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👏Donald 👏 Trump 👏 Has 👏 Always 👏 Been 👏Racist 👏 Actually, just have this http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/every-moment-donald-trumps-long-complicated-history-race/
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No poo poo, who here's debating it is basically what I already asked, discounting like any of the already transparent people you should be ignoring.
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Sep 2, 2017 16:58
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Its like trying to convince my mother that her mother now screaming racial slurs about everything and everyone might make her still racist even though she's gone down the angry Alzheimer's path. Even before the disease kicked in she hated the Japanese after Pearl Harbor and when I bring that up, "oh well, that's just okay" because apparently a bad thing happened when she was a teenager so its okay if she thinks they need to bring back interment camps because we don't know if they're doing anything shifty at the new Honda factory down the way. "She taught black kids, she isn't racist". 
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Sep 2, 2017 17:01
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Yardbomb posted:No poo poo, who here's debating it is basically what I already asked, discounting like any of the already transparent people you should be ignoring. I would show you their posts but I don't think Guyovich wants me to start 'helldumping' people after last night. (Which I don't blame him, his reports must have been a mess lol) Why don't you check out the last couple pages or google for "Is Trump racist or just dumb?" Op-eds. People need to stop coming into this thread and asking everyone else to do their research for them anyway.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:05
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Crabtree posted:Its like trying to convince my mother that her mother now screaming racial slurs about everything and everyone might make her still racist even though she's gone down the angry Alzheimer's path. Even before the disease kicked in she hated the Japanese after Pearl Harbor and when I bring that up, "oh well, that's just okay" because apparently a bad thing happened when she was a teenager so its okay if she thinks they need to bring back interment camps because we don't know if they're doing anything shifty at the new Honda factory down the way. "She taught black kids, she isn't racist". I've noticed that very strange thing about white people- they'll hold the children of other nations accountable for the crimes of previous generations in that nation. Except other white people. I think that's a very primal, tribal, factor in developing racist beliefs. Like step one is thinking you can judge a person based on how they look. Step two is you can hold people who come from the same place accountable for each other's crimes. Step three is eternal blood feuds over ancient history. Every time something bad happens in Japan the white id says it's justice for Pearl Harbor. Every time a cop kills a black person, the white id sees justice for this one cop they heard about who was shot.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:13
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Minion of Freya posted:I've noticed that very strange thing about white people- they'll hold the children of other nations accountable for the crimes of previous generations in that nation. Except other white people. I think that's a very primal, tribal, factor in developing racist beliefs. Like step one is thinking you can judge a person based on how they look. Step two is you can hold people who come from the same place accountable for each other's crimes. Step three is eternal blood feuds over ancient history. I wonder if there's a corollary between this and belief in original sin?
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Sep 2, 2017 17:18
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The best thing about the Job Approval T-Rex, the very best thing, is the placement of the 50% line. Trump has never not been underwater. He started in the hole and dug down. That has literally never happened before in recorded polling history. Even Ford and Truman, despite not being elected and having dubious tenures, came into office at +60% approval. Trump's highest approval rating is lower than Nixon's at the start of the Watergate commission. Trump's best day in office is worse than "I am not a crook!"
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Sep 2, 2017 17:18
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RuanGacho posted:I wonder if there's a corollary between this and belief in original sin? No it's a corollary between that and white supremacy
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Sep 2, 2017 17:19
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Fluffdaddy posted:No it's a corollary between that and white supremacy I'm just trying to further illuminate/explore the 1:1 between evangelicals and hate. The sooner we bond the secret white supremacists with the overt ones, the sooner we can deal with them as a culture. America has a theological problem and its rather taboo to talk about still.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:23
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Fluffdaddy posted:No it's a corollary between that and white supremacy It is basic tribalism. When bad things happen to "us" it is always unjustified. When bad things happen to "others" it is always justified. RuanGacho posted:I'm just trying to further illuminate/explore the 1:1 between evangelicals and hate. The sooner we bond the secret white supremacists with the overt ones, the sooner we can deal with them as a culture. Original Sin is Catholic and is a very specific thing. Evangelic Protestantism rejects the concept.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:23
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Sep 2, 2017 17:24
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Minion of Freya posted:I've noticed that very strange thing about white people- they'll hold the children of other nations accountable for the crimes of previous generations in that nation. Except other white people. I think that's a very primal, tribal, factor in developing racist beliefs. Like step one is thinking you can judge a person based on how they look. Step two is you can hold people who come from the same place accountable for each other's crimes. Step three is eternal blood feuds over ancient history. Except my mother hates trump and is supposedly a life long dem. But she was raised in the south by a single mom who always spoke bad of the Japanese and probably just shoved it into the corner of "well that's just mom", perpetually justifying and absolving her of guilt for a whole goddamn lifetime of open racism for one group of people in order to make sure feelings aren't hurt. The same evil she sees in creating a forever war against all of Islam over 9/11 she'll just say "that's not her, she isn't racist" when grandma's now throwing bile openly against everyone that isn't white as the disease that will likely end her life peels back the layers of deniability and social awareness that likely made her keep the other stuff buried after Civil Rights.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:24
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Trabisnikof posted:Who needs a list there is only one poster who is the worst! 
