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Wow this dog nippy kid thing really blew up in a big way. If it was just a nip and not a bite I wouldn't personally consider destroying a dog if I could help it. But it's really hard to read the situation without being there or seeing the bite wound. I missed the good socializing window with my dog when she was young and kept her on the farm too much and not around other people and now she is fearful of children. She nipped a toddler when she was about four months old and although I haven't given her a chance to do that again I'm aware it could happen if I don't do some serious work beforehand. I don't know your dog, but it is possible to resocialize most animals to some extent. I really encourage you to seek some professional help and see if they think it's possible to keep the animal. But you also seem very realistic that you might not be able to keep the dog and that the dog may or may not be able to be rehomed. Please don't let some assholes get you down in any way, you obviously care about your dog and already feel lovely already about what happened and are trying to make the best of it. We all make mistakes and miscalculations. Good luck with it. :/ Also, granted I haven't read through much of this thread, but I don't really get the attitude thing. People are coming here for advice, and people that have experience and want to share advice should do that. There is no reason to be an rear end in a top hat when people come to you for advice. If someone is doing something clearly wrong (even if it is negligent) it doesn't usually help the situation in any way by being an rear end in a top hat to them. Ninety percent of the time it'll just make them defensive. The best way to help people (and by proxy their animals!) is to give the best advice you can in regards to behavior and health in a way in which you think they'll be most receptive to it, not by berating people that make mistakes or are ignorant of dog behavior and modern training methods. Remember that dominance models of dog behavior used to be the accepted thing and that if you or I were taught dog psychology twenty years ago we would have bought into that as well! Anyways, I'm not a terribly experienced handler (heck my dog wouldn't even recall off the poultry today until I sat in the grass for five minutes waiting til she got tired of circling) or a vet (I was just taught by one and I can do minor birth assists and treat injuries), so I'm not qualified to help in the other thread. If I was, I'd want to resurrect it with some other people because there is so much bad information on the internet that I'm happy when people are even asking questions and we can prevent them for ending up with some lovely advice telling them to beat their dog until it listens or whatever.
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Sprue posted:But it's really hard to read the situation without being there or seeing the bite wound. Punctures on one arm and tears on the other ain't the greatest case calling for nuance.
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Engineer Lenk posted:Punctures on one arm and tears on the other ain't the greatest case calling for nuance. Eh ok guess I skimmed the post too quickly
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Supercondescending posted:yeah all the old PI posters just moved to a FB group because we got tired of holding babies hands and getting yelled at/probated for not doing it politely enough literally all the time sry This. This thread is constantly along the lines of "hey my dog is making GBS threads blood and also foaming at the mouth, do you think I should give it a hug?" levels of bad for the people who wouldn't mind helping and being nice about it. It's like sandpaper on your eyeballs. It's why I just walk in and go "no you idiots" and leave again for months at a time because otherwise I'd go insane. Imagine if A/I had a thread that was literally "if I turn this key in my car will it start?" only the key was made of playdough and everybody was like "I dunno but here's some youtube links!, we like love and rainbows!". Then a long time poster was like "are you retarded? that's playdough." and everyone got really offended because the old poster pointed out the goddamn key was made of playdough. I'm terrible at analogies and I don't care.
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Sprue posted:Eh ok guess I skimmed the post too quickly It was a direct response to something you asked. I'll hold off on the pointed barb I'd like to add in deference to your call for a kinder, gentler tone.
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its extremely this and literally until this very mod, we had mods who were like "LOL PSYCHO ANIMAL LADIES" when we were like "no idiot. playdough." so we just stopped. What the gently caress do we gain from giving advice when people a) dont listen b) get defensive c) we are repeating the same poo poo over and over for y e a r s and d) we got probated or banned for not acting like excited kindergarten teachers about it
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A lot of folks also dont read the drat OP at a minimum, I get where it seems unfriendly but when you get folks in here doing the dog equivalent of cutting out the floor joists under a bathtub its pretty hard to be in the slightest bit nice about it
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Waroduce posted:Don't help the thread for the tarded owners do it for the doggies I dunno, I'd rather be told that I'm a dipshit if i'm being a dipshit. Any other site in the world will give you tons of cuddles and advice and hell even kudos even when you are completely objectively wrong. 
