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SMP posted:What should I read to help understand the whole new gods / apokalips mythos? I don't really know much about DC's cosmos. Ideally not Kirby's like, 50 issue run across 5 titles. I don't have the best patience with old comics' purple prose. There's just one thing you need to know.... DARKSEID IS
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Darkseid is.
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Aug 24, 2017 14:54
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A really cool guy posted:I. Am. The. New. God. All is one in Darkseid. This mighty body is my church. When I command your surrender, I speak with three billion voices. When I make a fist to crush your resistance. It is with three billion hands. When I stare into your eyes and shatter your dreams. And break your heart. It is with six billion eyes! Nothing like Darkseid has ever come among you: Nothing will again. I will take you to a hell without exit or end. And there I will murder your souls! And make you crawl and beg! And die! Die! Die for Darkseid!
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Aug 24, 2017 14:59
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New Genesis/Apokolips is pretty much analogue to Space Heaven and Space Hell, with the leaders representing the prophet Isaiah (High Father's real name is Izaya) and Darkseid being analogous to Satan/Evil incarnate in general. If you're into cosmic weirdness then New Gods is there for you. If you don't care about that though, it may not have much for you.
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Aug 24, 2017 16:01
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There are also three New Gods special Kirby anniversary one-shots out this month (New Gods out now and Black Racer and Darkseid this coming week.) They come with Kirby story backups and they've been pretty good so far, but it's no substitute.
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Aug 24, 2017 19:15
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Are there any collected editions of the New Gods stuff so I can read it in order?
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Aug 24, 2017 19:49
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You can try and find all four out of print omnibuses https://www.amazon.com/Jack-Kirbys-Fourth-World-Omnibus/dp/1401232418 Or wait for the complete 1500+ page monster in december. https://www.amazon.com/Fourth-World-Jack-Kirby-Omnibus/dp/1401274757
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Aug 24, 2017 19:54
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I guess I'll take a stab at reading the old Kirby stuff, reading wikis just ain't the same. I'm a huge fan of Marvel's Cosmic stuff so...
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Aug 24, 2017 19:56
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SMP posted:I guess I'll take a stab at reading the old Kirby stuff, reading wikis just ain't the same. I'm a huge fan of Marvel's Cosmic stuff so... It's worth it. I know you said you have an issue with older comics' prose stylings, but it's Kirby; his art has an energy to it that can carry the weight of the purplest of prose.
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Aug 24, 2017 23:09
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Teenage Fansub posted:You can try and find all four out of print omnibuses https://www.amazon.com/Jack-Kirbys-Fourth-World-Omnibus/dp/1401232418 Snap! I did not know that Omnibus was coming. That will indeed be my jam. Thanks for the link!
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Aug 25, 2017 20:22
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I'm surprised nobody mentioned Superman: The Animated Series, where Darkseid is set up as Superman's greatest nemesis in the DCAU, only rivaled by maybe Brainiac or Luthor. The Fourth World is briefly introduced in S1E12, though you don't really hear about it again until S2E25-26 "Apokolips... Now", which ends on a touching eulogy to Jack Kirby, and then the next two episodes are another Apokolips two-parter. The last two episodes of the series are also Fourth World-related, but it's okay, they come back in the first episode of season 2 of Justice League, and you finally get to see Supertown! Then for JLU, S2E02 is centered around Mister Miracle and Big Barda, S3E03 has Orion (and Batman) tagging along with Flash, and then the last two episodes of the series are, once again, an Apokoliptic two-parter.
