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Jeb! Repetition posted:Did you know wishing really hard the definition of racism would change so a super stinky word wouldn't have to describe them is also what the alt-right do. You're the one conflating prejudice or bigotry, personal individual issues, with racism, which is a systemic problem in our lovely capitalist white supremacist society. Black transwoman just lost her job, and you think it's okay because she hurt some white people's feelings, even though she herself could never, EVER find herself in a position to actually effect others' lives materially on a massive, meaningful scale.
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Mecha Gojira posted:You're the one conflating prejudice or bigotry, personal individual issues, with racism, which is a systemic problem in our lovely capitalist white supremacist society. I'm the one who's saying racism is racism, yeah.
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Mecha Gojira posted:here, let me jerk off while I do the lib 101 tactic of muddying waters and saying both sides are bad by condemning this black transwoman who says white people as a whole suck (which is actually a true empirical fact) who was subsequently fired by a multinational corporation for said comment. insanely liberal opinion to think that declaring an entire race as ‘the most violent and oppressive force of nature on Earth' might be grounds for dismissal from a role as a representative of an international organization
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I'm the one who's saying racism is racism, yeah. ugg
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Fallen Hamprince posted:insanely liberal opinion to think that declaring an entire race as ‘the most violent and oppressive force of nature on Earth' might be grounds for dismissal from a role as a representative of an international organization uggggggggggggggggh
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I'm the one who's saying racism is racism, yeah. i'm supposed to be impressed by this 14 year old on facebook level "reverse racism" argument, right?
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tbh I don't get all that worked up when someone I don't know posts a facebook rant about ~all lovely white people~, because I'm a white dude in America which more than balances out hurt internet feelings.
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I'm Munroe Burgdorf and I would just like to apologise and say that I realise I was wrong for my statements, the arguments in this thread really opened my eyes to my bigotry. I now realise the error of my ways and will try to better emulate the ideals held by the white race
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Gonna start by letting this dog lick me in the mouth. come here boy
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good dog I used to feed leftover tater tots to my old golden retrievers years ago...
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Jeb! Repetition posted:You really hosed up when disgusting centrist Hamprince is able to call you out. you got this dynamic completely backwards
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Mecha Gojira posted:good dog did it die of dogabetes like that fat rear end is going to?
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Saying "all white people ___" is prejudiced as gently caress and no one would argue the contrary if it were about non-white fat gently caress Americans, hth It's clear from context she was just ranting on social media and shouldn't have been fired though a primate has issued a correction as of 01:49 on Sep 2, 2017 |
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Blue Train posted:did it die of dogabetes like that fat rear end is going to? Hips gave out, couldn't walk no more. It's okay, they lived to ripe old ages of ~13.
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as a centrist, I got to hand it to her; she finally found a way to call Bernie sanders racist that leftists will defend
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Fallen Hamprince posted:as a centrist, I got to hand it to her; she finally found a way to call Bernie sanders racist that leftists will defend Lol
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a primate posted:Saying "all white people ___" is prejudiced as gently caress and no one would argue the contrary if it were about non-white fat gently caress Americans, hth yeah, but historical materialism literally doesn't care about your feelings #NotAllWhitePeople
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Mecha Gojira posted:yeah, but historical materialism literally doesn't care about your feelings I don't disagree, just nitpicking
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Mecha Gojira posted:yeah, but historical materialism literally doesn't care about your feelings Historical materialism doesn't even have anything to do with the racist stuff you're advocating.
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a primate posted:I don't disagree, just nitpicking But it illustrates the main point. There is a difference between, "White people get feelings hurt because someone is personally prejudiced towards them," vs. "The Crushing System of White Supremacy that Dominates Global Capitalism," and liberals and centrists love to conflate the two because it allows them to continue the status quo since racism isn't the insane abuse of "minority" people from "majority" positions, but personal failings of individuals, and it would be solved if we all just held hands and sung kumbaya. Edit: #NotAllWhitePeople
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mrmcd posted:tbh I don't get all that worked up when someone I don't know posts a facebook rant about ~all lovely white people~, because I'm a white dude in America which more than balances out hurt internet feelings. it's kind of depressing to hear comments like this, since they are symptoms of a larger racial divide in the US and elsewhere. tone arguments aside, white Americans may need to hear it
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Mecha Gojira posted:But it illustrates the main point. There is a difference between, "White people get feelings hurt because someone is personally prejudiced towards them," vs. "The Crushing System of White Supremacy that Dominates Global Capitalism," and liberals and centrists love to conflate the two because it allows them to continue the status quo since racism isn't the insane abuse of "minority" people from "majority" positions, but personal failings of individuals, and it would be solved if we all just held hands and sung kumbaya. I never conflated those two forms of racism.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I'm the one who's saying racism is racism, yeah. Textbook example of a white person insisting they know more about racism than the oppressed, having the wrong definition of racism, and then doubling and tripling down on it forever while never ever once considering that they might be wrong and listening to people of color like they should be. Your definition of racism is wrong. You don't know what racism actually is. Listen to people of color and grow the gently caress up and learn to admit that you don't actually know everything. You're not nearly as smart as you think you are.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I never conflated those two forms of racism. You're doing it now by even considering the first to be a form of racism.