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Waroduce posted:Don't help the thread for the tarded owners do it for the doggies If you cover it with bullshit fluff and kisses it doesn't matter and it doesn't help the doggies. sneakyfrog posted:I dunno, I'd rather be told that I'm a dipshit if i'm being a dipshit. Any other site in the world will give you tons of cuddles and advice and hell even kudos even when you are completely objectively wrong. I don't even think anybody's been particularly harsh to this most recent dude. Just. Yeah dude he hosed up and now his dog is pretty much a dead dog walkin'.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:Yeah dude he hosed up and now his dog is pretty much a dead dog walkin'. eh, I dont think the dog is hosed up, most likely jealousy issues. I was just more concerned with the nonchalant euth my dog talk.  thats not how we treat our buddies. 
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sneakyfrog posted:eh, I dont think the dog is hosed up, most likely jealousy issues. I was just more concerned with the nonchalant euth my dog talk. Naw man I think the -guy- hosed up. And honestly any dog who has a puncture wound record like that on kids sincerely, honestly, we're talking 95-99% of the time, goes night night. That dog sounds totally trainable and fixable and if he doesn't wanna euth the dog himself or face the fact that it's going sleepy time the second it gets to most shelters, most resource guarding isn't a nightmare to fix. I'm saying most, not all, because hell I dunno the dog and maybe it turns into a sociopath beyond all other measures about His Couch. But generally speaking, resource guarding is fixable.
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I want to shitpost about my dogs, because having dogs is amazing and also fairly new to me. I want to ask inane questions, like why does my dog only have 9 nipples? (It's common and apparently means nothing.) Is there another thread for that? The OP is 5 years old and while it stills seems good and informative, I like to know an actual person is listening. I've been reading PI dog threads pretty much since I got an account, even though I didn't have a dog or plans to get a dog. I was very nervous after I brought home my first dog, not because of anything in particular, it was just all very new. It's reassuring to chat about. Thanks PI.
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GoodBee posted:
Even meanie people? Honestly despite your initial nervous stuff you seem to be doing fine. Shitpost away friend.
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Aside from the post telling me to give up my kids, I said I deserved the scorn from the thread. I wanted to clear up misconceptions. First, I was in the same room but my view was blocked when it happened. Doesn't change the fact that it happened but I didn't leave him alone with the dog completely. Second, my son was bitten on one arm just once, not both arms multiple times. Third, we're still assessing our options and I'm still checking with shelters. I came to ask if there was other options besides euthanizing the dog because I KNOW I hosed up and I don't want the dog to die because of my screw-up. You can resume poo poo-posting on me now. I probably will not be back but I WILL learn from this. DTaeKim fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Aug 30, 2017 |
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Have you contacted a trainer or behavior expert-y person?
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I've found a veterinarian behavior specialist in our rural neck of the woods. Cost looks like an issue though, we're talking $160 an hour and I will need to talk to the wife. What can I expect from a session like this?
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DTaeKim posted:I've found a veterinarian behavior specialist in our rural neck of the woods. Cost looks like an issue though, we're talking $160 an hour and I will need to talk to the wife. What can I expect from a session like this? In most cases, its going to be a lot of "do stuff around the dog" to find whats going on, a good one will do it in your home with the kids around and in the dogs setting to actually determine what might be going on. In a lot of cases they just watch you interact with the dog, and offer tips and pointers. I had a similar issue with a hound dog when new animals were introduced to the house, puppo felt like other dogs were "taking his spot" or "replacing" him and he started acting out with teethy fun. Fortunately I had already soft mouth trained the guy so the worst case was a lot of posturing and the lamest faux-biting ever seen so it wasnt that hard to break. The pit bully on the other hand took almost 6 months due to her overall age and the level of neglect that she had been through and honestly she still really doesnt like much of any animal or person asides from myself. But she doesnt bite anymore fortunately, for a while i pretty much just kept her leashed to me the whole time she was out of the crate due to her aggression level at first. I think 99% of dogs are totally salvagable even coming from some seriously hosed up poo poo. It just depends on your level of commitment, and safety concerns obviously.
