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Retardog posted:Yay family history derail chat. My grandpa and his four brothers all served in WW2. He was in the marine corps, and started barbering then. at least he wasn't in the philippines so he can't be blamed for that little oversight 
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My grandfather was a B17 belly gunner whose training ended about 2 days after VE day so his war experience was sitting at a base in Italy until Japan surrendered
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Aug 30, 2017 17:35
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Mozi posted:Family history derail is the best derail. My great grandfather is at the bottom of the pacific somewhere, he went down with the USS Barton during the Battle of Guadalcanal. There is this crazy story we have since been told about everyone jumping overboard, but he was still manning one of the guns on deck or something shooting at the other side like a maniac. The crazy part is he was retired and when war broke out he re-enlisted.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:38
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:Nah, breaking encryption (without a warrant) implicates the 4th. Forcing you to bypass your own encryption implicates the 5th. The tech companies involved wouldn't give in without a serious legal battle. In addition to them being generally extremely outspoken about privacy (from government snooping, their own data-vacuum is ok for ~reasons~) their international business would be severely impacted by the US government having a backdoor.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:42
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I don't get it, did Trump tweet about Grandpa's in WWII? I'd really like in on this stupid joke pls.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:43
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My grandfather was an Estonian anti-Soviet partisan, fled with the Germans after the Red Army advanced back into the country in 1944, and then left to Canada after the war. His brother was a partisan too, but had no family and so he joined the Waffen SS regiment the Nazis set up there, presumably dying on the Eastern Front someplace. They really loving hated Russians (and Jews).
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Aug 30, 2017 17:45
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DandyLion posted:I don't get it, did Trump tweet about Grandpa's in WWII? I'd really like in on this stupid joke pls. I wanna say it started about people's grandpas being the original antifascists, but maybe that's just wishful thinking.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:46
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My grandpa wrote a 52 page diary about everything he did in world war II and I keep wanting to post it but the internet would eventually want to doxx my grandma or something when 4chan found it as an old desk 12 years from now or something.
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Kelly posted:
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DandyLion posted:I don't get it, did Trump tweet about Grandpa's in WWII? I'd really like in on this stupid joke pls. I don't think it's a joke, people are just talking about their grandpa's war experiences. Family anecdotes. Interesting.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:47
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Shame so many died during WWII because uncaring bad Obama was too busy playing golf instead of doing his job as President.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:47
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:My grandpa wrote a 52 page diary about everything he did in world war II and I keep wanting to post it but the internet would eventually want to doxx my grandma or something when 4chan found it as an old desk 12 years from now or something. my grandpa wrote a diary too but if I posted it I would probably be disappeared by the CIA because of its contents, so yeah
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Neo Rasa posted:Shame so many died during WWII because uncaring bad Obama was too busy playing golf instead of doing his job as President. that rear end in a top hat FDR didn't even stand up to salute are troops on 9/11!
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Aug 30, 2017 17:48
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Oh good, I didn't miss WWIIGrandpaChat. One of mine served in Europe and I think was actually involved in D-Day. He got promoted up to Lt in a hilariously short amount of time (I read his promotion booklet thing once and it had the dates - he started as a private, obv). He also won a Bronze Star for singlehandedly storming a machine-gun nest that was pinning down his squad and neutralizing it. Took a bullet to the knee (seriously) and had to use a cane to walk the rest of his life, but that's a pretty badass story. Also while recovering in the army hospital, he met & fell in love with my grandma, who he eventually married.  She was in the...nursing corps? Something like that, we found her olive drab jacket with pins and all a while back when clearing out their house.Other grandpa served in the Pacific in the Air Force. He stayed in the military through Korea and got promoted all the way to major. He also met his wife while stationed in Okinawa (she was a singer or something? not actually in the military).
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Aug 30, 2017 17:49
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KitConstantine posted:In post-Napoleanic wars England any soldiers (foot soldiers, mind, not the aristocratic officers) usually ended up as beggars if they had any kind of visible injury, and even if they didn't. An infantryman didn't qualify for a pension unless they put 20 years in, and as the army rapidly swelled during the wars then was just as rapidly reduced many didn't have the chance to hit that mark.. A lot of them went over to South America then helped to wreck the empires they had fought to protect. Pay your soldiers!