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Aug 26, 2017 21:17
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Autism Sneaks posted:I'm surprised nobody mentioned Superman: The Animated Series, where Darkseid is set up as Superman's greatest nemesis in the DCAU, only rivaled by maybe Brainiac or Luthor. The Fourth World is briefly introduced in S1E12, though you don't really hear about it again until S2E25-26 "Apokolips... Now", which ends on a touching eulogy to Jack Kirby, and then the next two episodes are another Apokolips two-parter. The last two episodes of the series are also Fourth World-related, but it's okay, they come back in the first episode of season 2 of Justice League, and you finally get to see Supertown! Then for JLU, S2E02 is centered around Mister Miracle and Big Barda, S3E03 has Orion (and Batman) tagging along with Flash, and then the last two episodes of the series are, once again, an Apokoliptic two-parter. One thing the Timverse did well was to show the complete hatred and contempt Superman has for Darkseid. I always got the impression that Supes doesn't hate Luthor or Braniac or any of his villains, but with Darkseid there is pure contempt.
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Aug 26, 2017 22:39
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Speaking of DC animated, is the correct pronunciation of Lex’s last name Loo-thor? I have always pronounced it Loo-thurr and seems like that is how the live action movies have pronounced it as well.
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Aug 27, 2017 15:55
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Rubiks Pubes posted:Speaking of DC animated, is the correct pronunciation of Lex’s last name Loo-thor? I have always pronounced it Loo-thurr and seems like that is how the live action movies have pronounced it as well. It's pronounced the same as the L in MLK.
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Aug 27, 2017 17:51
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Skwirl posted:It's pronounced the same as the L in MLK. That's what I thought but the cartoons throw me off pronouncing it the other way.
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Aug 27, 2017 19:00
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Skwirl posted:It's pronounced the same as the L in MLK. It's been pronounced both ways in TV and movies, though actual comic book people like Busiek insist it's Loo-thor, like how it's y'know, spelt. As someone with two eyes and not possessed of one of the US's degenerate regional dialects I'm inclined to agree with the latter
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Aug 27, 2017 19:22
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The Timm cartoons pronounced both Luthor and Ra's Al Ghul wrong.
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Aug 27, 2017 21:12
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Aphrodite posted:The Timm cartoons pronounced both Luthor and Ra's Al Ghul wrong. My favorite thing about Arrow is how different characters just randomly pronounced Ra's Al Ghul, I'd have to rewatch those two seasons to figure out if there was even consistency among the characters, but I'm pretty sure Stephen Amel said both "Roz" and "Raish" at different points.
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Aug 27, 2017 22:32
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Skwirl posted:My favorite thing about Arrow is how different characters just randomly pronounced Ra's Al Ghul, I'd have to rewatch those two seasons to figure out if there was even consistency among the characters, but I'm pretty sure Stephen Amel said both "Roz" and "Raish" at different points. I thought the intent was that League people would say Raysh and other people would say Raaz, but I'm not sure if they were consistent about it.
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Aug 28, 2017 07:25
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I thought the intent was that League people would say Raysh and other people would say Raaz, but I'm not sure if they were consistent about it. If I ever rewatch that season I'm watching it with pen and paper in hand and I'll make loving charts about it.
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Aug 28, 2017 08:19
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Young comics sale, including Gotham Academy trades. https://www.comixology.com/DCs-Back-to-School-Sale/page/16075
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Aug 29, 2017 08:50
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Really weird to see New 52 Superboy getting grouped in with all those regular All-Ages books, but I've been wanting to read Second-Semester for a while.
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Aug 29, 2017 17:09
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Hey remember how Geoff Johns hates J'onn J'onzz? And how Mr Oz suddenly has an eye blast that could be heat vision or a similar power? What if Mr Oz is J'onn?????
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Aug 30, 2017 04:29
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Rhyno posted:Hey remember how Geoff Johns hates J'onn J'onzz? And how Mr Oz suddenly has an eye blast that could be heat vision or a similar power? Noooooooooooooo
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Aug 30, 2017 04:32
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Rhyno posted:Hey remember how Geoff Johns hates J'onn J'onzz? And how Mr Oz suddenly has an eye blast that could be heat vision or a similar power?
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Aug 30, 2017 04:33
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I'm gonna hate myself if I'm right.
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Aug 30, 2017 04:41
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Rhyno posted:I'm gonna hate myself if I'm right. I'm coming for you if you are.
