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I would be surprised if the polls ever hit 50/50 again.
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Sep 3, 2017 13:01
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h how? How did they REGAIN ground??!
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Sep 3, 2017 13:10
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Don Dongington posted:h how? Statistical noise?
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Sep 3, 2017 13:12
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Don Dongington posted:h how? Margin of error
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Sep 3, 2017 13:13
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Oh it's Newspoll too. They always skew right because of that sociological effect that causes the weak minded to always back the winner etc.
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Sep 3, 2017 13:23
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Within margin of error = meaningless. Meanwhile in the Australian - big article about the Turnbull comeback.
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Sep 3, 2017 13:23
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Don Dongington posted:h how? Scatological error
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Sep 3, 2017 13:38
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Don Dongington posted:h how? You know, I'm normally a labor supporter, and I was GOING to vote for them, but I don't like having all these Vote Yes people tel
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Sep 3, 2017 13:44
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Don Dongington posted:h how? Bounce effect; you're always going to dip to the lowest after a huge fuckup and then regain a bit a few weeks later.
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Sep 3, 2017 13:46
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-04/senate-dress-code-examined-after-pauline-hansons-burka-stunt/8868106quote:The President of the Senate is today expected to formally push for a stricter Senate dress code after One Nation Leader Pauline Hanson wore a burka in the Chamber.
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Sep 3, 2017 20:46
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Within margin of error = meaningless. is that actually a thing in statistics or is it just something parotted by political junkies when their side takes a hit in the polls?
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Sep 3, 2017 20:51
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gay picnic defence posted:is that actually a thing in statistics or is it just something parotted by political junkies when their side takes a hit in the polls? It means it's indistinguishable from noise, it could be something, but you literally can't know. It's why you look at the trend over time, even if it's only moving within the margin of error each time you can draw far more of a conclusion. https://twitter.com/tomwestland/status/903859246265057280 WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Sep 3, 2017 |
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Sep 3, 2017 21:59
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MysticalMachineGun posted:Do you think at the height of the mining boom it might have been financially feasible? WA has really only two options for financial self sufficiency. One is mineral resources, which leaves them very exposed to commodity price cycles and as already pointed out would require significant tax policy changes. So no. The other is to be a food basket for Asia / ANZ. Expand Ord River scheme, grow more wheat etc. But to compete in the markets, the standard of living would have to be substantially lower, or bring in low wage slaves. We know what would happen. Perth is too far really for any viable service industries to bring in substantial prosperity. I suppose knowledge industries could work but you're competing with Singapore, HK, and of course Brisbane/Sydney/Melbourne.
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Sep 3, 2017 22:02
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gay picnic defence posted:is that actually a thing in statistics or is it just something parotted by political junkies when their side takes a hit in the polls? Yeah, it's the width of the confidence interval, ie Newspoll are very sure (typically 95%) that predictions are within a small amount of the correct values.
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Sep 3, 2017 22:11
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So according to Four Corners most of our construction boom is full of questionable materials. Australian high-rises swathed in flammable cladding despite suppliers knowing of risks More than a decade before the deadly Grenfell tower fire in London, Australian suppliers of aluminium composite cladding knew the product they were selling with a polyethylene (PE) core was highly flammable. Despite more fire-resistant cladding being widely available in Europe and the USA, the cheaper PE core cladding continued to be installed on medium and high-rise buildings in Australia until 2013. A Four Corners investigation has revealed that some international manufacturers and their Australian suppliers were aware of the risks associated with using PE cladding on high-rise buildings, but they continued to import it because Australia's lax and ambiguous building standards allowed it. Australia — in the grip of a once-in-a-generation building boom — now has a large legacy of buildings swathed in the potentially deadly material. The number of affected properties is unknown but could be in the thousands, with a preliminary audit in NSW alone identifying 1,011 buildings that require investigation. There could be thousands of home owners who are living in unsafe apartment buildings who face multimillion-dollar bills to fix their buildings. Aluminium Composite Material (ACM) began to be imported in the late 1970s and quickly became popular with architects because of its versatility, light weight and modern look. By the early 2000s it was gracing new high-rise developments, such as Jackson's Landing in Sydney, apartment blocks in Docklands in Melbourne and several public buildings such as Fremantle Maritime Museum. PE core cladding, which was originally developed for signage, was initially the main product imported. But by 2000, at least one Australian supply company swapped to importing a product with a more fire-resistant core, after the manufacturer in Japan showed them fire tests comparing fire resistant and PE cladding. Before that date, the Sydney supplier, Stephen Geddes, acknowledges that "tens of thousands of square metres … if not hundreds of thousands of