Serfer posted:

https://twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/905306324417867781
Cool cool, can't wait my dude.

Ora Tzo posted:

America burns and drowns at the same time?

coyo7e posted:

Well hipsters started eating the locusts so God had to limit the variety

BIG HEADLINE posted:

The thing no one (except the Russians) has been able to prove is that Trump being a bougie game show host was just a particularly loud cover for being a sex slave trafficker, and that trafficking sex slaves was where he *truly* gets his money.

Serious-face dog (it's a Groenendael) tax:

Office Pig posted:

Trump being complicit in Russian human trafficking ...

Telsa Cola posted:

Depending on the forest environment and what not the current forest fires can actually gently caress things up badly if the brush is built up and they burn too long/hot. Fire management is tricky.

Also if you are talking particularly about the fires that happen on the west coast, well most of the woodlands and poo poo there have been fire managed for at least hundreds of years so words like "need" and "nature" don't really apply that well since that environment is largely artificial.

Telsa Cola posted:

Also if you are talking particularly about the fires that happen on the west coast, well most of the woodlands and poo poo there have been fire managed for at least hundreds of years so words like "need" and "nature" don't really apply that well since that environment is largely artificial.

quote:

FLATOW: One question for you, Mary, while I have you there: How often, ideally, do forests need to burn? And Wally, you can jump in and talk about that. Is there an ideal number? Or...

LATA: Well, it varies with climate, and Wally, finish this thought. I can tell you what we're looking at right now. Based on talking to Paul and others, what we're writing in is a maintenance interval, and the intent of that is how long can a forest that starts out in a really good condition go and not start seeing really bad effects from fire when it does burn.

And a top number on that would be roughly 20. We would like to see, in our 4FRI area, a fire return interval of about 10 years. Historically, around here, we're looking at two to 21 depending on exactly where you're at in the cycle of weather.

FLATOW: Wally?

COVINGTON: Yeah, that's - Mary, you nailed it.

(SOUNDBITE OF LAUGHTER)

LATA: Thank God.

FLATOW: What - you talked about the fires and the canopy and burning very hot. What does a really hot-burning fire do to the ecosystem surrounding it?

COVINGTON: Yeah, so when we talk about fire-adapted forest, there are several kinds of fire-adapted forest. One is - we're all familiar, I think, from the fires of 1988 up in Yellowstone, those - the Lodgepole pine forest has experienced and co-evolved with crown fire.

So they have adaptations that allow them to respond, serotinous cones and others that we've talked about in the past, that allow them to thrive under crown fire conditions.

The frequent-fire forest, which Ponderosa pine and long leaf pine in the Southeast are kind of the characteristic forests of that type, have evolved under surface fires. And the surface fires sustain these forests. Many of the plants and animals besides the dominant trees require surface fires to thrive.

i am harry posted:

The articles and radio things I've read and heard say the exact opposite of that; we haven't managed burns across the hundreds of thousands of acres of forestry across the western states, suppression of the natural burns along the ground leads to growth of trees that allow the fire to spread higher and the fires are worse now because of that and the obvious warming of the planet and spread of infestations that lead to even more dead trees among the living.

quote:

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Good morning. I'm a resident of Flagstaff, and I've got a third of an acre here in town. And when I'm sitting on my porch looking at the beautiful trees on my property, I've got two questions. One is: How many trees were on my property, say, 300 years ago before Europeans got here? And two: What's the maximum number of trees I should have on my property for safety?

SUMMERFELT: Well, let me answer that, if I could.

FLATOW: Go ahead, Paul.

SUMMERFELT: The first, and the response to the first question, the number of trees that existed on the property 300 years ago was, in most cases, probably in all likelihood, much less than what's there now. In terms of your second question of how may should you have, that's totally dependent upon the site and your property.

The best answer for that is given in the field, standing with you on your property, and so I would encourage you - you can call us or visit with me after this, and we will come and look at your property with you and talk about those questions.

FLATOW: There you go.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Thanks.

COVINGTON: Just one additional point. When you look at - we've got studies throughout Western North America and in the Ponderosa pine type. And generally speaking, the densities before fire exclusion were somewhere between 50 and 40 or so trees per acre. Current densities are somewhere between 400 and several thousand trees per acre.

