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UmOk posted:Palpatine talked about bringing peace to the Galaxy. He might be the only character in Stam Wars to even mention peace. Obi-Wan refers to Jedi as guardians of peace and justice. Vader mentions ending the destructive conflict. Doesn't Chancellor Valorum quote Neville Chamberlain?
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Brother Entropy posted:the first order is what neo-nazis like to imagine they are, just like how the resistance is what modern democrats like to imagine they are Again, not actually. Today's white supremacism is a mixture of revelling in feelings of abject impotence and a corresponding sense of entitlement. The fundamental logic is "I'm a piece of poo poo, I'm worthless, I'm weak, and therefore I should be allowed to do anything!" White supremacists have no illusions of ever gaining power, let alone building ridiculous megastructures. To actually win would go against their whole sour-grapes philosophy. War For The Planet Of The Apes has a pretty solid depiction of a white supremacist survivalist enclave.
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Sep 1, 2017 20:40
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Is there any supplemental reading for the new series of movies? I used to love Star Wars as a kid and enjoyed the whole Tales from the Bounty Hunters, Jabba's Palace and Mos Eisley until they retconned Boba Fett's true name from being Jaster MeReel and wanted to know if there was something equivalent to that now. I am not expecting high literature, but not expecting it to be hot garbage either.
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Sep 1, 2017 20:46
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfEw5H_LSoQ ALEC WAS RIGHT L E C W A S R I G H T
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Sep 1, 2017 20:48
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Just call them Nazi(empire) enthusiasts or something so smugstick doesn't have to pretend he doesn't know what you're talking about.
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Sep 1, 2017 20:49
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Kylo Ren did nothing wrong
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Sep 1, 2017 21:18
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The First Order is oddly multicultural, like a Death Wish gang. Ever since Disney took over this is true of the Empire too. Now the Empire has people of colour and lesbians in high ranking positions. It's dumb.
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Sep 1, 2017 21:34
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Mechafunkzilla posted:I'm talking about the film, not the novelization. And he's clearly bullshitting anyway. Oh well, such is the way of things
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Sep 1, 2017 21:36
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In the next episode it will be revealed that the FO started as a satirical/ironical movement like the Applefront that spun out of control.
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Sep 1, 2017 21:51
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Vinylshadow posted:It's what everyone in the FO believes (Hux's grand speech comes to mind) and the novel is still a canonical source of information and would've made the movie infinitely better, but they cut all the important info dumps because they wanted an OT rehash instead of building a new coherent world what does hux say now again ive forgot like legit it's a bunch of nothing isn't it
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Sep 1, 2017 21:53
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I'm currently in my 30's, living in a fantasy world of childish banalities.
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Sep 1, 2017 22:01
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An evil BB-8? How are they not out of ideas?
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Sep 1, 2017 22:01
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PriorMarcus posted:Ever since Disney took over this is true of the Empire too. Now the Empire has people of colour and lesbians in high ranking positions. It's dumb. Prequels are good moment: the anodyne Republic very quickly and quietly becomes (white male) human supremacist. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Sep 1, 2017 |
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Sep 1, 2017 22:11
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PriorMarcus posted:Ever since Disney took over this is true of the Empire too. Now the Empire has people of colour and lesbians in high ranking positions. It's dumb. why is their coloreds and womens in my star wars. and little white cuckballs. not my empire. kek
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Sep 1, 2017 22:18
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Wild Horses posted:what does hux say now again ive forgot Such fervor, such symbolism
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Sep 1, 2017 22:52
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Vinylshadow posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWENGFKQaL0 Wow, this is way worse than I remember it.
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PriorMarcus posted:Ever since Disney took over this is true of the Empire too. Now the Empire has people of colour and lesbians in high ranking positions. It's dumb. HIRE 👏 MORE 👏 WOMEN 👏 STORMTROOPERS
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Sep 2, 2017 00:18
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UmOk posted:Just call them Nazi(empire) enthusiasts or something so smugstick doesn't have to pretend he doesn't know what you're talking about. The narrative is not about 'Civil War reenactor' nerds. The narrative is alt-history "WHAT IF... Confederates won the Civil War?!" silliness. The baddies only come across as the former because of crap design.
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Nroo posted:HIRE 👏 MORE 👏 WOMEN 👏 STORMTROOPERS They wear the same armor as the males do instead of midriff-baring boobplate armor that screams "shoot me!"  Plus, could you imagine wearing something like that on, oh, Hoth or Endor? Have fun dealing with the elements while your other squad members are comfortable(ish) inside their body-covering armor that keeps out the elements
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Sep 2, 2017 01:13
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Vinylshadow posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWENGFKQaL0 He doesn't like the Republic.
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Sep 2, 2017 01:29
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I guess the new bit here is that, unlike detached British imperial rear end in a top hat Peter Cushing, Domhnall Gleeson is young and really into it. But what exactly is he into? Not the Republic, I guess, but beyond that things are a little vague. His hat has some silly flaps that make him look like some kind of officer cadet or cosplayer. He's angry and therefore Bad.
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Sep 2, 2017 01:52
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TFA made me appreciate the prequels so much more. TFA is so bad.
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Sep 2, 2017 01:52
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Really? I thought TFA was objectively amazing and the prequels rather terrible. They were so bleak and lacked heart! Especially with all the CGs.
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Sep 2, 2017 01:58
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The prequels had too much heart, really. George Lucas's heart is weird af.