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sneakyfrog posted:Even meanie people? Even meanie people. I got so comfortable that I went and brought home a second dog. Now Dog2 is nervous. I knew Dog2 was kind of a nervous weirdo when we met her. She'd been at the shelter for 2 months and they'd been working with her, she was kind of a project for some of them. I've been working on the basics and trying to make sure she's acclimated before doing anything else. We're doing as expected on leash manners, sitting, coming when called and staying when I leave the house. My biggest issue right now not accidentally rewarding behavior I don't want to encourage. I have to acknowledge that it's bad behavior, figure out if I'm encouraging it, and then do something else. I also don't want Dog1 picking up new annoying behaviors from Dog2.
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GoodBee posted:Even meanie people. I have always had the luck of having 3-5 dogs in the house and the majority are usually decently trained which makes training a new one an absolute fuckton easier, as half the time i dont have to correct behavior because the other dogs are already on it. But its really swell you are working on project dogs, they do take some time but holy poo poo its rewarding.
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This thread was really valuable to me, as about 18 months ago I decided I wanted to own a dog. I accidentally have 3 now. 4 if you count the cat that understands "kennel", sleeps in the kennel with the animals when they nap during the day, sits when I bring out treats with the other dogs. So if you are angsty about this thread (80% is warranted, the other 20% isn't imo) atleast know you helped me out! http://imgur.com/a/pa5Py I can't remember how to post pictures because I am bad and getting old. The long haired miniature dachsund is Layla. We rescued her from a puppy mill. Lots of anxiety problems we had to overcome with her, and she's doing great and so happy. Still is afraid of me occasionally, I think a man abused her. Patrick was our first, he's the short hair with the dapper sweater. He's about a year and a half old now, and was our first puppy experience. Perry is the beautiful Husky. Everyone told me not to get a Husky. Everyone was wrong and lazy. Lots of puzzle games, intricate stuffed kongs and a fenced in back yard where he runs off his energy with his little brother tucker this guy out every night. No behavior problems, no chewing, no house breaking problems. He sleeps most of the time he's inside. 7 months old. He's in a kennel for about 6 hours a day 4 days a week, so I make sure we do an activity together each night and he has free roam of the back yard and I don't make the dogs sleep in their kennels. Yes, sometimes he will tear rear end through the house at 90 MPH because he's got the zoomies, but that's part of owning a hyper breed. That's my indicator that we need to put his back pack on and go for a walk. Now that my work life balance is getting better, I am going to get serious about training Perry (the best that I can as he's a husky and will occasionally tell me to go gently caress myself). Lots of good info in the other thread too. bonus perry even puppier puppy picture! http://imgur.com/a/SaeSM
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Mr.Boofu posted:This thread was really valuable to me, as about 18 months ago I decided I wanted to own a dog. I accidentally have 3 now. 4 if you count the cat that understands "kennel", sleeps in the kennel with the animals when they nap during the day, sits when I bring out treats with the other dogs. So if you are angsty about this thread (80% is warranted, the other 20% isn't imo) atleast know you helped me out!  Gorgeous dog. I used to have a husky when i lived up north, but FL is way too hot for them.
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Hi all. We rescued a 3-4 year old English cocker spaniel. We already have two cocker spaniels. The problem we are facing is that one of our dogs absolutely wants to murder the new one. He will instantly attack him and not in a playful manner, but biting as hard as he can. The other dog then also joins in. Does anyone have any kind of advice? We've tried introducing them to each other outside the house, using cages, fencing off the dogs, nothing works.
