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They tried to break out but in the face of overwhelming German air supremacy, naval superiority, and shore batteries it wasn't really a realistic option. A few ships did break out but the vast majority were scuttled in accordance with their orders (break out if possible, otherwise find deep water and scuttle) The Germans wanted to legitimize the occupation of Denmark as a little Aryan brother nation or some poo poo, so the occupation was relatively lenient including the maintenance of the King and Navy until '43. edit: also compared to the Vichy navy in Toulon the Royal Danish Navy was a collection of odd and obsolete garbage. The Vichy fleet had two very modern Dunkerque class battleships, a WWI dreadnought, four heavy cruisers, three light cruisers, a bunch of destroyers and large torpedo boats. The Royal Danish Navy had two semimodernized coast defense ships, a few submarines, and a few large torpedo boats plus various minelaying sloops. Not enough assets to have any sort of effect on the relative strength of the combatants. KYOON GRIFFEY JR fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Aug 30, 2017 |
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As a Norwegian I know the Danes were a bit more compliant than Norway (not that we were all that violent, 'Milorg' the command element of our main resistance (non-communist) had a policy of avoiding killing German soldiers when not necessary to lessen retributions. All major professions in Norway, except the police, put up a solid resistance to Nazism, though there were collaborators who worked with Quisling's party. Still, the large majority of Danes were always basically putting up a show. They saved 90% of their Jews at the start by shipping them off to Sweden, Norway only managed to keep half of them alive. Danes did good. From what I've read on Wikipedia the Catholic Church in Italy also basically tried to counteract the fascists, and especially the Nazi ideology, for as long as they could, before they changed tacks to feign submission. I could be wrong about that though. Finland at least had a partly understandable reason for fighting on the Axis side after what the commies did to them. Now Sweden... at least they protected Jews and sent people aid packages in concentration camps. Soooo at least that helps mitigate a bit the occasional access and economic alliance they had going with Germany. RA Rx fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Aug 30, 2017 |
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Aug 30, 2017 20:36
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:gently caress that start the kid on ASL   
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Thanks for the replies. Now reading up on politics in Denmark during the war, very interesting and quite ignored.
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I always wonder what the life of an American soldier garrisoned in 1942 Iceland would've been like. Drunken debauchery, eating foul Icelandic dishes, frolicking in hot springs during the summer, wishing for the sweet release of death during the winter, I imagine.
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A White Guy posted:I always wonder what the life of an American soldier garrisoned in 1942 Iceland would've been like. Drunken debauchery, eating foul Icelandic dishes, frolicking in hot springs during the summer, wishing for the sweet release of death during the winter, I imagine. Probably constantly namedropping your uncle the Congressman who got you the cushy post.
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A White Guy posted:I always wonder what the life of an American soldier garrisoned in 1942 Iceland would've been like. Drunken debauchery, eating foul Icelandic dishes, frolicking in hot springs during the summer, wishing for the sweet release of death during the winter, I imagine. Beats the gently caress out of the Philippines.
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A White Guy posted:I always wonder what the life of an American soldier garrisoned in 1942 Iceland would've been like. Drunken debauchery, eating foul Icelandic dishes, frolicking in hot springs during the summer, wishing for the sweet release of death during the winter, I imagine. Same as today, really.
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A friend of mine was an enlisted P3 guy out of Iceland back in the day. He said he loved every single day of it and would go back in a heartbeat.
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   Here is the next wave of death.   Another destroyer is destroyed.   With supplies, we manage to do better at battering the guys hanging around in Rangoon.   The Butais are heading out again – they have replenished a lot of planes, so this should be good!  This, this is not so good.
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  That's a whole heap of bombers.  Curses.  We get a bit of revenge. [img]http://lpix.org/2294189/DEI.jpg[/img  The Allies suffer at Rabaul – their supplies are running out.  At least their subs are quiet for now.  Curses! It looks like one of their ASW air patrols got lucky.
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Brace yourselves. The charts are coming.
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I'm just preparing for the complaints
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Happy September 1st, 1943! All torpedoes now have a max dud rate of 10%. Good luck, Grey!
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   Our ASW is shooting high again.  This one might be a kill!   A subs picks off one of our cargo ships.  He comes around and gets another kill.  This was a silly idea for these fighters.  Their subs are really doing a number on us at the moment!  Bloody subs.   It's taken me a bit of time, but I have equalled the AI score! The Allied AI is doing a lot worse than I was though!   There is not much to comment on here. No bases have changed hands.  I'm still doing well at limiting my plane losses.  I now am producing planes!  I've also done very well at limiting my losses. I may have the occasional heavy loss, but we are not seeing the meat grinder battle we saw last time.  I've nearly killed as many ships as I lost! Although my losses have spiked, they are still well below the last games Japanese losses – but I expect this to begin to rise rapidly now.  Points wise, I'm knocking it out of the park. With only two carriers lost, I have kept my core force alive well!
