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Gunjin posted:gently caress Jaroslav Halak. gently caress the lovely return we got for Halak 
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And gently caress Bergevin for trading Eller for two picks which turned out to be Josh Brook and Joni Ikonen. I mean Ikonen could pan out and be a solid depth winger/centre but that's a stretch. Brook? Uhhhhhhh maybe he'll play well in Brampton?
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Heliogabalos posted:Skille was weirdly good skating up ice along the boards. a cheap one year deal it's good. It's better if Benning can actually flip him for futures rather than a) let him walk for nothing b) re-sign him for stupid $$$
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Duckman2008 posted:Always will be controversial, but i don't think you can peg the Carter / Richards trade as a bad trade.
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The Rangers 1997 playoff run broke the team for a long time. Three years after an old Rangers team won the cup and two teams averaging two years younger than them hoisted the cup, the Rangers took an aging team pretty far. In the first two rounds, they lost the first game, then won four straight. They got crushed 4-1 by the Flyers in the conference finals, but won a single game on a Wayne Gretzky hat trick and a three-point game by Mark Messier. Their top six forwards were all 30+, as were four of their six defensemen. They had one full-time player under age 26. Look at how old this team is: https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/NYR/1997.html#all_skaters_playoffs They traded Luc Robitaille, who had years left in a Hall of Fame career, for aging power forward Kevin Stevens - only a year older, but a huge difference in style and productivity. They sent Mark "Messiah" Messier to do god's work and destroy the Vancouver Canucks, then traded draft picks for Pat LaFontaine, who would retire the next year. Two games into the season, they traded Karpotsev, their youngest defenseman, for Mathieu Schenider - great player, but also older. They shipped out Alex Kovalev to bring back Petr Nedved, who they had originally shipped off with Sergei Zubov for the older Robitaille and Ulf Samuelsson. Even Wayne Gretzky couldn't drag this mess to the playoffs. When he retired a season later, they blew up the team backwards by trading all their young players including dumping future point-per-game center Marc Savard to move up two spots in the draft, as well as 1997 playoffs contributor Niklas "only forward under 28" Sundstrom and Hextall-grade goaltender Dan Cloutier and next year's first round pick for the 4th overall, who busted even worse than #1 overall Patrik Stefan. The Canucks came out of those two picks in between with their saviors. They didn't make the playoffs again until 2006, but in the meantime they loaded the team with aging starts from all of their old playoff rivals, including Eric Lindros, Bobby Holik, Pavel Bure, John Maclean, and even re-acquiring Nedved from the Penguins after they beat them in '96. Was it the system, the series, or the inability to recognize that Wayne loving Gretzky dragged them to that last bit of success? Who knows?
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Gio posted:2011 ECQF, Philly v. Boston? caused them to trade richards and carter, signed bryz to a bajillion dollars, have been more or less irrelevant since. The Bryz deal was pretty much following SOP for the Flyers front office until Hextall took over. It's amazing how long it to the front office to realise that no, you can't just throw heaps of money at free agents and expect to make the conference finals every other year anymore. And as mentioned before, the Richards and Carter trades were good for Philly, even if they were done mostly to dump cap room for Bryz.
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Heliogabalos posted:Skille was weirdly good skating up ice along the boards. team real bad; who even cares anyways
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Sep 5, 2017 07:36
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Well, at least they're not pretending to be contenders this time around.
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Hand Knit posted:Which playoff series did actually break teams? The 2011 SCF seems like the obvious first choice, but what else? Maybe Leafs-Bruins 2013 but I don't know if the 2013 Leafs counted as not-broken to begin with. The 2013 Wings-Blackhawks series, in which the Wings went up 3-1 on the Hawks before losing in game 7. That series basically convinced the front office that the team didn't need a full rebuild and probably kept Holland in a job 5 years and counting longer than he should of been.
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I got to interview Jay Baruchel about Last Of The Enforcers He confirmed that the Russian brothers in Goon 'had Kostityn DNA' Also a super good dude
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clean ayers act posted:The 2013 Wings-Blackhawks series, in which the Wings went up 3-1 on the Hawks before losing in game 7. That series basically convinced the front office that the team didn't need a full rebuild and probably kept Holland in a job 5 years and counting longer than he should of been. Illich still being alive kept Holland in that job
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clean ayers act posted:The 2013 Wings-Blackhawks series, in which the Wings went up 3-1 on the Hawks before losing in game 7. That series basically convinced the front office that the team didn't need a full rebuild and probably kept Holland in a job 5 years and counting longer than he should of been. That series was loving amazing though. So many storylines!
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Charlie O'Connor kicked off his Athletic work and holy god does he dive deep now. His entire first article is on the Flyers' 5v5 struggles and comparing Low-To-High strategies (which we relied on _way_ too much) with Home Plate and Behind The Net ones. It's a great read.