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Sep 2, 2017 17:25
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^I adore this fish hook "Win by any means" is already the GOP mantra.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:26
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The word you're looking for is correlation, not corollary.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:27
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Xae posted:Original Sin is Catholic and is a very specific thing. Evangelic Protestantism rejects the concept. Wait for real? Well poo poo. Today I learned.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:27
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Xae posted:It is basic tribalism. Black folks don't do this though.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:29
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The fact that the URL ends in "fake news media" suggests that it may not be serious. If it was written as a persuasive argument intentionally, I believe it may be concern trolling. A lot of people on the right seem to believe they have mystical powers of persuasion. I'm exaggerating, of course, but they certainly believe they can make arguments to trick their opponents into mistakes. Now, the internet is big enough where some people will fall for it because some people are gullible and believe what they read. But, the vast majority of people just end up seeing right through it. It's like when 4chan does their weekly attempt to pretend to be minority/liberal/antifa/etc. on the internet, especially on Twitter, to try to smear their opponents. Of course, almost no one falls for it.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:29
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pumpinglemma posted:The word you're looking for is correlation, not corollary. Right, thanks. Lightning Knight posted:Wait for real? Well poo poo. Today I learned. poo poo I've outted myself as raised papist.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:31
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Lightning Knight posted:Wait for real? Well poo poo. Today I learned. It gets complicated. Catholics lay claim to the definition of "Original Sin", because they invented it. Mainline Protestant churches largely reject Original Sin, but are pretty OK with the concept and theory behind it. There is general agreement that Man is sinful by nature, but Protestant churches reject Original Sin as defined by the Catholic Church. A ton of it boils down to Protestantism rejecting the specific Catholic doctrine, but accepting the underlying premise.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:31
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Minion of Freya posted:I've noticed that very strange thing about white people- they'll hold the children of other nations accountable for the crimes of previous generations in that nation. Except other white people. I think that's a very primal, tribal, factor in developing racist beliefs. Like step one is thinking you can judge a person based on how they look. Step two is you can hold people who come from the same place accountable for each other's crimes. Step three is eternal blood feuds over ancient history. It's just an excuse. You're thinking too deep into it. They want to be angry and feel righteous about it. So, they invent a reason. It's no more complicated than that.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:32
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RuanGacho posted:poo poo I've outted myself as raised papist.  Xae posted:It gets complicated. Ah. Interesting. I was in high school before I realized Catholicism was a minority religion in America because I came from a heavily Catholic area. 
