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Uglycat posted:While all the active posters are telling each-other not to post, I'd like to take the time to yell at the lurkers. I'll have you know I post plenty, mostly to interject on points of regional interest or to nerd out about ultimately pointless questions of Congressional procedure. 
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Hellblazer187 posted:More embarrassing for the US, you mean? If we're still a superpower, then why can't we have UHC and real worker protections? Why is our infrastructure more like the infrastructure in Latin America than like the infrastructure in Europe and Japan? Probably because "superpower" has very little to do with the domestic conditions of the state.
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Hellblazer187 posted:More embarrassing for the US, you mean? If we're still a superpower, then why can't we have UHC and real worker protections? Why is our infrastructure more like the infrastructure in Latin America than like the infrastructure in Europe and Japan? Muh tax dollars!
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Hellblazer187 posted:More embarrassing for the US, you mean? If we're still a superpower, then why can't we have UHC and real worker protections? Why is our infrastructure more like the infrastructure in Latin America than like the infrastructure in Europe and Japan? Yes, more embarrassing for Americans. We can have UHC and real worker protections and infrastructure maintenance/improvements. We can absolutely afford those things... we just don't because one of our political parties core principles is "gently caress poors, don't spend tax money on anything."
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Uglycat posted:While all the active posters are telling each-other not to post, I'd like to take the time to yell at the lurkers. Rude as hell.
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Uglycat posted:While all the active posters are telling each-other not to post, I'd like to take the time to yell at the lurkers. Go to hell, I'll post when I'm ready!
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Uglycat posted:While all the active posters are telling each-other not to post, I'd like to take the time to yell at the lurkers. Trump is a bad president and DeVos might actually be the appointment that does the most irreparable damage to your country. Sessions is a close second.
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Sep 4, 2017 21:06
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William Contraalto posted:Treating FDR as a leftist is historically ignorant hagiography that pushes an anti-democratic understanding of politics. compared to where we're at right now, he's pretty left. he's certainly not leftist on an absolute spectrum (though then again, the left-right spectrum is p dumb anyway), but i've never advocated for much beyond the style of programs fdr brought forth (well, on the economic side, we also have to do a lot on the racial side of things), but i'm frequently called an unsatisfiable leftist, so might as well embrace it 
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freckle posted:Rude as hell. Quorum posted:I'll have you know I post plenty, mostly to interject on points of regional interest or to nerd out about ultimately pointless questions of Congressional procedure. LtStorm posted:Go to hell, I'll post when I'm ready! Uglycat posted:Post. A resounding success for all involved!
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Uglycat posted:While all the active posters are telling each-other not to post, I'd like to take the time to yell at the lurkers. I will never post.
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Chilichimp posted:Yes, more embarrassing for Americans. Right, yes, I'm 100% in agreement then.
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Furnaceface posted:Trump is a bad president and DeVos might actually be the appointment that does the most irreparable damage to your country. Sessions is a close second. you're forgetting Scott Pruitt literally ruining the country by poisoning potentially millions of people and Steven Mnuchin killing the few remaining middle class people with retirements' 401k's leading to massive poverty and homelessness of senior citizens in 20-30 years. Not to mention Ben Carson dismantling HUD leading to the further raping of poor and minority communities. Yeah. Trump is an idiot but all of his cabinet members are much more dangerous.
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Condiv posted:i'm not disagreeing that we need more focus on those institutions, but pretending a left-leaning president wouldn't help even without those is silly. a left-leaning president could actually help build those institutions! I'm saying we won't get a leftist president at all until we actually change our culture and build the institutions to do it. Would you say you are in favor of democracies that have limited and regulated markets?
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Office Pig posted:Ha ha, this country sucks. Lets place bets on a cottage industry of carpetbagging lawyers springing up around Houston similar to this NYT article or like medical office "debt collection."
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Hollismason posted:Ah yes the "hills" of New York State That's a hill. hth
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Hellblazer187 posted:Well, thanks for answering. I'll have to do some research into each of these to how important I find each and how responsible I find her for each of them. But it's an answer, at least. She's doing A-OK as a Senator right now though. She was pretty cool on housing litigation as an AG, too. That's the area where she stood out as not generically terrible in the ways state AGs are generically terrible.
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Bottom Liner posted:you're forgetting Scott Pruitt literally ruining the country by poisoning potentially millions of people and Steven Mnuchin killing the few remaining middle class people with retirements' 401k's leading to massive poverty and homelessness of senior citizens in 20-30 years. I also forgot Rick Perry not knowing how to handle nuclear waste potentially killing millions slowly.
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If you're interested, current IR theory is that we're currently in a unipolar world, due to the collapse of the Soviet Union and no other country being able to compete with the US. This isn't necessarily good, however, because you can't expect one power to be able to cover the entire world and prevent issues, so you get flare-ups like ISIS or North Korea or the sino-indian border conflicts we're seeing again.
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Trabisnikof posted:I'm saying we won't get a leftist president at all until we actually change our culture and build the institutions to do it. and i'm saying we nearly did, and i think we can regardless in 2020 quote:Would you say you are in favor of democracies that have limited and regulated markets? depends on how you define regulated markets. i think free trade is a kind of unregulated market and that we need to have trade deals that protect workers' rights worldwide instead of letting corps exploit third world workers for the benefit of no-one but the rich. poo poo like the sweatshops in haiti need to end. poo poo like nafta letting us prey on mexico economically needs to end too Condiv fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Sep 4, 2017 |
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Someone on twitter made a good point about ending the DACA program. Say goodbye to all that debt. I wonder how much is actually out there.
