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Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Captain Foo posted:

are you a native english speaker
I've never understood this phrase. Natives don't speak English, they speak whatever crazy native language.

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Yawgmoth
Sep 10, 2003

This post is cursed!

Nocheez posted:

Why do we park in a driveway, but drive on a parkway!?
Why is it cargo when it's in a ship and a shipment when it's in a car?

Tumblr of scotch
Mar 13, 2006

Please, don't be my neighbor.
And what's the deal with airline food??

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Necrolich posted:

Why the hell is it called a near miss, this has never made sense to me!? Nearly missing something is HITTING it.

My near neighbor and my near relation once had a near miss on a nearby road.

And now it just sounds weird. Near near near.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
And what's the deal with airline food?

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!
And what's the deal with airline food?

Applesnots
Oct 22, 2010

MERRY YOBMAS


Baloo! Noo!

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Applesnots posted:

Baloo! Noo!

I sometimes wonder if Don Carnage was gay

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



The Bloop posted:

Ah, so specific technical jargon rather than a commonly used phrase in normal life like "near miss"

Danger close is not nearly as obscure as you seem to think it is.

Karia
Mar 27, 2013

Self-portrait, Snake on a Plane
Oil painting, c. 1482-1484
Leonardo DaVinci (1452-1591)

The Hambulance posted:

Do you work in Oxnard? :v:

Nah, we're not that bad. Unlike Haas, we've never had a literal software setting to completely disable the door interlocks, no password or warning required. There was no visible indicator that the interlock is overridden, so more than once I was shocked to find machines that wouldn't stop if I cracked the door.

They got rid of that on newer machines, but as of two years ago they still didn't have interlocks on the side door panels. Hell, it's designed to run with them open if your part is too long to fit in the enclosure. No problem going to 12000 rpm with those open. And the main door interlocks can still be overridden with a magnet.

Cobweb Heart
Mar 31, 2010

I need you to wear this. I need you to wear this all the time. It's office policy.

HEY NONG MAN posted:

This is a weird way of saying "I was wrong." but I'll take it.

Proteus Jones posted:

Danger close is not nearly as obscure as you seem to think it is.

"Danger close" is an unacceptable comparison to make to "near miss" screw you guys. Not only are we talking complete structural disconnect, "danger close" isn't even common enough to show up in dictionaries, puts it on about the same footing as the word "anypony" re: whether it belongs in respectable conversation. Why on earth it was brought up at all is a mystery to me unless someone's getting off telling everyone how much they should know about jargon related to "close air support, artillery, mortar, and naval gunfire support fires" which i guess if you have no funny pictures to post is all you got.

An example without its cock up its mouth might be: "near miss" works the same way as "close shave", which means the same thing and is used about as often. Or "belay on" is also grammatically backwards and inapplicable outside of climbing, but at least a regular person might have heard or said it once.









Three-Phase
Aug 5, 2006

by zen death robot

Explosionface posted:

Ladder logic is probably the most common way to program PLCs. They also have function block and structured text ("real programming") forms that you may be able to use interchangeably. Sometimes functions are only available in one manner, more or less forcing a routine into one form over another.

e: My frame of reference is Allen-Bradley. I can't say exactly how it stacks up against Siemens, Omron, Schneider, et al.

Newer stuff allows you to combine ladder with things like structured text and function blocks. Ladder logic is still very useful because it's very easy to program and understand. The problems is that as you want to do more complicated stuff it can get clumsy.

Also with some of the software you can make changes while the system is live, not turning the PLC into PROGRAM mode, programming, and then back to RUN mode, but you have to be extremely careful.

Also there are companies that aren't using PLCs as much and are more working with Distributed Control Systems, or DCS. If you have a small factory and a couple of standalone machines or a small assembly line, PLCs work great. If you are running an oil refinery, public utility, or power plant, you will have some PLCs but also a larger DCS network. We're talking about combining:

  • Remote I/O (input/output) devices
  • Networked PLCs
  • Floor HMI (human/machine interface)
  • Control room operation controls
  • Alarm management and response
  • Process monitoring and statistics
  • Resource monitoring (electricity, fuel, raw materials)
  • System security

It can get really complicated.

Three-Phase fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Aug 31, 2017

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Why would "danger close" be in a dictionary when it is a two word phrase? It is used extensively in the military and military action movies so it isn't that obscure.

Pilots officially use near miss which completely overrides your objections. It's just one of those English things that have an exception with a meaning that is based on the context it exist within.

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Have none of you idiots heard the term "idiomatic" before

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Hey now there's no need to resort to insults

BgRdMchne
Oct 31, 2011

near miss means a miss that was close as opposed to a far miss, not that it nearly missed.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

Keiya posted:

If it's not in hardware, it's not a safety interlock.

And I'm a software girl.

Preach.



E: wow what a flagrant abuse of PE wire

shame on an IGA fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Aug 31, 2017

Jet Jaguar
Feb 12, 2006

Don't touch my bags if you please, Mr Customs Man.




Shake hands with danger!
(Dun dundun dun dowwwwwwww)

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

Captain Foo posted:

Have none of you idiots heard the term "idiomatic" before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY9gVIcRkkI&t=89s

quite stretched out
Feb 17, 2011

the chillest

Captain Foo posted:

Have none of you idiots heard the term "idiomatic" before

look mate it's been years since i watched Grease okay

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

drat, Archer has just about everything I just didn't notice before.