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Mecha Gojira posted:But it illustrates the main point. There is a difference between, "White people get feelings hurt because someone is personally prejudiced towards them," vs. "The Crushing System of White Supremacy that Dominates Global Capitalism," and liberals and centrists love to conflate the two because it allows them to continue the status quo since racism isn't the insane abuse of "minority" people from "majority" positions, but personal failings of individuals, and it would be solved if we all just held hands and sung kumbaya. I guess the problem with social media posts like this is that select few people can make an accurate statement about white economic dominance in the west, racism, and the state of global capitalism without pissing off a bunch of whites. The Discourse is messy and we shouldn't be too alarmed when someone's inner feelings are a little insensitive to a bunch of people, since those feelings are really a symptom and thus a commentary on the state of racism and global capitalism
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They literally had to make up a term for it in the last several years: White Fragility. By the way, full disclosure, I'm a white dude. #NotAllWhitePeople #NotAllMen #NotAllAnimeNerds
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Nothing the black lady saif was historical materialism, it is like the prime example of woke-politics white guilt bullshit. She didn't deserve to get fired but she is wrong and dumb.
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the most objectionable aspect of the rant, basically unforgivable from a philosophical perspective, is the characterization of the white race as a 'force of nature', pretty much directly in line with modern racist thinking, when in reality races are a socially constructed social grouping whose membership is defined by the views of the observer. it's not a condemnation of the very real and abhorrent phenomenon of white supremacy, or the equally real and abhorrent complacency so many of its beneficiaries. it's an assertion of collective guilt by a massive and vaguely defined group of ethnicities, driven by the author's desire to vent her frustrations to social media, something a spokesmodel for a makeup company should be able to resist
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If you're characterizing racial oppression as stemming from racialist essentialism, you're not in fact anti-racist, you're just another moron. But given society and the way it is, and the abuse this lady is subject or potentially subject to, I'll forgive her for being a moron.
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rudatron posted:If your characterizing racial oppression as stemming from racialist essentialism, you're not in fact anti-racist, you're just another moron. I'm sure she'll be extremely relieved to hear that some white pedant on the internet is prepared to forgive her abject stupidity about the racism she's experienced, it's very big of you
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Also the 'not 100% on your side ' argument is incredibly stupid and dangerous. No one but yourself is 100% on your side, ever, but you need allies to ever get anything done. Its arrogant to dismiss people using that as a reason. Its also stupid when you're in a conflict, which you ostensibly want to win (or not lose). Manpower matters.
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Okay but that doesn't apply at all because anyone who refuses the cause because someone said mean words was never going to be be part of it anyway Like they were literally just waiting for an excuse to get back to not caring
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Its about inclusion, not strictly 'mean words'. If your price for white inclusion is self-castracting/emasculating guilt-tripping, white people are not going to feel or be included, with the possibly exception of a small minority of self-hating whites. If that's something you want, over and above changing society for the better, then you don't need to worry about anything I said, and can keep doing what you're doing.
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rudatron posted:Also the 'not 100% on your side ' argument is incredibly stupid and dangerous. No one but yourself is 100% on your side, ever, but you need allies to ever get anything done. Its arrogant to dismiss people using that as a reason. Its also stupid when you're in a conflict, which you ostensibly want to win (or not lose). Manpower matters. A bad ally will always be more dangerous than the worst enemy. Those small percentage points become a lot larger when you take into account the amount political issues we face.
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MizPiz posted:A bad ally will always be more dangerous than the worst enemy. Those small percentage points become a lot larger when you take into account the amount political issues we face.
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