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Lynch gave the audience enough fabric to make 150% of a story blanket, but only weaved 75% of it for us. The audience is "the dreamer" and it's up to everyone individually to take those dangling threads, find our own meaning, and weave the rest in our heads. It's a reverse Inland Empire.
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Episode 17 was great 18 was ok FWWM sucks rear end
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Sep 4, 2017 17:00
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That ending was pretty good, the only way it would've been better is if it would've ended Scooby Doo style and Good Cooper rips off Bad Cooper's mask to reveal Donna as the real series villain.
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Sep 4, 2017 17:05
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The best thing to do is just pretend episode 18 isn't canon Or the whole season really
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Sep 4, 2017 17:07
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TwoDogs1Cup posted:The best thing to do is just pretend episode 18 isn't canon This is completely your prerogative, since you’re the dreamer.
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Sep 4, 2017 17:18
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Vince MechMahon posted:This is completely your prerogative, since you’re the dreamer. I don't know what's real anymore 
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Sep 4, 2017 17:19
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TwoDogs1Cup posted:I don't know what's real anymore Jiao Dai is Chinese for “the explanation.” We’re all the dreamer, looking for Judy. It’s up to you to figure Judy, and the last episode, and the series as a whole, out for yourself. Cause Lynch isn’t gonna talk about Judy. In fact, he’s gonna leave Judy out of this. Episode 18 is a world free of him being forced to introduce Judy, explanation, by studio interference, which hit the original show like an atom bomb when they forced him to create Bob to answer who killed Laura Palmer. The new show, and new reality in that episode, never had that question or answer, but a whole new set of mysteries that they are never going to spell out for us.
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Sep 4, 2017 17:56
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Zmej posted:like, Dougie vs. evil Cooper would have been so much better than whatever we get tomorrow.
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Sep 4, 2017 18:19
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The only part of the season I didn't like was Albert didn't get to be a condescending prick to a bunch of country bumpkins
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Sep 4, 2017 18:58
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They could have had Albert and Truman stare each other down for two or three minutes
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Sep 4, 2017 19:03
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Kuato posted:The only part of the season I didn't like was Albert didn't get to be a condescending prick to a bunch of country bumpkins Did you miss all the scenes in South Dakota?
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Sep 4, 2017 19:04
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Kuato posted:The only part of the season I didn't like was Albert didn't get to be a condescending prick to a bunch of country bumpkins Have you seen The Night Flier? It's mostly Miguel Ferrer going around being a condescending prick to a bunch of country bumpkins... while chasing a vampire in an airplane. It's a dumb movie but Miguel Ferrer is loving great. No one could play an rear end in a top hat like him. 
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Sep 4, 2017 19:05
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I want to see a spin-off just about Dougie.
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Sep 4, 2017 19:55
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Vastarien posted:Have you seen The Night Flier? It's mostly Miguel Ferrer going around being a condescending prick to a bunch of country bumpkins... while chasing a vampire in an airplane. It's a dumb movie but Miguel Ferrer is loving great. No one could play an rear end in a top hat like him. I love Miguel Ferrer's little speech about learning to kill again in Hot Shots Part Deux. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xVSYrZsnsQ RIP to a legend.
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Sep 4, 2017 19:57
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gently caress GENE KELLY YOU MOTHERFUCKER
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Sep 4, 2017 20:03
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Vince MechMahon posted:Did you miss all the scenes in South Dakota? I don't recall those being as good as season 1--it's been a few months since I've seen those. And I'll have to check that movie out.
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Sep 4, 2017 20:19
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Egbert Souse posted:I want to see a spin-off just about Dougie. I want a spinoff about the Mitchum Brothers, Candie, Sandie, and Mandie.
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Sep 4, 2017 20:42
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Egbert Souse posted:I want to see a spin-off just about Dougie. e: Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:I want a spinoff about the Mitchum Brothers, Candie, Sandie, and Mandie. This too.. There's always this weird-rear end tension whenever Candie's onscreen that was awesome.
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Sep 4, 2017 20:48
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:I want a spinoff about the Mitchum Brothers, Candie, Sandie, and Mandie. Dougie is promoted and ends up being lead investigator of insurance claims... basically to Lucky 7 Insurance as Dale Cooper was to the FBI. The Mitchum Brothers would be like Ben and Jerry from original Twin Peaks. They're trying to be good gangsters after their experience.
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Oldstench posted:Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
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i don't think it was all 'richard's' dream. why did laura hear sarah yelling her name and scream? what are the odds richard the dreaming fbi agent would fixate on a waitress (who he hasn't spoken to) who doesn't know for sure who her parents are? why does richard have any concern for twin peaks? that mother-possessing-sarah did something while coop was trying to save laura seems more likely. but where does that leave the show? kind of with a non-ending. also post world transition i found the tone change jarring and creepy. i might just be projecting but it seemed like people acted differently, more like some gritty depressing movie trying to ape a bit of cormac mccarthy. it made the final scene unexpectedly disturbing, after what fluffy nonsense most of ep 17 felt like.