square metres" of polyethylene core cladding had already been used on buildings. And, despite the risks having been identified, other companies continued to import and install the more highly flammable product. Ambiguous standards combined with poor enforcement It is not illegal to import PE cladding or use it in certain situations. But most types of cladding on the market fail the main test used to determine combustibility. While combustible material is not strictly allowed on multi-storey buildings, even that is not black and white. It is possible for an expert to sign off that a building meets the code if other safety measures are in place. Fire engineer Tony Enright says regulations have not kept up with the speed of development. "Things have descended to the lowest common denominator," he said. "As soon as there's an obstacle to a development, [the attitude is] 'oh well, let's fire engineer it away'." Most states have moved to a system of private certification where the building certifier is employed directly by the builder, rather than the council inspecting the building. The ambiguous standards are combined with poor enforcement and, some say, a conflict of interest between safety and economy. "We have, if you will, a builder, a certifier and a fire engineer who are incentivised to reduce cost," Mr Enright said. "The builder because it's going straight on to their bottom line; the certifier because they want repeat work from the builder; the fire engineer because they want repeat work from the certifier and the builder. "And so they're all taking risks. It's the building owners who bear those risks." Added strain on fire departments The number of potentially dangerous buildings around the country has put added strain on fire authorities. They got a glimpse of just how catastrophic a high-rise cladding fire could be in 2014, when a cigarette left burning on a balcony sparked a major fire at Melbourne's Lacrosse building. Adam Dalrymple, from Melbourne's Metropolitan Fire Brigade, said they had never seen anything like it in their 125-year history. "You have multiple sets of fire over multiple levels all at the same time. What that does is actually challenges the way you fight a fire," he said. Commander Mark Carter said they now have "enhanced response plans" for six buildings which remain occupied but are considered high risk due to their cladding. This means extra fire trucks and extra ladders would all need to be called in if fire breaks out in those buildings. "The reality of fighting a fire in any of these high-rises is … it's an intense resource activity and it's an activity that this has added a huge complexity, the fact that we've got combustible stuff on the facade of these buildings," Commander Carter said. In the wake of the Grenfell fire, most states began audits to identify which buildings had flammable cladding. There are now calls to follow the lead of countries like the United Arab Emirates, which has banned the import of polyethylene cladding following several horrific high-rise fires involving the material. 
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Sep 3, 2017 22:43
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This wouldn't have happened if there wasn't so much red tape driving up costs for hard working property developers and forcing them to find savings in other areas at the cost of public safety
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Sep 3, 2017 22:53
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Considering that all the state constitutions are just acts of Federal Parliament, would WA be allowed to legally secede anyway? I sincerely doubt that the FedParl is going to vote an amendment through to give WA the provision
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Sep 3, 2017 23:30
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Endman posted:Considering that all the state constitutions are just acts of Federal Parliament, would WA be allowed to legally secede anyway? I think it was already mentioned that there would need to be a referendum to change the law to allow a state to succeed, then wa would need to do that. The referendum would be pretty funny, it's essentially the rest of Australia going "we're sick of your poo poo, fine, gently caress off"
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Sep 3, 2017 23:44
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Abc posted:Former prime minister Tony Abbott says Bill Shorten must show prove he's not a dual citizen or "shut up", as Labor vows a campaign on disruption in Parliament. I hope show prove is a direct quote.
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Sep 3, 2017 23:59
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“What I can recall at the end of the flight were some words where Turnbull berated Abbott in front of three of Abbott’s staffers to the words to the effect of, ‘You’re the most disloyal c ... I’ve ever met’,” the source said. “He was affected by alcohol. He castigated the prime minister in front of his staff. He castigated George.”
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Sep 4, 2017 00:02
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Endman posted:Considering that all the state constitutions are just acts of Federal Parliament, would WA be allowed to legally secede anyway? They would require a war. I'm from Melbourne and I say kill em all.
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Sep 4, 2017 00:10
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:“What I can recall at the end of the flight were some words where Turnbull berated Abbott in front of three of Abbott’s staffers to the words to the effect of, ‘You’re the most disloyal c ... I’ve ever met’,” the source said. “He was affected by alcohol. He castigated the prime minister in front of his staff. He castigated George.” To save people a Telegraph click: quote:
By "declined to comment" I'm assuming they mean Abbott leaked the whole story to them. Senor Tron fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Sep 4, 2017 |
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Sep 4, 2017 00:18
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"Abbott's then staffers", but yeah.
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Sep 4, 2017 00:22
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quote:When the dinner was over, Mr Abbott, Mr Turnbull and cabinet ministers Julie Bishop, Joe Hockey and George Brandis boarded a late-night VIP flight back to Canberra for the rest of the parliamentary sitting week. My skin crawled reading this part
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Sep 4, 2017 00:24
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That jet should be decommissioned. It's obviously too tempting.