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Sep 2, 2017 02:01
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No Star Wams fan will ever be happy with Ster Wars. None. PS: gently caress Rebels
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Sep 2, 2017 02:04
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I always enjoy TFA in the moment, but there's too much stuff that seems half-explored like the Knights of Ren or where the hell the First Order came from
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grieving for Gandalf posted:I always enjoy TFA in the moment, but there's too much stuff that seems half-explored like the Knights of Ren or where the hell the First Order came from Same. 3 flows into 4 much better than 6 flows into 7.
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Sep 2, 2017 02:07
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JJ wrote TFA like you'd write the pilot to a would-be longing running TV series. Hmm...
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Sep 2, 2017 02:08
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porfiria posted:The prequels had too much heart, really. George Lucas's heart is weird af. Yeah, but when you get George Lucas's heart, you get literal volcano hell planets and Ray Harryhausen monsters. Now we're just left with Porgs and BB-H8. poo poo, the Ewoks didn't even have this kind of pre-film marketing push. They were literally blacked out on the backs of early release Return of the Jedi figures.
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Mecha Gojira posted:Yeah, but when you get George Lucas's heart, you get literal volcano hell planets and Ray Harryhausen monsters. https://www.polygon.com/2017/8/31/16233874/star-wars-bb-9e-evil-bb-8-droid-the-last-jedi I know this was already posted I just love evil BB8. So dumb.
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grieving for Gandalf posted:I always enjoy TFA in the moment, but there's too much stuff that seems half-explored like the Knights of Ren or where the hell the First Order came from You know there's two films left in the trilogy...right?
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Sep 2, 2017 02:43
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jivjov posted:You know there's two films left in the trilogy...right? 'just wait for the next movie' is weak
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Brother Entropy posted:'just wait for the next movie' is weak So ongoing storylines are a no-go?
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Sep 2, 2017 02:52
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jivjov posted:You know there's two films left in the trilogy...right? Is it too much to ask that a movie be good on its own, rather than half reboot, half "we'll figure out how to make this pay off later"?
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Brother Entropy posted:'just wait for the next movie' is weak I'm still pissed that Jorge Lukas made me wait 15 years after RoTJ to find out what a Jedi was.
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jivjov posted:You know there's two films left in the trilogy...right? That's a given, but sometimes loose threads aren't always welcome, and feels symptomatic of the new MCU. One of the wonderful things about the original movie(s) is that those elements that took hold of public imagination weren't even necessarily planned. For God's sake, nobody even realized that Darth Vader was going to be such a sensation; he wasn't supposed to hold any more weight than Tarkin. In TFA, it feels like an enormous amount of effort was put into planting mysteries, which don't feel as fun to speculate about when they are so deliberate and contrived. When the information isn't withheld in a graceful way, it feels like a forced mystery that isn't any fun to ponder. With A New Hope, there isn't a lot left for the audience to wonder about other than sort of ancillary or residual marginalia about the universe- all the information you need to understand the story is included in the film (same with The Phantom Menace). In TFA, critical pieces of information are withheld simply to entice you to watch another film. It's stylistic and subjective, but it doesn't work for everyone, myself included. So much of what propels ANH is understanding Luke and his background, where he came from, what drives him, etc. TFA really bottomed out on that aspect of the film. And, as this thread can attest, there's an enormous amount of (unintentional) confusion about who the bad guys are, where they came from, what their motivations are, etc. They feel reverse engineered from a storytelling perspective. An evil empire is more or less self-explanatory, The First Order feels like an incoherent mish-mash of ideas that were selected to ensure that we could keep putting Stormtroopers in a Star Wars movie. edit: I really think the best thing to do with the anthology movies would've been to make them bridging films starring non-familiar characters that can explore the interstitial period in between each trilogy (Rogue One is essentially Episode 3.95 so that doesn't count). But a film that takes place between ROTJ and TFA, starring none of the regular characters, whose purpose is primarily to tell an interesting stand-alone story unbounded by the normal strictures of the Skywalker story, with the ability to fill in some story gaps would be a good idea. Jewmanji fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Sep 2, 2017 |
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porfiria posted:https://www.polygon.com/2017/8/31/16233874/star-wars-bb-9e-evil-bb-8-droid-the-last-jedi I'll call it what it is: a black repaint.
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I'm not sure. The Force Awakens has more that is vague about it than any other of the others, but everything vague in any of the six has the advantage of being expanded on very satisfyingly in the other five. I can't separate my understanding or enjoyment of any of the George Lucas ones from my understanding and enjoyment of the rest of them. If I'm trying to compare or rank them, my own thoughts are suspect. Despite the heterogeneity of styles, it seems to me that the sequel trilogy is being presented less three complete films and more a single work in three parts, even in comparison to Lucas' work (noting the irony that he was the one who popularized the trilogy format in the first place). At the very least, if that interpretation is the more flattering one, I'll gladly prefer it, since I like liking things. But obviously it's not possible to interpret The Force Awakens as part of a whole if the other parts of that whole don't exist yet, and standing alone it's a movie that glosses over or even just skips many things that could give it badly wanted specificity. The timidity is frustrating as it's certainly capable of being provocative and meaningful when it wants to.
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porfiria posted:I guess the new bit here is that, unlike detached British imperial rear end in a top hat Peter Cushing, Domhnall Gleeson is young and really into it. But what exactly is he into? Not the Republic, I guess, but beyond that things are a little vague. His hat has some silly flaps that make him look like some kind of officer cadet or cosplayer. He's angry and therefore Bad.
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porfiria posted:https://www.polygon.com/2017/8/31/16233874/star-wars-bb-9e-evil-bb-8-droid-the-last-jedi Funny thing is the Marvel Darth Vader comic already did this with an evil C-3PO & R2-D2
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