Cyrano4747 posted:They were good. The metal stamping technique for the MP40 was really, REALLY great for the time and helped make SMGs cheap enough to be ubiquitous. Cheap and ubiquitous enough that Soviet documents from the era generally refer to German infantry as submachinegunners. The post-war stereotypical image of a German soldier also invariably includes an MP-40.
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Aug 29, 2017 02:57
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Panzeh posted:Honestly most of the ww2 sub machine guns were pretty nice shooting guns because they were bulky enough to be controllable in full auto and they were still pretty handy. The Reising wasn't well liked. Under good conditions it was probably better than the Thompson in several categories but it wasn't used in good conditions. In the harsh conditions of the South Pacific it stood out for it's poor tolerance to dirt and wet.
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Ensign Expendable posted:Turns out that sandbags do actually work to resist Panzerfausts, if sandwiched in between metal plates. Interesting that on some models of T-72 the armor has a void filled with 'sand'. Not sure what the composition of the 'sand' is. Also, water and fuel do provide some added protection to HEAT and by mass is more efficient that RHA but being less dense you need quite a bit of it for a noticeable improvement. Fuel tanks are often placed such that they provide a little extra protection, famously the drivers compartment of the M1 Abrams has fuel tanks lining the sides because it provides a little more protection as long as they are full (those tanks are the last to drain).
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Aug 29, 2017 13:42
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Ensign Expendable posted:Cheap and ubiquitous enough that Soviet documents from the era generally refer to German infantry as submachinegunners. The post-war stereotypical image of a German soldier also invariably includes an MP-40. IIRC towards the end of the war entire German formations were being armed with SMGs, what time period are these documents from? HEY GAIL posted:that face swims queasily into your mind, like sebastian gorka too soon 
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What are some of the rarest tanks that have seen action? I know during WWII, there was a single Porsche Tiger (the only one not modified into a Ferdinand) that fought and was destroyed in Poland, and the Soviets used both the KV-3 prototype and the SU-100Y at Leningrad and Moscow, respectively.
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Murgos posted:The Reising wasn't well liked. Under good conditions it was probably better than the Thompson in several categories but it wasn't used in good conditions. In the harsh conditions of the South Pacific it stood out for it's poor tolerance to dirt and wet. Also weird design decisions like having the reciprocating cocking handle be in a slot in the forend of the gun, right where you'd want to put your hand. Slip a finger in during firing? Now you have a broken finger.
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Aug 29, 2017 14:34
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My father allegedly annoyed a lot of boat drivers in Vietnam by making them take out their log "armor"
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ugh its Troika posted:What are some of the rarest tanks that have seen action? I know during WWII, there was a single Porsche Tiger (the only one not modified into a Ferdinand) that fought and was destroyed in Poland, and the Soviets used both the KV-3 prototype and the SU-100Y at Leningrad and Moscow, respectively. Not super rare compared to single-prototype stuff and what-have-you, but P26/40s are pretty rare. The Skink Anti-Aircraft tank should definitely be mentioned. Also depends on what you classify as a tank, I guess
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Murgos posted:The Reising wasn't well liked. Under good conditions it was probably better than the Thompson in several categories but it wasn't used in good conditions. In the harsh conditions of the South Pacific it stood out for it's poor tolerance to dirt and wet. The Soviets despised the Reising. I think it negatively affected how they saw .45 ACP SMGs as a whole. MikeCrotch posted:IIRC towards the end of the war entire German formations were being armed with SMGs, what time period are these documents from? I've seen them all over the place in the war. Murgos posted:Interesting that on some models of T-72 the armor has a void filled with 'sand'. Not sure what the composition of the 'sand' is. The Soviets also found that T-34 fuel tanks are great protection against APCR and HEAT. APHE, not so much, if the tank was full of fumes, that actually enhanced the explosion.
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Murgos posted:The Reising wasn't well liked. Under good conditions it was probably better than the Thompson in several categories but it wasn't used in good conditions. In the harsh conditions of the South Pacific it stood out for it's poor tolerance to dirt and wet. In a lot of ways the Reising was more of a failed, early M2 Carbine than a failed SMG. Reising basically designed his gun as a lighweight carbine that also had a select fire feature. There was a semi-auto only version as well. The biggest advantage it had was that it cost about a quarter what a Thompson did, mostly due to the heavy use of stamped parts. While it was more accurate, it accomplished this through a delayed blowback system that was over complicated and prone to breaking. Simple blowback is dirt loving easy to make work right, but delayed blowback always runs into issues. It's worth noting that the roller delayed blowback developed by the Germans is probably the best implementation of it, but even that has some nasty little issues with parts wear. IIRC the gun couldn't get through 3,000 rounds in testing without a mechanical failure in the bits of the bolt that did the delaying, which is loving atrocious. The Army turned it down flat and the only reason the USMC adopted it was because they were desperate for guns. It's worth noting that when they went ashore at Guadalcanal with Reisings they were also carrying m1903s and the old water cooled m1917s.