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the talent deficit posted:team real bad; who even cares anyways Pretty much. I don't mind the Vanek signing at all. Worst comes to worst he goes on the waiver wire in a few months and Aquaman is out a couple million bucks. Best case scenario he has a good season and we flip him for a 3rd/4th round pick at the deadline. The only prospect that is affected by this in a meaningful way is Boeser, and I'd prefer he at least started the season in the AHL before making the jump full time. The vast majority of young scorers start their rookie year in the AHL, put up PPG numbers for 20-30 games then get a permanent call up. Not deviating from that method is the team's most prudent course of action right now after years of trying to be smarter than everyone else (and failing spectacularly). The rest of our youngsters are of the fairly meh variety and would benefit from a year or two developing chemistry in the lower pressure environment of the AHL. It's not like anything good is going to come out of this team at the NHL level this year, so no need to blast everyone into the suck furnace quite yet. Vanek, Gagner, Del Zotto and Nilsson are the definition of stop gap solutions. If one or two work out, great; if they don't, it's not an issue. I actually quite like what Benning and co. have done this year (with the huge caveat of if they're doing it for the above reasons and not because they suddenly think a bunch of 3rd tier free agents will make them competitive or something), they finally seem to have figured out what everyone else saw four years ago. This is a dreadful team and one without any redeeming qualities. This season is really just one that needs to be played out with all of the youngsters each getting a taste of NHL action as injuries mount and maybe one or two sticking by season's end. This is all about waiting for two or three years down the line once the rebuild is done, and technically they have to ice enough players to be allowed to participate in games until then.
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Hand Knit posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQGz9UoKOKo Where the gently caress was this MAF against the Capitals this year? Or where the gently caress was a decent Braden Holtby?
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Mind_Taker posted:Where the gently caress was this MAF against the Capitals this year? Or where the gently caress was a decent Braden Holtby? Fleury is inconsistent. But, that means sometimes he's really good. He's also been the primary reason we lost a few years, so there is that too.
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Benson Cunningham posted:Fleury is inconsistent. But, that means sometimes he's really good. Even in 2009 he was garbage against the Capitals. It was just that the rest of the team was so drat good that year that it didn't matter. Mind_Taker fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Sep 5, 2017 |
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I remember Kimmo Timmonen wasn't the biggest dude as NHL defensemen went, but that he was still pretty decently sized. Then I saw him next to Joel Embiid 
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DJExile posted:I remember Kimmo Timmonen wasn't the biggest dude as NHL defensemen went, but that he was still pretty decently sized. Then I saw him next to Joel Embiid I mean, any NHL player is going to look small next to someone that is 7'.
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Jedimastafez posted:I got to interview Jay Baruchel about Last Of The Enforcers Well he's a massive Habs homer so I'm frankly surprised he didn't have more Hab analogies in the original Goon
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I just learned that Kovalev was playing in the Swiss second league last year. I know, right
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https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/905056546807312386?s=09
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Ken Holland really is the worst.
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bewbies posted:I just learned that Kovalev was playing in the Swiss second league last year. He's the GM of a team in that league, he just played a few games as an injury replacement.
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loving  way to go detroit
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Somebody offer sheet this guy already!
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Didn't someone post that the bare minimum offer sheet that the Wings can't match within the cap would only cost a team a 2nd round pick? What was the cost, something like $4M? I forget. What teams have the space to throw $4M at AA, and have the need for him? E: Looked it up, it's $1.9 to $3.9M, compensation would be a second rounder. Rotten Cookies fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Sep 5, 2017 |
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Rotten Cookies posted:Didn't someone post that the bare minimum offer sheet that the Wings can't match within the cap would only cost a team a 2nd round pick? What was the cost, something like $4M? I forget. Nobody will do it because :offersheet:. There's a lot of teams that should do it, though. He'd fit well just about anywhere since he's a young dude with hands and skating.
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Rotten Cookies posted:Didn't someone post that the bare minimum offer sheet that the Wings can't match within the cap would only cost a team a 2nd round pick? What was the cost, something like $4M? I forget. Arizona, Nashville, Winnipeg would definitely like more good forwards and have the space to afford him.
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yellowcar posted:Arizona, Nashville, Winnipeg would definitely like more good forwards and have the space to afford him. Somewhere deep in the Nashville offices, David Poile smiles "finally...."
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Ken Holland bungling away the Red Wings' best player makes absolute sense. He's not old enough, not enough of a grinder
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i'm going to feel really bad about all this in a few years when it's revealed ken holland was stricken with an undiagnosed case of early-onset dementia or something, but for the time being i'm going to enjoy him destroying the detroit red wings
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Even if you don't want to offersheet him, throw out some garbage draft picks/prospects and pick him up - unless Holland is just being a dickhole and telling AA "it's either our offer or nothing."
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DJExile posted:and not from michigan People are very mad about Kid Rock opening up the new arena. However, it makes perfect sense considering: - his entire gimmick (to Detroiters) is that he is from Detroit and Michigan - it's not just one show, it's excessively six shows - he is old and washed up, if he ever was in the lake in the first place If Kid Rock were a hockey player, he would absolutely have a Ken Holland contract. He is the cultural epitome of BAD EXPENSIVE.
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Even if you don't want to offersheet him, throw out some garbage draft picks/prospects and pick him up - unless Holland is just being a dickhole and telling AA "it's either our offer or nothing." i'd be hard-pressed to believe it's anything but this, really
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The new arena ribbon cutting has been 25 minutes of high school marching band, followed by a slam poetry TED talk.
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AsInHowe posted:The new arena ribbon cutting has been 25 minutes of high school marching band, followed by a slam poetry TED talk. I loving hate this guy
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AsInHowe posted:followed by a slam poetry TED talk. what
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:unless Holland is just being a dickhole and telling AA "it's either our offer or nothing." This is the kind of GM message sending that ends up with Kyle Turris being traded to Ottawa for David Rundblad and a 2nd.
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