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Sep 2, 2017 17:33
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n3wt posted:It's bitter and needs roasting? you can also just rub it with some oil until it goes soft
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Sep 2, 2017 17:34
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actionjackson posted:I just saw this, it made me think about everyone that was saying we should have "Europe-style" free-speech restrictions. I had expressed concern that they could easily be used against left-wing viewpoints as well. Very interesting read. Thank you for sharing.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:35
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Xae posted:It gets complicated. That's largely a semantic distinction, though. The concept that humans are inherently flawed and incapable of fixing themselves is at the core of Christian theology of any stripe. No original sin = no need for Jesus.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:35
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Im going to take this moment to pivot and ask why more people arent concerned with Trumps religion because they sure as hell were convinced Obama was muslim (read: black/unamerican). While Trump needs no help destroying his relationship with the business community, some good and needed damage could be done to his approvals if we can get him to attack the religious, which I don't imagine should be hard with a narcissist. Maybe PJ has some insight into that or why it hasn't really happened yet.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:37
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SocketWrench posted:Yeah, racism played a part, but not to the extent that party first republicans and gullible idiocy did. Hell he had the coal industry in his pocket because he was the only one telling them their jobs would be secure just to knife them in the back later
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Sep 2, 2017 17:38
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Xae posted:A ton of it boils down to Protestantism rejecting the specific Catholic doctrine, but accepting the underlying premise. also not to go all sociology of religion but you run into trouble saying 'Evangical Protestantism believes in ______' on almost any issue - apart from the big ones like every individual having a personal relationship with Jesus/God - as it's a huge and diverse body of different churches with often radically different viewpoints.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:38
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Sep 2, 2017 17:39
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Deteriorata posted:That's largely a semantic distinction, though. The concept that humans are inherently flawed and incapable of fixing themselves is at the core of Christian theology of any stripe. No original sin = no need for Jesus. The idea is known as total depravity - that not one among us is flawless and deserves or ever can deserve heaven. The disagreement about original sin is more down to was it specifically Adam and Eve's fault or is it just part of who we are.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:39
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Lightning Knight posted:
I remember being taught, as a Lutheran, that while we believed in "something like Original Sin", it had a completely different basis and theological remedy than Catholics and that we shouldn't use the term to avoid confusion. When our Confirmation (Catechism) class did a comparative study of Catholicism it largely boiled down to: Lutherans don't think you need to go through a Priest to have a relationship with God. We either used the same term and defined it differently, or used the same concept and called it a different name. Plus a poo poo load less legalism. RuanGacho posted:Im going to take this moment to pivot and ask why more people arent concerned with Trumps religion because they sure as hell were convinced Obama was muslim (read: black/unamerican). While Trump needs no help destroying his relationship with the business community, some good and needed damage could be done to his approvals if we can get him to attack the religious, which I don't imagine should be hard with a narcissist. Maybe PJ has some insight into that or why it hasn't really happened yet. Because he is White. Xae fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Sep 2, 2017 |
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RuanGacho posted:Im going to take this moment to pivot and ask why more people arent concerned with Trumps religion because they sure as hell were convinced Obama was muslim (read: black/unamerican). While Trump needs no help destroying his relationship with the business community, some good and needed damage could be done to his approvals if we can get him to attack the religious, which I don't imagine should be hard with a narcissist. Maybe PJ has some insight into that or why it hasn't really happened yet. He's white and he said he's a god haver. The masses are willing to take whatever a white man says at face value.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:42
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Sorus posted:He's white and he said he's a god haver. The masses are willing to take whatever a white man says at face value. It seems like this might be part of the theological problem I mentioned.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:43
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Xae posted:I remember being taught, as a Lutheran, that while we believed in "something like Original Sin", it had a completely different basis and theological remedy than Catholics and that we shouldn't use the term to avoid confusion. The main thing is that you don't need to regularly unload your sins to a priest to be absolved of them - Jesus just does that because you are a good Protestant who works hard.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:46
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Lightning Knight posted:
Catholicism is the largest religion by numbers in the US. something like 70m+ identify as catholic. Xae posted:It gets complicated. This is accurate only by the most pedantic of definitions.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:48
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hanales posted:Catholicism is the largest religion by numbers in the US. something like 70m+ identify as catholic. Welcome to religions. They give a lot of fucks about the precise definition of terms.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:56
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Sorus posted:He's white and he said he's a god haver. The masses are willing to take whatever a white man says at face value. Well he's also a Republican, just like Jesus.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:56
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RuanGacho posted:I wonder if there's a corollary between this and belief in original sin? There is without a doubt some fundamental belief thingy between humans that spans all regions and cultures that credit/blame/honor is either in the blood or in the character. See for example the Islamic split on whether Muhammeds divinity was passed down through his bloodline or through his Imams. It branches out into racial identity versus national identity. Family ties of blood or of relations (like step parents)
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Sep 2, 2017 17:57
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hanales posted:This is accurate only by the most pedantic of definitions.
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Timely article: Why most evangelicals don’t condemn Trump Answer: racism
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