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Incessant Excess posted:I recently bought a 1440p Freesync monitor (48-75hz range, seemingly able to be extended to 40-75hz via CRU) to do some moderate gaming on. It seems to be my options are either the RX 580 or the newer Vega 56. I’m leaning towards the RX 580, thinking it would be enough to get within my Freesync range at a mix of Medium and High settings for most games (particularly interested in PUBG and Titanfall 2). Is the RX 580 a good option for what I intend to do here or should I err on the side of more performance and get the Vega 56? I’m not in a huge rush to upgrade, so I’d be willing for Vega to become a bit more widely available, provided I would be waiting weeks rather than months. If you can get it at MSRP then Vega 56 is an OK long-term purchase but right now stock is short (one rumor says AMD is losing money on standalone 56 cards) and the drivers are an absolute mess. They are really bad, crashes are widespread and basic SOC control functions (voltage/clocks/etc) are broken as gently caress. Crossfire support? lol yeah right. The 480/580 is a much more stable platform and is comparable with a 1060/970/780 Ti, i.e. they are capable of 1440p at roughly 45fps ultra or perhaps 65 at medium settings. Unfortunately they are the coin mining card of choice and are also quite hard to get for that price. Also, you have to be really really careful about that lower-end framerate on FreeSync monitors that don't support LFC. You absolutely have to stay above your 40 fps FreeSync speed (or w/e) or you will immediately start juddering very badly. You will notice this immediately as basically massive stutter once you drop below your sync threshold. edit: PUBG does not run very well on AMD cards, the optimizations are quite a bit behind NVIDIA Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Sep 4, 2017 |
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Speaking of 580s, I actually found one. In the wild. At the Fry's in Fremont, CA. (I had forgotten to grab a copy of Windows 10 for the computer for the munchkins. Also, air conditioning.)  $400 bucks for a goddamn 1060-equivalent. 
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Sep 4, 2017 11:00
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Thanks for the feedback guys, I'll keep an eye out for a 580.
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Sep 4, 2017 11:36
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you can definitely find them in retail stores now. The price gouging hasnt subsided though. Bestbuy has a normal 25% mark up on most GPUs even without mining so beware
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Subjunctive posted:Yeah, I was talking with some NVIDIA rep today about displays and said that I wanted the LG 38" with Gsync instead, except 100Hz, and didn't they have enough leverage to make that happen?
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Fauxtool posted:you can definitely find them in retail stores now. The price gouging hasnt subsided though. Bestbuy has a normal 25% mark up on most GPUs even without mining so beware Office Depot had them for a reasonable price this week. They're around. Give it another month or two and stock will be stable at MSRP and dropping a bit below on sale. It's not a hard pop yet (although it sounds there are some hilarious financial shenanigans going on, see: the crypto thread) but I doubt all that many rigs were getting built the last month or two at $2 per card per day for a $400 GPU.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Speaking of 580s, I actually found one. In the wild. At the Fry's in Fremont, CA. At 1080P, sure probably. At 4k resolution the AMD has about 2x the frame rate, so 40ish fps. I got up to 50fps, ultra, in Doom Vulkan with a 480. The 1060 did around 20-25fps
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redeyes posted:At 1080P, sure probably. At 4k resolution the AMD has about 2x the frame rate, so 40ish fps. I got up to 50fps, ultra, in Doom Vulkan with a 480. The 1060 did around 20-25fps Some people play games other than doom though.
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The 1060 6gb gets high 30s/low 40s at 4k and I can't find any benchmarks that show the 480 above like 45-50 so I have no idea what that guy is taking about.
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4K is only playable at 780 Ti/970/1060 level of performance in very optimized titles like Source games (TF2, Titanfall 1/2) or e-sports titles like CS:GO or Overwatch (or some other console ports). I've done it, there's a surprising amount of titles that are playable (40fps or more) at medium, but you're definitely going to be dropping to 1440p or even 1080p in some titles.
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Is an RX 560 or a GTX 1050ti a noticeable upgrade from an HD 6850? And how much would either of those cost if the market wasn't hosed right now?
