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No but seriously guys, why is McLaren not asking for Mercedes engines?
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[quote="“1500quidporsche”" post="“475897358”"] No but seriously guys, why is McLaren not asking for Mercedes engines? [/quote] They did. Mercedes said no.
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Aug 30, 2017 15:24
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Schlesische posted:So again, why isn't he pushing for a Mercedes-McLaren reunion? Who do you think they went to first?
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Aug 30, 2017 15:28
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:I think Alonso should go to WEC and have fun A dead series for a dead driver. Phwoar what synergy 
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Aug 30, 2017 15:47
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GramCracker posted:A dead series for a dead driver. Phwoar what synergy Ron get out
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Aug 30, 2017 16:02
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Like I get the prestige of the ~~~triple crown~~~ but as all but one of the manufacturers have pulled out of LMP1, what is the future of WEC? Seems to be more sensible to leave for IndyCar.
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Aug 30, 2017 16:12
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The future is that LMP2 is the new LMP1
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Aug 30, 2017 16:13
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:The future is that LMP2 is the new LMP1 I can hear it on the team radio now, "LMP2 ENGINE!"
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Aug 30, 2017 16:15
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Zak Brown just said McLaren would be interested in joining LMP1 if the rules were revamped. Hard to see the rules not being revamped in the wake of its pretty much death.
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Aug 30, 2017 16:23
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More like Hack Clown.
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Aug 30, 2017 16:29
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1500quidporsche posted:More like Hack Clown. I'll see you in 6 to 24 hours 
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Aug 30, 2017 16:32
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I'm confident in Brown's ability to get some sponsorship. He's smart enough to realize that nobody is going to pay $69 billion dollars to put their name on post-2008 McLaren. Unlike SOMEBODY.
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Aug 30, 2017 16:38
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Human Grand Prix posted:I'm confident in Brown's ability to get some sponsorship. He's smart enough to realize that nobody is going to pay $69 billion dollars to put their name on post-2008 McLaren. Unlike SOMEBODY. McLaren just hired one of his former employees at JMI to lead their new "Partner Strategy" team.
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Aug 30, 2017 16:43
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1500quidporsche posted:I do think Alonso needs to calm down and re evaluate the situation. Maybe he knows something about next year's Renault engine that I don't but at most they're going to be fighting for 2-3 wins with a Renault engine. instead of 0 wins with the honda deal
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Aug 30, 2017 16:52
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It's been 3 years and Honda has made zero actual improvements
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Aug 30, 2017 16:56
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Norns posted:It's been 3 years and Honda has made zero actual improvements This is exactly what happened in the 80s and then in 1986 they blew everyone the gently caress away.
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Aug 30, 2017 16:59
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That's kinda not true. The '83 engine was pretty poor and the '84 engine was powerful but undriveable. By mid-'85 they had the best engine. The '15-'17 motors have been horrendous by comparison.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:02
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1500quidporsche posted:This is exactly what happened in the 80s and then in 1986 they blew everyone the gently caress away. I'll buy you a years worth of new tires of they come in 2018 and blow everyone away
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Aug 30, 2017 17:04
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The views of the posters in this thread regarding Honda have been exactly inverted since the beginning of the season.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:05
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Norns posted:I'll buy you a years worth of new tires of they come in 2018 and blow everyone away I swear to god Honda hire me. We'll make this happen. wicka posted:The views of the posters in this thread regarding Honda have been exactly inverted since the beginning of the season. They hired Illien and moved away from the dumb single cylinder thing. It's tough to tell if there's been the necessary cultural shift yet but the initial signs is positive. Plus talking about moving to Renault in September is absolutely stupid as gently caress. F1DriverQuidenBerg fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Aug 30, 2017 |
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Aug 30, 2017 17:06
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1500quidporsche posted:This is exactly what happened in the 80s and then in 1986 they blew everyone the gently caress away. It would be very Alonso if after all this poo poo he gets a Renault engine that turns out to blow up at random times, while Kvyat zooms past him in a fairly well working toro honda. I can already feel the anger in the radio messages.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:11
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Uhhh I've been saying Honda is and will be poo poo all year tyvm
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Aug 30, 2017 17:13
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mrfart posted:It would be very Alonso if after all this poo poo he gets a Renault engine that turns out to blow up at random times, while Kvyat zooms past him in a fairly well working toro honda. No matter which option Alonso chooses, it'll turn out to be the worst option.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:15
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Alonso cursed so what
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Aug 30, 2017 17:18
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Human Grand Prix posted:That's kinda not true. The '83 engine was pretty poor and the '84 engine was powerful but undriveable. By mid-'85 they had the best engine. The '15-'17 motors have been horrendous by comparison. yeah and from what I remember the Spirit-Honda team was more or less a warmup for them.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:21
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The only thing I can compare this current Honda engine to is how awful Porsche's attempt at a F1 return was with Footwork. I think Jackie Oliver said his worst moment as a team owner was when they got their first engines from Porsche and found out how heavy they were.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:23
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The 85 engine only came good towards the end of the year from what I remember. Didn't Rosberg have a ton of retirements aside from winning in Detroit for the first two thirds of the season?