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Aug 30, 2017 04:42
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Wait why does he hate j'onn
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Aug 30, 2017 04:42
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hup posted:Wait why does he hate j'onn Who knows. He has said in a few interviews that he doesn't "get" the character. And a big part of his JL run was erasing J'onn from the team.
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Aug 30, 2017 04:44
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I dunno if I buy that. He brought him back from space for the first N52 JLA.
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Aug 30, 2017 07:24
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They made him leader of the Canadian Justice League. What worse fate is there?
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Aug 30, 2017 09:35
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You know, it occurs to me, reading this week's Red Hood and the Outlaws annual: Jason is probably the character best served by the New 52, because it means you can easily say "Oh, yeah, his more 'psychotic villain' phase never happened, like him ruining Dick's reputation and going around as murder-Nightwing." Now he's just that annoying little brother who sometimes goes too far, but has sort of come around.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:15
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KaosMachina posted:You know, it occurs to me, reading this week's Red Hood and the Outlaws annual: Jason is probably the character best served by the New 52, because it means you can easily say "Oh, yeah, his more 'psychotic villain' phase never happened, like him ruining Dick's reputation and going around as murder-Nightwing." The relationship with Dick was pretty heavy handed and come off like showing once again how loving amazing Dick is. Completely unnecessary and a disservice to Jason's character. Anyways https://twitter.com/geoffjohns/status/902942595478732800
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Aug 30, 2017 18:16
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:The relationship with Dick was pretty heavy handed and come off like showing once again how loving amazing Dick is. Completely unnecessary and a disservice to Jason's character. Am I interpreting this right? Their bringing Watchmen into the main DC universe?
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Aug 30, 2017 18:32
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Covok posted:Am I interpreting this right? Their bringing Watchmen into the main DC universe? Yes? I mean the plot is literally "Dr. Manhattan stole 10 years from the DC universe."
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Aug 30, 2017 18:34
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I think technically they're bringing the main DC universe into Watchmen.
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Aug 30, 2017 18:34
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ImpAtom posted:Yes? I wasn't keeping up with things so I didn't even know they were still making Watchman comics. I thought they did one miniseries and then never touched it again.
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Aug 30, 2017 18:35
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Covok posted:I wasn't keeping up with things so I didn't even know they were still making Watchman comics. I thought they did one miniseries and then never touched it again. They aren't really. It was a one and done for 20 years until DC did their Before Watchmen event that was almost entirely terrible. Alan Moore called out Geoff Johns for basing his entire career on scraps Moore left behind so this is Johns getting even. Look for V for Vendetta to be folded into the DCU by 2020.
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Aug 30, 2017 18:38
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:The relationship with Dick was pretty heavy handed and come off like showing once again how loving amazing Dick is. Completely unnecessary and a disservice to Jason's character. I mean I like the dynamic of "Dick Grayson basically has his life together and he's cool and Jason looks up to him, because Jason knows he's been kind of a gently caress-up through his life" better than "Actually Jason is amazing and awesome and the best and totally should be the head of the league of assassins, and now they're super-wizards and he is the best because he has the magic power of swords and"
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Aug 30, 2017 18:46
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KaosMachina posted:I mean I like the dynamic of "Dick Grayson basically has his life together and he's cool and Jason looks up to him, because Jason knows he's been kind of a gently caress-up through his life" better than "Actually Jason is amazing and awesome and the best and totally should be the head of the league of assassins, and now they're super-wizards and he is the best because he has the magic power of swords and" That bit in particular is Tynion's fault. Rhyno posted:They aren't really. It was a one and done for 20 years until DC did their Before Watchmen event that was almost entirely terrible. Alan Moore called out Geoff Johns for basing his entire career on scraps Moore left behind so this is Johns getting even. Look for V for Vendetta to be folded into the DCU by 2020. Well, Anarky is explicitly based on V so they're halfway there.
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