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sneakyfrog posted:I have always had the luck of having 3-5 dogs in the house and the majority are usually decently trained which makes training a new one an absolute fuckton easier, as half the time i dont have to correct behavior because the other dogs are already on it. But its really swell you are working on project dogs, they do take some time but holy poo poo its rewarding. My problem when training Dog1 was she's got such good manners that she usually does exactly what I want her to do own her own. She's a hard-headed hound though and will occasionally be stubborn if I want her to something she doesn't to do. We're working on that as it comes up. Dog2 doesn't really feel like a project since I feel like I was given the best information available by the shelter and knew what I was getting into. There was also a gap of a few days better meeting her and bringing her home because she needed to be spayed so I could prepare a little. Dog2's bad behavior is licking and jumping. Some people love puppy kisses. It was probably encouraged at the shelter, even my vet said she loves puppy kisses. Maybe my best bet would be to teach her to only give kisses on command? I have friends who love puppy kisses so I could probably enlist some help training her to wait until you say "kisses" before licking someone all over. Is that a good idea? Dog1 wasn't much of a jumper to begin with but Dog2 gets excited and bounces around. Sometimes Dog1 is waiting patiently and I'm waiting for Dog2 to chill the gently caress out, I can see that Dog1 is trying to figure out what's the expected behavior and she'll try out a bounce to see if that's what I want. I'm working on figuring out my timing on rewarding/praising them.
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ravenkult posted:Hi all. We rescued a 3-4 year old English cocker spaniel. We already have two cocker spaniels. The problem we are facing is that one of our dogs absolutely wants to murder the new one. He will instantly attack him and not in a playful manner, but biting as hard as he can. The other dog then also joins in. Crate and rotate if you're really intent on keeping the dog but don't feel bad about taking it back. Not all people get along, not all dogs get along.
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ravenkult posted:Hi all. We rescued a 3-4 year old English cocker spaniel. We already have two cocker spaniels. The problem we are facing is that one of our dogs absolutely wants to murder the new one. He will instantly attack him and not in a playful manner, but biting as hard as he can. The other dog then also joins in. Yeah, what Fluffy Bunnies said about crate rotating and not being afraid to take the dog back. But I'm concerned that if your original dog is ornery enough to be biting other dogs that maybe adding another dog into the mix might not be a great idea. Sometimes, like people, dogs can sort out their differences, but also sometimes dogs start out getting along and tension builds and they can learn fear/aggression patterns even after living with each other for ages. If a dog has enough issues that it is sinking teeth into other dog I'd really warn you against adding another dog unless your heart is really set on it, because it could end up trouble down the road. If I were you I'd talk to whatever rescue placed this new dog with you and explain the situation to them and return the dog before you fall more in love with it, and if you are dead set on adding another dog to your mix, to make sure you introduce your old dog to whatever new candidates there are, preferably somewhere neutral, to make sure they at least initially get along before trying them at your house. Good luck! (ps - if you're really, really not interested in returning the new dog, please please don't leave them alone together, even if they seem to be sorting out their issues with one another. I've known many dogs that were left alone together and the owner came home to missing bloody ears or much worse and there were always warning signs beforehand but the person usually says "but they seemed to be getting along better lately...")
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DTaeKim posted:I've found a veterinarian behavior specialist in our rural neck of the woods. Cost looks like an issue though, we're talking $160 an hour and I will need to talk to the wife. What can I expect from a session like this? Going to a vet behaviorist is like going to a therapist. The first session you talk all about the dog's history, what you need help with, what your expectations are, what your limits are, and what might be the outcome if you don't get help. They'll ask you a million details about your life and the biting incident and any other problems you have with the dog. If you're like me you will suddenly realize that while you called them in for one specific thing it's probably the tip of iceberg. The vet behaviorist will then give you a ton of homework from management options to training new behaviors, products to look into, etc. They'll help you understand what expectations you can have and what might be a fantasy. They should give you a long term plan of how to tackle the problem and will expect some followup either in person or on the phone. My dog required medication so that was another step but that wasn't suggested right away and we tried some over the counter stuff first. It is definitely an investment in both money and time. They don't come in like Cesar Milan and "magically" fix your dog by scaring the poo poo out of it. They give you guidelines and a plan but you have to take the initiative to put it in place and put in the work. I love my vet behaviorist and don't mind all the money I have spent there because it means my dog is safe and happy and I know how to keep him that way. She was there when things got bad to let me know I wasn't alone and she's there at my annual visits now to tell her how awesome my dog is. He would have been put down ages ago if I didn't have the vet behaviorist's support. That being said I totally get that not everyone can swing it and there's nothing wrong (in my mind) with knowing your limits and making sure your dog ends up in a safe situation other than your home, either by rehoming it with full disclosures about it's past or euthanasia.