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Condiv posted:she thought it was a good idea to throw parents in jail for their children's truancy, she refused to prosecute the criminal actions of a bank that one of trump's goblins owned (and he donated to her campaign, and only hers of all dems afterwards), and her department argued against releasing inmates ordered released because california needed the cheap labor The truancy complaint falls apart the second you look at it, it was aimed entirely at chronic truants under like 8th grade (basically when parents keep kids out of school to babysit, help with work, etc, not lovely teenagers who would rather go to the beach). It also wasn't "throw in jail" as much as it was "accept this help we are providing from social workers/language skills/life coaching/etc to make sure your kids make it to school or face additional consequences."
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Lote posted:Someone on twitter made a good point about ending the DACA program. Say goodbye to all that debt. I wonder how much is actually out there. debt collectors will go after your relatives if you've died i mean sure, de jure that debt is gone but it doesn't mean you won't be hounded for it still. and that people who don't know their rights won't fall for the predatory debt collectors who will say whatever to try to get money out of you
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drat Your Eyes! posted:The truancy complaint falls apart the second you look at it, it was aimed entirely at chronic truants under like 8th grade (basically when parents keep kids out of school to babysit, help with work, etc, not lovely teenagers who would rather go to the beach). It also wasn't "throw in jail" as much as it was "accept this help from social workers/language skills/life coaching/etc to make sure your kids make it to school or face additional consequences. thowing parents in jail doesn't help truancy period. the kind of parents who will "keep kids out of school to babysit, help with work, etc" are unlikely to have the resources to help their kids get to school after being thrown in jail. hell, after they get back out of jail it may make things even harder on the family since the parents probably lost their jobs
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It's been pretty funny to watch people rationalize their hatred of NAFTA without coming to grips about what "ending NAFTA" would actually mean.
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sorry to come back to north korea for a second, but this is a really good if incredibly bleak article: https://theintercept.com/2017/09/04/undercover-in-north-korea-all-paths-lead-to-catastrophe/ i'm not gonna copy paste it here cause it isn't that long and it's really all important, so there's no point picking out certain parts.
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Condiv posted:debt collectors will go after your relatives if you've died Can't go after relatives if they get deported too. Good luck going after debt in a foreign country.
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Lote posted:Someone on twitter made a good point about ending the DACA program. Say goodbye to all that debt. I wonder how much is actually out there. That's why the finance industry is ashen faced, yes. It also rips 800k motivated, generally educated or soon to be educated workers who need to maintain an ongoing work history (so not quite as good as non DACA minions but pretty good) out of the general business economy with particular concentration in southern ish urban centers.
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Gonna be great when half the people we get at each others' throats over either don't actually run or aren't especially notable in the race.
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I have to say it's perfect that the guy who spends so much time whining about how the Dems are bad literally emigrated the country last year. Dude you literally ran off from trying to reform the country, stop thumping your chest about how much more pure you are than the hated centrists.
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shrike82 posted:I have to say it's perfect that the guy who spends so much time whining about how the Dems are bad literally emigrated the country last year. uh, i didn't emigrate last year. try like 4 years ago now as if you care about anything though since you voted trump to troll people
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Since this thread likes to post those god awful twitter threads, here is a tool I found to make them more readable. https://tttthreads.com/ (Unfortunately due to Twitter's API policy, it only works for relatively recent threads. So no "game theory". That was the first thing I tried.) AceOfFlames fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Sep 4, 2017 |
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Sep 4, 2017 21:32
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And tell us more about how France is good to you as a white American while continuing to whine about how bad Hillary is to African Americans.
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Uglycat posted:While all the active posters are telling each-other not to post, I'd like to take the time to yell at the lurkers. Make me! ... gently caress.
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New York and Washington state have both indicated they'd sue over DACA ending, but not sure on their exact legal argument. Tribe mentions a potential due process violation regarding DACA https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/904533283891027968 I'm not sure how far I trust the Roberts court on that one.
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shrike82 posted:I have to say it's perfect that the guy who spends so much time whining about how the Dems are bad literally emigrated the country last year. You don't need to be there to help. I'm not defending Condiv specifically, we have different views of the Democratic party. But I also live abroad, and I vote, and I donate. It's certainly possible abroad.
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Hellblazer187 posted:You don't need to be there to help. I'm not defending Condiv specifically, we have different views of the Democratic party. But I also live abroad, and I vote, and I donate. It's certainly possible abroad. he's just trolling as usual. this is a guy who said he's looking forward to voting trump in 2020, and he's proud of voting trump in 2016
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Shrike is an actual ultraracist oval office.
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Oddly this (edit:DACA) is one area where I probably wish we had Scalia over Gorsuch because he was routinely pretty okay on due process. Gorsuch is probably a lost cause because it's an executive action, Alito is definitely a lost cause because he hates foreigners and Latinxs, and I'm not optimistic about Thomas on this one outside of my fantasy scenario of him arguing that immigration policy is solely a concern for the individual states.  Don't remember enough about Kennedy's immigration etc record and it's always risky betting on Roberts saving us by focusing on his legacy.
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yeah i've had my issues with condiv (like, a lot) but shrike of all people doesn't get to call out anyone. gently caress that guy. anyway, here's republicans getting roasted at town halls. enjoy. https://twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/904757120884764672
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Lol condiv What is it with people who are steeped in conflict with the us political / cultural system expatriating to France?
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