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Sickening: Jul 16, 2007; Black summer was the best summer.

I can't wait for this weeks spoilers where we get powerhouses like Duress back.

And 10 bucks for a mythic that could very well be an extremely popular 4 of seems surprising after the lightning strike spoiler.

http://shop.tcgplayer.com/magic/amonkhet/hazoret-the-fervent#product-price-table

Sickening fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Sep 5, 2017

# ? Sep 5, 2017 14:26

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# ? Jun 1, 2024 11:48

Tainen: Jan 23, 2004

TheMaestroso posted:

In addition to what others have said, I would suggest watching videos of other people drafting to get an idea of where the process takes you from beginning to end. It can be difficult to steer yourself in the right direction, because so much of it is out of your hands. People like Luis Scott-Vargas, Marshall Sutcliffe, and Kenji Egashira all put out solid draft content, and they all draft differently despite being very good limited players and making smart decisions. They also tend to talk about why they make certain decisions, so you get good context.

For draft videos I would recommend any of the TDSL drafts. Here is the most recent one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh4CQ7eRVLs

# ? Sep 5, 2017 14:36

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

sit on my Facebook posted:

mcmagic is right y'all mono red is gonna be the deck to beat

on a semi related note has anyone else noticed that Kari Zev is a pirate? could be something

The pirate payoffs aren't good enough. The card has to be powerful enough on it's own like Captain Lannery or Kari Zev.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 14:38

Tainen: Jan 23, 2004

If only Ragavan had been a pirate monkey...

# ? Sep 5, 2017 14:43

Sarmhan: Nov 1, 2011

Wait are we already saying something doesn't have good enough payoffs? 85 cards into the set?

# ? Sep 5, 2017 14:47

Fajita Queen: Jun 21, 2012

There have been a grand total of two cards spoiled so far that care about other pirates. We have no idea how good or bad pirate tribal is gonna be.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 14:49

Procrastinator: Aug 16, 2009; what?

Ein Sexmonster posted:

Wait are we already saying something doesn't have good enough payoffs? 85 cards into the set?

It's mcmagic, are you surprised?

Definitely heard a lot of people decrying the power level of this set, especially compared to Kaladesh. I like the mid-low power level cards w/ interesting designs more, myself. :unsmith:

# ? Sep 5, 2017 14:52

Tainen: Jan 23, 2004

"whenever creatures under your control explore put +1/+1 counter on this creature and gain 3 life. "

# ? Sep 5, 2017 14:54

TheKingofSprings: Oct 9, 2012

Procrastinator posted:

It's mcmagic, are you surprised?

Definitely heard a lot of people decrying the power level of this set, especially compared to Kaladesh. I like the mid-low power level cards w/ interesting designs more, myself.

Give me cards with interesting designs I can use outside limited or give me death

# ? Sep 5, 2017 14:55

Sarmhan: Nov 1, 2011

Tainen posted:

"whenever creatures under your control explore put +1/+1 counter on this creature and gain 3 life. "

That is a very strong uncommon. For constructed it'll depend on whether there are good explore creatures. But it's a very strong payoff for them.

Sarmhan fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Sep 5, 2017

# ? Sep 5, 2017 14:57

Sickening: Jul 16, 2007; Black summer was the best summer.

Procrastinator posted:

It's mcmagic, are you surprised?

Definitely heard a lot of people decrying the power level of this set, especially compared to Kaladesh. I like the mid-low power level cards w/ interesting designs more, myself.

The issue is these types of sets do poorly in the long term for sales.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 15:00

Procrastinator: Aug 16, 2009; what?

Sickening posted:

The issue is these types of sets do poorly in the long term for sales.

What analogues are you thinking of? We know that a bad limited format doesn't really affect sales if there's something for the casuals (Avacyn Restored, lol) (and this set has dinosaurs!), but I'm struggling to think of an "opposite" set that didn't have other problems (Time Spiral's high complexity level, for example).

# ? Sep 5, 2017 15:03

Lone Goat: Apr 16, 2003; When life gives you lemons, suplex those lemons.

Tainen posted:

For draft videos I would recommend any of the TDSL drafts. Here is the most recent one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh4CQ7eRVLs

Team Draft is such a hosed up format where you're actively trying to sabotage the players around you so I would ABSOLUTELY NOT recommend it as a way to get good at draft.

Ben Stark doesn't do it that many draft videos but he's the best at explaining why he is making each pick.
https://www.channelfireball.com/author/ben-stark/

# ? Sep 5, 2017 15:04

Entropic: Feb 21, 2007; patriarchy sucks

PJOmega posted:

Bolas is strong, but committing your deck all in on a P1P1 three color, 7 casting cost card is asking for problems. Actually, going all in on a P1P1 is often a big mistake. I've drafted Glyph Keeper P1P1 then ended up G/W because they were significantly stronger picks than the blue I was getting passed.

Another common mistake you'll see more often at a store than online is someone opening an out of color bomb in pack 2 and drafting it and trying to force their deck into tricolor (or 4 color even) off of it. By the end of pack 1 you should have one or both of your colors set. A splashable bomb is a fine pick P2P1, but not something that costs double off color. Especially since you've been signalling to your left that that color is open, so you're less likely to receive anything else in your new color.

Just because you take a bomb P1P1 doesn't mean you're committed to playing it. I would probably always take Bolas P1P1, but if I get pushed into RW or something I might not play him.