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Aug 30, 2017 17:50
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My grandparents were Vietnamese people helping the US in the Vietnam War. To this day I still wonder why like a battered housewife my relatives fled to the US rather than literally anywhere else.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:50
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Great-Grandpa D joined the Navy in '33, and was the chief ship's clerk of the USS Whitney on December 7th (Though he himself was not at Pearl at the time of the attack). He transfered to the USS Wilkes-Barre when that ship was commissioned in '44, and was in Tokyo Bay during the surrender. On the other side of the family, Pop-Pop G joined the Navy at 17 in 1943, and was stationed aboard the newly-commissioned USS Ira Jeffery. The Jeffery was a Destroyer Escort, and was assigned to convoy escort throughout '43 and '44, where it survived at least one run-in from a U-Boat attack before being transfered to the Pacific. It was then converted into a fast transport for Underwater Demolition Teams (Predecessors of the SEALs), and had just completed the conversion when the war ended. He then had to wait for nearly a year to be discharged from the Navy and return home, during which time he wrote my (to be) grandmother some absurdly sappy love letters.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:52
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Annointed posted:My grandparents were Vietnamese people helping the US in the Vietnam War. To this day I still wonder why like a battered housewife my relatives fled to the US rather than literally anywhere else. Probably because they were enemies of the Vietnamese government for helping the US. My aunt's father, for example, was a loyalist in the pre-Communist government of China. Her family had to flee due to the regime change. You don't want to stick around when you're on the losing team.
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Calibanibal posted:my grandpa wrote a diary too but if I posted it I would probably be disappeared by the CIA because of its contents, so yeah I sure hope it plays out that way
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Aug 30, 2017 17:54
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Breaking encryption might violate the 4th amendment Forcing a person to personally provide a password might violate the 5th amendment Making it illegal to use encryption, on the other hand, is a violation of the 1st amendment, because it is restricting free speech
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Aug 30, 2017 17:55
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Covok posted:Probably because they were enemies of the Vietnamese government for helping the US. My aunt's father, for example, was a loyalist in the pre-Communist government of China. Her family had to flee due to the regime change. You don't want to stick around when you're on the losing team. I get fleeing. I don't get fleeing to the country that wanted to genocide you via endless fire.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:55
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Mozi posted:Family history derail is the best derail. On the other side of my family my grandfather fought in WWII in the pacific. The night before he was to set out from San Francisco, he overdrank with his buddies and literally missed the boat. It was a stupid unintentional thing and thankfully his punishment for--uh--desertion was lenient and after a brief incarceration and other reprimands he was reassigned. The boat he was first supposed to go out on made its way to the solomon islands and sank in that battle with a scant handful of survivors. Thanks grannddad for being a dumb drunk kid for one night!
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Aug 30, 2017 17:56
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Annointed posted:My grandparents were Vietnamese people helping the US in the Vietnam War. To this day I still wonder why like a battered housewife my relatives fled to the US rather than literally anywhere else. South Vietnamese Christians didn't want anything to do with Communist North Vietnam and some were quite pro US. Given how many were executed when the south fell, they made the right call to gtfo.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:57
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sincx posted:Breaking encryption might violate the 4th amendment Is there any case law on this before the advent of digital encryption like with ciphers and such that could be used as precedent? I don't really disagree with you on the free speech thing, but I feel like it could be easily argued that hidden communication isn't particularly protected.
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Aug 30, 2017 17:58
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Annointed posted:My grandparents were Vietnamese people helping the US in the Vietnam War. To this day I still wonder why like a battered housewife my relatives fled to the US rather than literally anywhere else. Yeah because Laos or Cambodia or Thailand would have been much better choices. Did they not know how imperialist Amerikkka would treat them?
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SpaceCadetBob posted:Is there any case law on this before the advent of digital encryption like with ciphers and such that could be used as precedent? https://www.eff.org/cases/bernstein-v-us-dept-justice
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Annointed posted:I get fleeing. I don't get fleeing to the country that wanted to genocide you via endless fire. They helped the US. They probably expected or hoped for fair treatment. Plus, US' propaganda machine of being a "plentiful land of equality and riches" was in full swing mid-cold war and Christians about to be executed for their religious beliefs are sure to buy into it 100%. If nothing else, if you're fleeing communism, where is safer than America? While it may fall to Nazism, even now, we can all agree that, sadly, it isn't close to a communist government.