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The academic publisher Rowman & Littlefield is having a bigass sale, in case you need some light reading for those cozy autumn evenings. https://rowman.com/Page/17sumsale
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Huh, looks like the Germans used sandbags too. I don't think I've seen any photos of German tanks with sandbags on them, though.
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Ensign Expendable posted:Huh, looks like the Germans used sandbags too. I don't think I've seen any photos of German tanks with sandbags on them, though. I did some light GIS'ing of sandbags and the thinner skinned german vehicles (thinking thats where you'd find the most added armor) and turned up a BUNCH of scale model sets incorporating them. Now, I'm always wary of taking anything modelers say as gospel, but they must be getting the idea somewhere. I also turned up a single image of a PzKpfw IIIN with a bunch of sandbags on it.  They're not nearly as thick or as organized as what you see on Shermans, but it's also a little much to just be where someone set one down for a moment. For what it's worth the model kits also feature the German ones being a little more haphazard and spotty. Maybe it wasn't about slowing AT cannon fire and more about protecting weak spots that had important things (like men) behind them from AT rifles? A sand bag isn't going to do too much against even a 40mm AT round, but it could possibly slow some 12-ish mm ATR penetrator enough to make a difference.
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I think them being on the roof meant that they were protecting from attacks from the air. The document references tanks encountered in Africa, it's a bit hard to hide an anti-tank rifleman in the open desert.
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Ensign Expendable posted:I think them being on the roof meant that they were protecting from attacks from the air. The document references tanks encountered in Africa, it's a bit hard to hide an anti-tank rifleman in the open desert. You mean you haven't seen any open desert anti-tank riflemen.
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Are those pictures made by people who have never seen a history book, or do they spring into existence spontaneously near insane asylums?
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Libluini posted:Are those pictures made by people who have never seen a history book, or do they spring into existence spontaneously near insane asylums? Dying in the largest war in history is easy, comedy is difficult.
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Ensign Expendable posted:I think them being on the roof meant that they were protecting from attacks from the air. The document references tanks encountered in Africa, it's a bit hard to hide an anti-tank rifleman in the open desert. If they're referencing poo poo they saw in Africa it could just be misunderstanding trying to protect the roof from some rear end in a top hat in an airplane with a .50.
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https://gfycat.com/EqualEssentialAxisdeer Are folding card tables a battalion or division level asset
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Libluini posted:Are those pictures made by people who have never seen a history book, or do they spring into existence spontaneously near insane asylums?  It started out as just the "Virgin Walk", with a bunch of traits labelled to shame slightly awkward nerds. Somebody got annoyed and added "The Chad Stride" to lampoon the nonsensical ideations of the 4chan losers sharing the original. Then uhhh more memes happened. imo the ones posted are lame and bad.
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Yeah they're awful and just annoying
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Edit: ^ lol I thought the war one was funny as an ironic use of dumb internet loser philosophy to talk about the wermacht and red army the same way I think interpreting all media in terms of the characters' imagined competing sexual pathologies is funny. It may have been serious though, which is even funnier.
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Go straight to so much hell.
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I didn't think that meme could get any dumber than it is by default, but you proved me wrong. Congratulations.
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Aug 29, 2017 23:09
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Aug 29, 2017 23:13
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This made me laugh far harder than it should've, bravo 
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Gnoman posted:I didn't think that meme could get any dumber than it is by default, but you proved me wrong. Congratulations. I'm ashamed to admit that it made me laugh out loud.
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I read it as "real titties of war" which I think is almost textbook freud.
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You mean American commanders  Don't lump those of us in the Commonwealth in with your crazy bullshit.
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feedmegin posted:You mean American commanders I mean we built cruiser tanks which is not really much better.
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OwlFancier posted:I mean we built cruiser tanks which is not really much better. The only thing they'll be cruising for is cruisin for a bruisin
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