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Sprue posted:Yeah, what Fluffy Bunnies said about crate rotating and not being afraid to take the dog back. But I'm concerned that if your original dog is ornery enough to be biting other dogs that maybe adding another dog into the mix might not be a great idea. Sometimes, like people, dogs can sort out their differences, but also sometimes dogs start out getting along and tension builds and they can learn fear/aggression patterns even after living with each other for ages. If a dog has enough issues that it is sinking teeth into other dog I'd really warn you against adding another dog unless your heart is really set on it, because it could end up trouble down the road. If I were you I'd talk to whatever rescue placed this new dog with you and explain the situation to them and return the dog before you fall more in love with it, and if you are dead set on adding another dog to your mix, to make sure you introduce your old dog to whatever new candidates there are, preferably somewhere neutral, to make sure they at least initially get along before trying them at your house. Good luck! Should have clarified; we straight up rescued this dog from its owners who had neglected it. So there's nowhere to take it back to. We're trying the crating thing for now and looking to possibly rehome him.
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ravenkult posted:Should have clarified; we straight up rescued this dog from its owners who had neglected it. So there's nowhere to take it back to. We're trying the crating thing for now and looking to possibly rehome him. Are you in touch with a local rescue group? They might some resources available. I adopted from a shelter and they recommended a trainer that does volunteer work with them as gives a discount on classes/one-on-one sessions with dogs adopted from that shelter. Before I signed up for classes with him, I researched other trainers in the area and there were quite a few that worked with other rescue groups and breed-specific rescues. It might be worth it to ask. They may also be able to assist with rehoming.
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hey dog thread I got mad at this story and thought i'd share it so we can all be mad together http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Owners-must-surgically-debark-loud-dogs-Oregon-12164111.php quote:Debra and Dale Krein said they could no longer take the barking of the six or more Tibetan and Pyrenean Mastiffs owned by the couple who lived next door for almost 20 years.  quote:Court papers describe the couple's land as a 3.4-acre parcel, populated by sheep, goats and chickens.  i can't imagine why six dogs would spend all day barking in this large suburban backyard bonus edit: quote:Szewc and Updegraff have strongly disputed that. Szewc said the farm made $26,000 last year and it has supplemented their income. how much of this do you think is income from BYB puppies? Mirthless fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Aug 31, 2017 |
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I'm onboard the angry train. That's a drat puppy farm with hastily dismantled breeding pens. Story is pure bullshit, that's not how guarding livestock works on any farm I've ever been on. If they think it is then they are pure morons. For reference, we had one, one pyrenean mountain dog* watching over 3000 - 4000 goats on an actual farm, it's job was to bark really loudly and alert the human with the gun. No one in their right mind uses their guarding dog to protect livestock against poo poo like bears, your fainting goats are your sacrifice if you really need one, not the drat dog. These people say they have the dogs instead of guns, why? The dogs are just going to bark and not do diddly poo poo if an actual predictor turns up, which is exactly what it said happened with the cougar in the article. *That dog was retired and lived it's days out like a king. Huge wildfire was coming and coming fast, we only had time to move part of the herd to the place that looked the least flammable. Dog refused to get into the truck and ran away. Came back two weeks later to find our less flammable place just gone, found every single goat and the dog half a mile away completely safe and unharmed. Good Dog.
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i'm mad because lovely dog ownership necessitated a court order to mangle a bunch of perfectly good (actually probably byb'd to hell) animals that shouldn't have been on that lot in the first place apparently a 200 acre farm is "a good size for two dogs", so just imagine 6 on 3 acres learnincurve posted:I'm onboard the angry train. Yeah, exactly my thoughts. Why would you have that many dogs if you weren't breeding them or a hoarder? The amount of money their "farm" brings in is right in line with what I'd expect a BYB to make off their dogs, too. Mirthless fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Aug 31, 2017 |
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