But the fixing in this set is good enough that you can throw him in the green ramp/multicolour deck and be pretty happy about it.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 15:04

Spiderdrake: May 12, 2001

Ein Sexmonster posted:

Wait are we already saying something doesn't have good enough payoffs? 85 cards into the set?

We know most of the mythics and most of the rares, yes, I think we can make some pretty good guesses.

Pirates get two sets, anyway, and possibly more support in Dominaria.

Procrastinator posted:

What analogues are you thinking of?

Dragon's Maze is probably the go to example for shitter set.

Ixalan is no DGM though.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 15:07

Procrastinator: Aug 16, 2009; what?

Entropic posted:

Just because you take a bomb P1P1 doesn't mean you're committed to playing it. I would probably always take Bolas P1P1, but if I get pushed into RW or something I might not play him.

But the fixing in this set is good enough that you can throw him in the green ramp/multicolour deck and be pretty happy about it.

Knowing that there is a 4/5-colour green deck to draft Bolas into is another thing that is a place for improvement (format knowledge).

@CKM it sounds like you're at about a level where listening to the Limited Resources podcast might help you out, if Marshall Sutcliffe and LSV are people you'll willingly listen to. Might be a good idea to go back and start from LSV's first episode as co-host if you're interested. Things tend to build up with a single co-host.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 15:13

80s James Hetfield: Jan 20, 2004; METAL UP YOUR ASS

Ein Sexmonster posted:

Wait are we already saying something doesn't have good enough payoffs? 85 cards into the set?

Because that's how the thread works, without fail, 100% of the time.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 15:14

Orange Fluffy Sheep: Jul 26, 2008; Bad EXP received

Procrastinator posted:

Definitely heard a lot of people decrying the power level of this set

Like they have with every set?

# ? Sep 5, 2017 15:18

Tainen: Jan 23, 2004

# ? Sep 5, 2017 15:36

Fajita Queen: Jun 21, 2012

It's a goddamn MCV... Boat.

Fajita Queen fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Sep 5, 2017

# ? Sep 5, 2017 15:38

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Tainen posted:

The deck that wants that land is gonna have a really hard time with crew 4...

# ? Sep 5, 2017 15:40

Death Bot: Mar 4, 2007; Binary killing machines, turning 1 into 0 since 0011000100111001 0011011100110110

Entropic posted:

Just because you take a bomb P1P1 doesn't mean you're committed to playing it. I would probably always take Bolas P1P1, but if I get pushed into RW or something I might not play him.

But the fixing in this set is good enough that you can throw him in the green ramp/multicolour deck and be pretty happy about it.

I was given the advice at some point to just start with picking the best card in every pack and you will figure out pretty quickly what colors are open. Obviously there's deeper strategy available, but once your 2-5 picks are the same color that should be a pretty big hint

# ? Sep 5, 2017 15:41

Entropic: Feb 21, 2007; patriarchy sucks

Tainen posted:

I kind of wish the transform was optional. The land side seems like something you don't actually want until the late game when you have mana to burn. I guess at least you can keep it back as a giant wall until then if you need to.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 15:41

sit on my Facebook: Jun 20, 2007; ASS GAS OR GRASS
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Tainen posted:

Everything about this is cool af

# ? Sep 5, 2017 15:42

AnEdgelord: Dec 12, 2016

Tainen posted:

I'm trying to think of what kind of deck wants this and I keep coming back to ramp, the extra land drop you functionally get on the transform is nice and the higher cost utility options can be more easily utilized by such a deck. Maybe a one or two of in any standard ramp deck we see? Of course the existence of that deck means that there are big creatures that are worth ramping into. Dinos have some promise there but we're gonna have to wait until the rubber meets the road on this set.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 15:43

80s James Hetfield: Jan 20, 2004; METAL UP YOUR ASS

sit on my Facebook posted:

Everything about this is cool af

It screams EDH

# ? Sep 5, 2017 15:45

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

If you're trying to ramp into Carnage Tyrant, that is a very bad strategy. That is what I have seen online just messing around.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 15:45

Serperoth: Feb 21, 2013

Tainen posted:

I love this even though I know it's less good than I want it to be.

Can Draw-Go be a thing yet?

# ? Sep 5, 2017 15:47

Orange Fluffy Sheep: Jul 26, 2008; Bad EXP received

mcmagic posted:

The deck that wants that land is gonna have a really hard time with crew 4...

Locust God has 4 power exactly. :smug:

But that would require Locust God to work in the first place. :shepface:

# ? Sep 5, 2017 15:48

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

Locust God has 4 power exactly.

But that would require Locust God to work in the first place.

Take that to EDH where it belongs.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 15:52

Sickening: Jul 16, 2007; Black summer was the best summer.

mcmagic posted:

Take that to EDH where it belongs.

We all float down here.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 16:00

Tainen: Jan 23, 2004

# ? Sep 5, 2017 16:01

Tainen: Jan 23, 2004

# ? Sep 5, 2017 16:05

Sickening: Jul 16, 2007; Black summer was the best summer.

Tainen posted:

Seems like an uncommon got bumped last minute.

# ? Sep 5, 2017 16:07

Sarmhan: Nov 1, 2011

Sickening posted:

Seems like an uncommon got bumped last minute.

Uh this would never make it at uncommon. Remember vampires have a heavy token theme in this set. It also starts working the turn you cast it

# ? Sep 5, 2017 16:10

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!