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Neurosis posted:also post world transition i found the tone change jarring and creepy. i might just be projecting but it seemed like people acted differently, more like some gritty depressing movie trying to ape a bit of cormac mccarthy. it made the final scene unexpectedly disturbing, after what fluffy nonsense most of ep 17 felt like.
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So as far as I can tell, Coop is Severian uncaught in time. The Lodge inhabitants are all Cacogens, some assisting him and others working against him. Carrie Page is likely another incarnation of Tzadkiel and Judy is either Typhon or Baldanders.
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Atlas Hugged posted:So as far as I can tell, Coop is Severian uncaught in time. The Lodge inhabitants are all Cacogens, some assisting him and others working against him. Carrie Page is likely another incarnation of Tzadkiel and Judy is either Typhon or Baldanders. I think Carrie is actually Laura and it's not like that. Laura seems to be an ordinary person in most ways despite being spawned from a glowing orb made by a giant. Also Tzadkiel always seemed a little more benevolent than anything in Twin Peaks (though I have read reasonable arguments the Hierodules are evil insect things with nothing good mean for humanity)
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Sep 5, 2017 02:41
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who owned the building in the beginning and what were they doing? was coop or something else expected to emerge there?
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Neurosis posted:I think Carrie is actually Laura and it's not like that. Laura seems to be an ordinary person in most ways despite being spawned from a glowing orb made by a giant. Sure Carrie is Laura, but Tzadkiel takes many forms as she judges the value of Man. The question is did Cooper pass or not? Will he return to Twin Peaks a castrated and literally impotent agent, to pass on his knowledge to the next claimant or has he demonstrated that mankind is worthy to enter the stars and neighboring dimensions alongside the Lodge Inhabitants?
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Sep 5, 2017 03:02
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The owls are not what they seem. "Briggs good. Where head?"
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TwoDougs1Coop posted:I don't know what's real anymore
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Vince MechMahon posted:The audience is "the dreamer" and it's up to everyone individually to take those dangling threads, find our own meaning, and weave the rest in our heads During that black fade I was like, no, please be more, please give me more. But no. I've been left in the wilderness to find my own way. As it should be.
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Nah. Laura is the dreamer. Thinkabboudit. She manifests her knight in shining armor as an FBI agent in her dreams to take her away from her abusive father who she dissociates with a denim clad set designer turned actor as her form of denial. The whole series was in her head this whole time. All the surrealism, wacky hijinx, 4th wall breaking meta references were nothing more than some poor abused girl's dream. Or I could be wrong and David Bowie really is a tea kettle irl but what do I know? Commie Lasorda fucked around with this message at 08:37 on Sep 5, 2017 |
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Sep 5, 2017 08:30
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Got to admit, Agent Cooper reading the "Dear Richard" letter made me a-lol.
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Sep 5, 2017 09:22
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Most of the dangling plot threads don't bother me, but not knowing what was going on with Audrey did. Where was she and what was going on with her?
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Still, outside of the super-long sex scene where they mostly showed Laura Dern's spine, I thought the final episode was good. I especially liked the tone change after the sex scene. It was pretty dark and depressing, which was good. Cooper was acting strangely, and it was confusing and disorienting, which was also good.
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scott zoloft posted:who owned the building in the beginning and what were they doing? was coop or something else expected to emerge there? We did see a photo of Evil Coop in front of the glass box. I think the assumption is that he owned it and he was trying to find Mother/Judy
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I was kind of bummed by episode 8 because even though it's a masterpiece it also "explained too much." The fact that all that explanation is nothing in the grander scheme of the show's scope is so drat awesome.
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Sep 5, 2017 17:19
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Twin peaks is a comedy about a traumatic rape
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Sep 5, 2017 17:29
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Diane is evil and hosed Cooper into the wrong timeline or Blacklodge hellscape.
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The Dennis System posted:Still, outside of the super-long sex scene where they mostly showed Laura Dern's spine, I thought the final episode was good. I especially liked the tone change after the sex scene. It was pretty dark and depressing, which was good. Cooper was acting strangely, and it was confusing and disorienting, which was also good. cooper seemed to have elements of both good and evil cooper. his line delivery and generally fairly distant demeanour were like evil cooper, but he still seemed to care about others, and he seemed dismayed at seeing the corpse in new laura's house and distressingly confused at the end. i agree on the tone change. episode 17 seemed way too cheesy and fluffy a way to tie things up, then the jarring change in 18 re-established the feelings of horror.
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Neurosis posted:i agree on the tone change. episode 17 seemed way too cheesy and fluffy a way to tie things up, then the jarring change in 18 re-established the feelings of horror.
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