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Arglebargle III posted:Yeah because Laos or Cambodia or Thailand would have been much better choices. Did they not know how imperialist Amerikkka would treat them? Yeah man it's not like there were other countries that had Vietnamese communities. And it's not like the only reason why we haven't experienced the same level of discrimination as other minorities thanks to a cocktail of a billion circumstances. Truly we were fortunate.
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Aug 30, 2017 18:01
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Annointed posted:I get fleeing. I don't get fleeing to the country that wanted to genocide you via endless fire. Joking aside, while the US should never have gone to Vietnam, the intent and process of conducting the war did not resemble genocide. There were certainly massacres and lovely CIA ops, but LBJ never saw that war as one of extermination of the Vietnamese people. Falling dominoes theory meant installing a pro-US government, not actual cleansing.
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Aug 30, 2017 18:01
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I remember yesterday or maybe the day before, the models were forecasting another TS to hit Houston end of this week or early next week. Is that still the case? Not sure where I'd look for that.
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Aug 30, 2017 18:02
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Joking aside, while the US should never have gone to Vietnam, the intent and process of conducting the war did not resemble genocide. There were certainly massacres and lovely CIA ops, but LBJ never saw that war as one of extermination of the Vietnamese people. Falling dominoes theory meant installing a pro-US government, not actual cleansing. The catch was that the pro-US government was run by Ngo Dinh Diem, who was a little more amenable to genocide.
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Aug 30, 2017 18:03
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Darth Walrus posted:The catch was that the pro-US government was run by Ngo Dinh Diem, who was a little more amenable to genocide. And oh how nothing changed in the US' imperialist policies.
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Annointed posted:I get fleeing. I don't get fleeing to the country that wanted to genocide you via endless fire. Between the northern communists, corrupt southern government,Chinese, Japanese, French, and US there was no shortage of groups killing mass numbers of Vietnamese during 35 years of warfare. They fled to the country that was most willing to take them in. My finances parents / grandparents all fought for the south. Some spent 15 years in labor camp after the fall of Saigon. I don't blame them for fleeing when the US government finally took them in the 1990s. No other country was willing to host them. I think you are assuming people have an easy choice where they can flee too. Grandpa chat one grandparent was a Navigator on a B-17. He never talked about combat but loved telling stories of getting to go to exclusive officer clubs in London. Not bad for a poor Kentucky farm boy. My other grandpas served on a destroyer escort in the pacific. He never saw direct combat but nearly sank one of their own subs due to a case of mistaken identity. Also said bombardments from a distance looked like an epic lightning storm.
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Aug 30, 2017 18:05
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:they just haven't found the bodies yet That and those that die afterwards due to lack of access to medication or even clean drinking water.
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Aug 30, 2017 18:07
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Like literally every male in my family has been military in one form or another as far back as records are kept, back to the 1400s. One grandpa was at Pearl Harbor (shore not ship) then got deployed on a destroyer during the rest of the Pacific Campaign. After that he got transferred to a desert outpost for the rest of his career. Other grandpa was a little younger and started doing cold warrior stuff with bombers, first in Korea and then in North Dakota. He rode the defense contractor pony until retirement after that.
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Hellblazer187 posted:I remember yesterday or maybe the day before, the models were forecasting another TS to hit Houston end of this week or early next week. Is that still the case? Not sure where I'd look for that. Still too early to have a clear idea, the gulf is super warm so it might easily spin up another huge storm
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both my grandfathers were still young boys when ww2 ended thats my story thanks for reading
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I had one grandpa that invaded Italy and another that was in China preparing to invade Japan when we dropped the bombs. What's more unique is my grandmother, who volunteered in the Navy WAVES and worked on decoding captured or intercepted Japanese communications.
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boner confessor posted:both my grandfathers were still young boys when ww2 ended thats my story thanks for reading haunting. thank YOU for sharing
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