Applesnots
Oct 22, 2010

MERRY YOBMAS

The Bloop posted:

I sometimes wonder if Don Carnage was gay

Dunno, but I remember thinking that he was one of the only ones that remembered to wear pants upon leaving the house.

Say Nothing
Mar 5, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule



Opening a portal to hell?

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Great reaction time there.

Keiya
Aug 22, 2009

Come with me if you want to not die.

Humphreys posted:

Opening a portal to hell?

Looks more like a portal to Xen to me.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

oohhboy posted:

Why would "danger close" be in a dictionary when it is a two word phrase?

Because compound words can have spaces in them?

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41104451?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

arkema explod

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.
i should find and post the art piece i made for a final project a couple semesters ago using material sourced from NIOSH FACE reports

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

💀ayyy💀


"Near miss" isn't an idiom, it's just ambiguous as said/written. It means a miss that was close to being a hit, but it could've ended up meaning a hit that was nearly a miss. It didn't though. Please don't use it that way. We don't want to lose it like we lost "literally" :negative:

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Mr. Fix It posted:

"Near miss" isn't an idiom, it's just ambiguous as said/written. It means a miss that was close to being a hit, but it could've ended up meaning a hit that was nearly a miss. It didn't though. Please don't use it that way. We don't want to lose it like we lost "literally" :negative:

I literally only use literally literally. (Seriouspost.)

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.
tired: badly propped up ladder! that dude could fall off lol
wired:

quote:

When the geothermal crew removed the pump, they exposed the vertical ‘can’ opening which
was beneath the pump. The ‘can’ consisted of a 2 ft. diameter circular pipe which descended
vertically 24 ft. from ground level. The bottom of the ‘can’ was capped and, at the time,
contained an estimated 150 gallons of liquid isopentane. A geothermal plant employee found a
nearby sheet (4 ft. x 4 ft., 1-2 inches thick) of insulation jacketing that had been temporarily
removed from the turbine, and used it to cover the exposed ‘can’ hole in order to minimize
contamination of the isopentane. On top of this sheet of insulation jacketing, two 6 ft. scaffold
boards were placed across the top of the ‘can’. These boards were likely taken from the scaffold
set up by the contractor on the south end of the ‘west condenser’. The geothermal facility did
not notify the employer that the pump had been removed, and that the underlying isopentane
‘can’ had only an improvised cover. Later that day, the two scaffold boards were removed,
leaving only the insulation jacketing covering the top of the ‘can’. It is not known who removed
these boards and for what purpose.

quote:

The following day the facility crew attempted to reinstall the repaired pump mechanism. They noticed a hard hat floating on the surface of the liquid isopentane.

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.
every niosh face report is a frozen tragedy, analyzed from every direction, pinned in place with needles of protocol, fixing it to the backing board by the steps that could have been taken to prevent a worker''s death. dozens of tragedies lain side by side, neatly categorized, in a table, assigned numbers. no written safety protocols. no guardrails. inadequate training. safety interlocks disabled. no confined space permit. inadequate breathing apparatus. no incident management procedure. the worker was told by his boss to ignore procedure in order to save time. the worker climbed into the machine to free the mechanism. over and over and over again, the same deaths play out in different and novel and hideous ways, taking a new life each time.

NIOSH does what it can, and in the end, that is figuring out what went wrong, and tweeting photos of incident areas, cleaned off enough to make them palatable, with cordoned off machines that tore a man to shreds, and spaces in which a man took his final, toxic breath.

https://twitter.com/NIOSHFACE/status/902966903295049728

https://twitter.com/NIOSHFACE/status/901063611602264066

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

atomicthumbs posted:

tired: badly propped up ladder! that dude could fall off lol
wired:

That's really badly written. Are they saying some dummies trapped a dude in a tank of isopentane?

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.
i shold probably stop drunkposting about people dying on the job and go to bed

throw to first DAMN IT
Apr 10, 2007
This whole thread has been raging at the people who don't want Saracen invasion to their homes

Perhaps you too should be more accepting of their cultures
Why you should use ropes when rotating heavy lifted objects.

https://puistokemisti.kapsi.fi/whatshit/1503578968403.webm

Someone likely dies here tho it's not visible.




Concrete with Chinese characteristics.

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.

Wasabi the J posted:

That's really badly written. Are they saying some dummies trapped a dude in a tank of isopentane?

i pulled sections out of the report for effect. the can is a pipe set in the ground, 2 feet wide and 24 feet deep, which usually has a commpresor mounted on top. they unmounted it, took a piece of insulation off it and set it on top of the hole in the ground, and covered that with two boards. someone took the boards. later, a night-shift worker stepped on the insulation.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

throw to first drat IT posted:

Why you should use ropes when rotating heavy lifted objects.

https://puistokemisti.kapsi.fi/whatshit/1503578968403.webm

They were using ropes. Should've been using steel cables.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

atomicthumbs posted:

i pulled sections out of the report for effect. the can is a pipe set in the ground, 2 feet wide and 24 feet deep, which usually has a commpresor mounted on top. they unmounted it, took a piece of insulation off it and set it on top of the hole in the ground, and covered that with two boards. someone took the boards. later, a night-shift worker stepped on the insulation.



Is it really a great mystery who took the boards? poo poo idiot pump-removers steal boards from scaffolding, scaffolding dudes are all "where the gently caress are our boards? oh wait some poo poo idiot put them there" and take them back.

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Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

Jerry Cotton posted:

They were using ropes. Should've been using steel cables.

throw to first drat IT means they should have been using ropes to maneuver the load

as opposed to getting close enough that when it fell down, it did so with extreme prejudice

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