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SourKraut posted:The only drawback to 1080p Gsync is that I don't believe there are any IPS displays available for it. G-sync and IPS don't start until 1440p. I know I'm going to be in the minority with this opinion, but as someone who went from a CRT to the first commercially available high refresh flat panel (Samsung 2233RZ) and now on an XB271HU IPS, having a good quality high refresh monitor is more important than having Gsync. The whole spiel about how you won't notice frame drops because of the way the sync is done doesn't really hold water with me, the framerate is still the number one target. Maybe the trick is to not expose yourself to gaming at high framerates 
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VostokProgram posted:Is an RX 560 or a GTX 1050ti a noticeable upgrade from an HD 6850? And how much would either of those cost if the market wasn't hosed right now? Yes they're about 2x-2.5x the performance of the HD 6850. I'm unsure of the price difference since I haven't been following that.
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..btt posted:Some people play games other than doom though. I think its mostly 256bit GDDR5 vs 192bit on the 1060. I'm just saying there is a small difference at 4k. With current AMD prices who the hell would get one.
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redeyes posted:I think its mostly 256bit GDDR5 vs 192bit on the 1060. I'm just saying there is a small difference at 4k. With current AMD prices who the hell would get one. There's a huge difference at 4k. Doom is just an an extremely forgiving outlier that's also very friendly to AMD cards.
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I'm interested in switching from a 1070 to a 1080ti. Is there anything coming soonish that could lead to a price drop that I should be waiting for
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Thelonius Van Funk posted:I'm interested in switching from a 1070 to a 1080ti. Is there anything coming soonish that could lead to a price drop that I should be waiting for Nope!
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Thelonius Van Funk posted:I'm interested in switching from a 1070 to a 1080ti. Is there anything coming soonish that could lead to a price drop that I should be waiting for No, if the great crypto crash ever comes you'll lose more on resale on the 1070 than 1080Tis would come down in price. You should probably just do it now.
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Not even WCCFTech has ventured a guess yet as to when we'll see consumer Volta. That tells me we're still 9-12 months away. If anything: http://wccftech.com/nvidia-graphics-cards-see-price-increases-starting-month-due-memory-shortage/
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Not even WCCFTech has ventured a guess yet as to when we'll see consumer Volta. That tells me we're still 9-12 months away. Well poo poo, might be time to sell the 1070 and cash in the buttcoins now for a 1080ti; I'll take six to 12 months of top of the line. What's the wattage under load for a 1080ti, 250w?
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tehinternet posted:Well poo poo, might be time to sell the 1070 and cash in the buttcoins now for a 1080ti; I'll take six to 12 months of top of the line. What's the wattage under load for a 1080ti, 250w? Yeah, around 250W, maybe a tad higher in some situations, like 270W.
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That's a good estimate, if your power supply is right on the edge an overclocked one can get to over 300 watts, but in general at stock they should limit themselves to 250 watts. In general Nvidia cards have been very good about obeying power limits.
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Volta releases tomorrow the sacrificial on the fence 1080ti purchase has been made
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1gnoirents posted:Volta releases tomorrow the sacrificial on the fence 1080ti purchase has been made Thank you for your sacrifice, we will all enjoy our $250 voltas that are twice as fast as the 1080 Ti. 
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Yeah, around 250W, maybe a tad higher in some situations, like 270W. Sweet. I never realized that my old 770 was like 220w, so a 1080ti shouldn't be a problem at all, I've got plenty of room.
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tehinternet posted:Well poo poo, might be time to sell the 1070 and cash in the buttcoins now for a 1080ti; I'll take six to 12 months of top of the line. What's the wattage under load for a 1080ti, 250w? Looking at 250-300W. My system with a 6700k @ 1.39V uses about 400W measured from the wall.
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..btt posted:Some people play games other than doom though. and that game is ashes. AMD is the best lalala i cant hear you
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Thank you for your sacrifice, we will all enjoy our $250 voltas that are twice as fast as the 1080 Ti. haha you mean more like maybe 10% over a OC'ed 1080ti its Intel v AMD all over again when AMD was doubling down on bulldozer 
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Scarecow posted:haha you mean more like maybe 10% over a OC'ed 1080ti I was being really sarcastic, I expect it to be ~$400 for a card that is +-10% of a 1080Ti and a year away. 