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Sep 4, 2017 00:34
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Oh if only it were true. I really can't imagine Turnbull calling someone a c-bomb though. Speaking of Turnbull, look to North Korea as their redirection point this week as Labor ask the quite valid question of "hang on, if Joyce is potentially ineligible isn't it a bad idea for him to be acting PM later this week?" On AM when asked about it he said Labor are worrying about nothing while this great war is going on. Having a Deputy PM/Acting PM who's actually valid is probably an important thing to have if war were declared!
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Sep 4, 2017 00:43
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Senor Tron posted:By "declined to comment" I'm assuming they mean Abbott leaked the whole story to them. YEAH WELL HE GETS DRUNK TOO GUYS
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Sep 4, 2017 00:43
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MysticalMachineGun posted:Oh if only it were true. I really can't imagine Turnbull calling someone a c-bomb though. Is there a reason the high court didn't hear this sooner? Waiting until October doesn't seem ideal.
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Sep 4, 2017 00:46
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A court determined you are allowed to call people that though 
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Sep 4, 2017 00:47
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Turnbull and every other member of parliament that is a boys club male would be c bombing everyone constantly.
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Sep 4, 2017 00:52
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The marriage equality movement and the new intolerance Tom Switzer is a senior research fellow at the Centre for Independent Studies and a presenter at the ABC's Radio National.
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Sep 4, 2017 00:57
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This was definitely leaked by either Abbott or Brandis, via a staffer most likely. You can tell, because an impartial source would have at least hinted at the issues behind Trumble’s criticism of Brandis' policy, and even drunk, I can't see Turnbull burning down Abbott without providing at least a short assessment of why he felt the way he did. The guy loves to burn people down but he's not prone to perjoratives alone - there's no way this account hasn't been deliberately stripped of anything that might damage Abbott/Brandis any further. Unless the tele deliberately omitted those details which I would not be shocked to hear.
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Sep 4, 2017 01:03
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Senor Tron posted:NEWS
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Sep 4, 2017 01:04
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Sep 4, 2017 01:06
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Yeah a thread rule on not just brainlessly pasting News Ltd articles without editing out this horseshit would be good - but I'm pretty sure the D&D Mods would only dare to read this thread while several sheets to the wind.
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Sep 4, 2017 01:11
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Capt.Whorebags posted:WA has really only two options for financial self sufficiency. One is mineral resources, which leaves them very exposed to commodity price cycles and as already pointed out would require significant tax policy changes. So no. Zenithe posted:A court determined you are allowed to call people that though The extent that we now live in some twilight zone of the fantasy kingdom of Oz is getting beyond parody, satire and gently caress only knows: http://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/am/am/8850590 I'd like to point out to our glorious leader that we are in fact still at war with North Korea. It was only an armistice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Armistice_Agreement. Also Bill Shorten is not responsible for giving Eve the apple. Props to Sabra Lane for pointing out that disrupting parliament was only doing what NTATA had done. -/- All posts should conform to the Cartoon style sheet. In fact only Cartoon posts should be allowed.
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Sep 4, 2017 01:16
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Don Dongington posted:This was definitely leaked by either Abbott or Brandis, via a staffer most likely. You can tell, because an impartial source would have at least hinted at the issues behind Trumble’s criticism of Brandis' policy, and even drunk, I can't see Turnbull burning down Abbott without providing at least a short assessment of why he felt the way he did. 100 bucks says Brandis said something brainless or Abbott started it. open24hours posted:Is there a reason the high court didn't hear this sooner? Waiting until October doesn't seem ideal. Lawyers for the Commonwealth wanted it done in September but the High Court thinks the complexity means they wouldn't be able to sort stuff in that timeframe. ABC posted:However, [Justice Kiefel] raised concerns whether the matters could be dealt with that quickly, particularly when Deputy Nationals leader Fiona Nash and South Australian senator Nick Xenophon's cases were awaiting formal referral to the court.
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Sep 4, 2017 01:17
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JBP posted:Turnbull and every other member of parliament that is a boys club male would be c bombing everyone constantly. More than likely but the way Turnbull presents himself in public makes it hard to imagine, is all I meant. I can picture Abbott slapping his boys on the back and saying "this c--- right here, top c---" before getting to Julie Bishop and awkwardly shaking her hand and shuffling away.
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Sep 4, 2017 01:19
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Ah yeah, I don't imagine him using it in a "this bloke's a good oval office ay" sense, but more as a go to for angry outbursts or when referring to a difficult "stakeholder".
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