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Grey Hunter posted:
I guess I just really don't understand the mechanics of ground combat in this game. With an adjusted AV ratio heavily in your favor shouldn't you be wiping them out or at least causing significantly more casualties than you receive? Is it fog of war hiding their losses, or is their some hidden value that needs to be overcome to actually win the fighting?
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:I guess I just really don't understand the mechanics of ground combat in this game. With an adjusted AV ratio heavily in your favor shouldn't you be wiping them out or at least causing significantly more casualties than you receive? Is it fog of war hiding their losses, or is their some hidden value that needs to be overcome to actually win the fighting? AV is a bit like GDP. It's bollocks, basically. There are a ton of factors it doesn't take into account.
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It makes planning ground battles frustrating, as you can never be sure how they are going to come out - this should be a clear win, but for some reason - maybe even a dice roll - they did equal damage. Ground combat is the worst part of the game, and annoyingly important.
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With 9:1 adjusted odds, Shock isn't a terrible choice as long as your disruption is down. It might even be the right move.
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  I need some more ASW here.  They have gotten really ballsy. Their subs are just sailing into my harbours now!  Their snipers hit two more destroyers.  Then they hit again.  We find a light carrier and ruin her.  Their return strike is taken out before they see our ships.  The next wave is unopposed and we sink another carrier.  The Americans at Rabaul surrender.   We run into a fresh Corps of Chinese here and they present something of a roadblock.  A fairly good day. We lost a few ships, but took out a big one of theirs.  Woo, a sub as well!
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Just a heads up, that's the same carrier in both raids, not two different ones. E: Oh wait I think I misunderstood. You probably were referring to the whole campaign when you said "another carrier", not just today's events 
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Baltimore's not a bad get, either.
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2 September 1943 Japanese escort Mutsure, torpedoed north of Truk by US submarine Snapper. Japanese patrol boat No. 35 (ex-destroyer Tsuta), sunk in harbor at Lae by USAAF aircraft.
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That is a lot of dive bombers out of commission, though. Poor Princeton can't seem to catch a break in any timeline.
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If she was called the Harvard none of this would have happened.
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Not bad. Cruiser and light carrier sunk! And the Independence and Essex were both mauled in the last month or so if not sunk so will be out of commission for a bit. Not the worst exchanges (well other than your merchant fleet and the whole weirdness with how subs seem to operate here).
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algebra testes posted:If she was called the Harvard none of this would have happened. Have we seen CV Bunker Hill in the grey timeline yet?
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  This Hoe is taking on my patrol ships now!  There is definitely something going on here, I've never seen this many subs attacking ships in ports, and it seems to make escorts and ASW patrols useless!  We continue cleaning up from yesterday.  That fresh Corps proves to be a speed bump for only one day.  Aircraft kill points jump by 40 and ship kill points by over a hundred, that means one thing.  We just got the points for the carrier, and not confirmation. Boo!
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is it good AI, when it exploits deficiencies in the game mechanics?
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LocalMinesweeping-TFs by ASW-equipped minesweepeers will do ASW in ports I think.
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  Night bombers go after our airfields.  We get some revenge on the next wave.  That'll buff out.  They send some bombers after our carriers.  That fresh Corps is still there. We are going to continue destroying them.  A large number of air losses.  But we get the Baltimore – she's not worth much for an armoured cruiser though!
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The Baltimore was only commissioned in April 1943 and was the lead ship of her class, that's a nice kill!
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Uh, you put 4 torpedoes and a bomb into the Baltimore on Sept 2nd (and it was reported sunk then), so putting 4 more torpedoes into it and sinking it for real this time, while a good thing, isn't actually a gain from what we thought had already been done. That said, the Baltimore is the most advanced cruiser the US has at this time.
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I thought he hit Princeton then.
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wedgekree posted:I thought he hit Princeton then. It was the Baltimore. It is also possible that there were more than one Baltimore class around and it was misidentified in this attack or in either of the two seperate attacks on the second. Could have sunk two.
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Yeah, its fog of war on this one.
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One Baltimore class is a decent get, two would be really very nice. edit: since the sub reports no observed damage (fires, etc) it could definitely be two but I'm not sure if that type of thing appears in sub combat.
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Grey Hunter posted:
Grey Hunter posted:
Or did we...? *twilight music starts playing*
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good, I hate Baltimore the city not the ship, but still
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