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Aug 30, 2017 17:25
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Feels Villeneuve posted:yeah and from what I remember the Spirit-Honda team was more or less a warmup for them. The Spirit-Honda 201 wasn't actually that bad. I think the original intention was to support Spirit for a longer period of time but Williams came calling.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:27
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oh, it was Alan Jenkins, not Jackie Oliverquote:Porsche doesn't deserve to be mentioned among these failures but their 1991 V12 was really a big disappointment. The then Arrows designer Alan Jenkins most depressing moment came in late 1990 when the Porsche V12 engine was delivered to them. It was very bulky and massively overweight at 180kg. It didn't produce much power either so it failed utterly. The engine had a 80-degree vee-angle and had the power taken at centrally, similarly as used in their 917 flat-12 engines of 1970-71. Arrows did not even persevere for the whole season and the Porsche was unceremoniously dumped mid-season. The team installed Hart-tuned DFR V8 engines instead. Alboreto barely qualified four times while Johansson qualified the Porsche-powered FA12 just once. Caffi never even got the car onto the grid. After the 1991 debacle Porsche never returned to Formula 1. Actually this entire article is cool. http://8w.forix.com/engine-failures.html
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Aug 30, 2017 17:27
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Feels Villeneuve posted:The only thing I can compare this current Honda engine to is how awful Porsche's attempt at a F1 return was with Footwork. I think Jackie Oliver said his worst moment as a team owner was when they got their first engines from Porsche and found out how heavy they were. The loving thing was 418lbs. or something insane like that. By comparison the Honda V12 was 352lbs.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:28
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1500quidporsche posted:The 85 engine only came good towards the end of the year from what I remember. Didn't Rosberg have a ton of retirements aside from winning in Detroit for the first two thirds of the season? Yeah it was powerful but unreliable.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:29
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Was talking to someone a while back that mentioned that the PTO being in the middle traces back to their old flat 12s having lovely crankshafts so that eased the stress on them. That V12 must've been absolute balls.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:30
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I also gotta say that the entire design process for the FA12 was a huge clusterfuck. So much so that they actually had to drag out the A11C and shoehorn in the V12 for the first few races of 1991.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:31
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Human Grand Prix posted:Yeah it was powerful but unreliable. Which was 80s motorsport in a nutshell and i guess early 90s
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Aug 30, 2017 17:41
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There were two big jumps in F1 engine reliability IIRC, one was 1996 when the no-hope teams were effectively tossed from the sport by the 107 rule (resulting in the grid going from 26 to 20), and another one in 2003, for some reason.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:44
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the 03 stuff was probably because of Ferrari being so drat reliable at the time. Newey Mclarens were usually the fastest but always went pop.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:49
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1500quidporsche posted:No but seriously guys, why is McLaren not asking for Mercedes engines? toto say nono
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Aug 30, 2017 17:56
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Alonso's McLaren-Honda woes are the price he's paying for signing whatever deal with the devil he had to for Schumacher's 2006 Japanese grand prix engine failure.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:57
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Aug 30, 2017 17:59
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Just watch streams for free online, OP.
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