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Don't write it off totally yet. NVIDIA has been competing with themselves for a couple generations now, people have been hanging their heads over the terrible cards that NVIDIA will probably release and we've gotten Maxwell and Pascal out of the deal. At good prices, even - pre-crypto-bubble the 1080 was starting to nudge under $400. (The other half of this is that even if AMD is not competitive, NVIDIA still needs to keep pushing forward because Intel and Google would like to eat some of their lunch too. Even NVIDIA's "gaming-oriented" chips are very big in the compute sector (the GM200 gaming chip launched the whole "deep learning" revolution in the first place), and failing to keep high-performing parts like GP102 and GM200 coming down the pipe is an opening for their competitors. NVIDIA can push a launch back a couple months, sure, but they can't turn this into Intel-style rent-seeking where it's 3% faster per year or whatever. They need to keep pushing performance forward, in the big-picture sense.) Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Sep 5, 2017 |
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And honestly, if the market gets big enough, I could see defense contractors getting into the business. nVidia's a huge company now, but Lockheed-Martin is a company that can actually *afford* to get involved in new industries from scratch if they feel the risk is merited. Or they'll just BUY nVidia outright.
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Can't wait for Pentagon Wars 3: Drone Boogaloo.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Before the mining boom, a few brands (like PNY and ZOTAC) had 6GB SKUs that went below $200 after rebates and/or promo codes. I also distinctly remember 8GB 480s hitting $160-180. This is tough. There's a game that I really want better GPU performance for (Absolver) but other than that, I have no real obligation to buy a GPU right now. So basically I would be paying about 50-70 euros extra just to play one game with a more stable performance. Maybe I'll flip a coin on it. Or pick up a slightly better used GPU and buy a big boy GPU when the prices come down. I'm going to assume it's going to be like at least like half a year before the prices show any signs of dropping, even if mining were to die down in the next 3 months or so.
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What was that alleged number that people were saying that Vega 64 could do in terms of cryptocurrency? 48, right? http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-vega-64-pushed-43-5mhs-130w-mining-ethereum-eclipsing-polaris-efficiency-factor-2x/ WCCFT article, salt now, so you're not gonna be salty later.
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If anything friends and GPU buying have taught me with Nvidia assuming you have the cash to spend is to just buy the Ti card of every generation. The Ti card will end up being equivalent to the mid range card of the new generation sort of how the 980ti now nets you basically the same performance of a 1070.
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Avalanche posted:sort of how the 980ti now nets you basically the same performance of a 1070. Errrr what
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VostokProgram posted:Is an RX 560 or a GTX 1050ti a noticeable upgrade from an HD 6850? And how much would either of those cost if the market wasn't hosed right now? Not sure if you got a good answer yet, but the 560 (small Polaris) is straight up bad. Now a direct comparison for those other ones is hard to find due to the age difference, but a 1050ti is roughly equivalent to a 960/380/285/7950. So you can expect to double your frames in plain older games, more if they use more recent DX11 tricks. Also much more Vram obviously. A 1050ti should be uh 140€? I'm not sure in that segment. Those things are tiny, too and sip power. They are not used by miners so prices are inflated by maybe 10 bucks, nothing to worry about. Avoid 3GB 1060's, the next step up is the real 6GB 1060 for 250..300€ sauer kraut fucked around with this message at 10:37 on Sep 5, 2017 |
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RX 560 is slightly cheaper, slightly slower. How is it "straight up bad"?
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It's a 99$ 2GB super lowend card that's already flirting with 30fps at low/mdeium settings in some games, for whatever reason. https://www.techspot.com/review/1430-radeon-rx-560-vs-geforce-gtx-1050/ The average doesn't look too bad, but you can step on some real bad landmines like World of Tanks, Prey, Witcher 3, Mafia 3, Dishonored 2, the Ubisoft stuff.. I didn't realize that AMD added some more shaders when doing the 460-560 refresh, that makes it slightly less bad guess? sauer kraut fucked around with this message at 11:08 on Sep 5, 2017 |
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Scarecow posted:Errrr what What's the confusion? Every benchmark I've seen agrees with that statement...
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