Mustached Demon posted:

Beetles and lack of rain do the serious damage. Then some jackass has a camp fire or lightning strikes the wrong place.

Xae posted:

Eventually won't we start seeing storms just poo poo all over the existing categorization system?

Is there a plan for defining Category 6 or Category 5++ storms?

pseudorandom name posted:

https://twitter.com/landcameras/status/905313082682916865
https://twitter.com/pnwmf/status/905314691164979201

logger posted:

It feels like the solar eclipse we had last month was the signal of the apocalypse. I am not superstitious, but a once in a century flood striking Texas, a once in 500 years hurricane going through Florida, and massive forest fires in the west that blankets almost half the country in smoke occurring right after the sun was eclipsed sounds like the plot from a movie.

I wasn't born when Mt. St. Helens erupted so correct me if I'm wrong, but this has to be the most smoke in the air since it blew up 37 years ago.

Party Plane Jones posted:

22https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/905096514850127872

Rigel posted:

dont even fink about it posted:

Shine black the sun
Shine blood the moon
Gehenna is coming soon

Rigel posted:

The 5am update is out. The track for Hurricane Irma now has it hitting the middle of Florida, but its still too early to have a good idea on the path. We'll pretty much know whats going to happen by Friday.

Mulva posted:

The worst case was that model where it stops above like Cuba and then drives straight up the shaft hitting 90% of all Florida before beginning to meaningfully lose strength.

Kilroy posted:

Eclipse, bloodmoon, two record-breaking hurricanes, massive floods, probably an earthquake before the year is out, nuclear war, Nazis killing people and half the country cheering them on while the other half tries to figure out if the people fighting the Nazis are worse.

I'm pretty sure God is preparing to kill us all and I'm certain we deserve it. Here's my photo:

Rigel posted:

This was in Des Moines, Iowa yesterday

jojoinnit posted:

Red sky at night, things are ai'ight. Red sky in the morning, Trump is tweetstorming.

Mulva posted:

The worst case was that model where it stops above like Cuba and then drives straight up the shaft hitting 90% of all Florida before beginning to meaningfully lose strength.

Mulva posted:

Cat 5 is just Cat hosed, it's the point at which no real human construction is meaningfully safe. There is nothing beyond that, once you threaten everything you threaten everything. There would be no meaning to Cat 6 or 7 or whatever, once you are hosed you are hosed. You'd need advances in construction and materials sciences and the vast rebuilding of our entire country to even have buildings that could easily stand up to Cat 5, and now we need to make clear that THIS is Cat 6, and even your fully enclosed archology will not save you. Otherwise nothing is meaningfully more threatening than Cat 5, so Cat 5 is the top.

Ora Tzo posted:

America burns and drowns at the same time?

empty whippet box posted:

I wish one of these people would just come out spewing some real rear end poo poo, not 'this is a sad day' but "man gently caress this mother fucker, I swear to god if you make me president I'll undo every single thing this slimy pervert did in the oval office, gently caress him, gently caress his family and gently caress his voters vote for ME!"

I'd loving vote for that

Push El Burrito posted:

Could someone in a really high up plane pee into that hurricane and have their pee land miles away?

Charliegrs posted:

So I've been seeing reports that the cave that North Korea uses for their nuke tests is at risk of collapsing. This would be pretty bad because it could release a lot of radiation into the air. Radiation that can travel over NK and potentially China.

Which would be ironic, since it's the Chinese that are basically NKs only lifeline at this point. They don't want to lift a finger to stop Kim's nuke program and now it looks like they might have to deal with it directly. Too bad it would just be the common folks that would get hurt by a radioactive cloud. But it's still something I doubt China wants to deal with.

Mulva posted:

Cat 5 is just Cat hosed, it's the point at which no real human construction is meaningfully safe. There is nothing beyond that, once you threaten everything you threaten everything. There would be no meaning to Cat 6 or 7 or whatever, once you are hosed you are hosed. You'd need advances in construction and materials sciences and the vast rebuilding of our entire country to even have buildings that could easily stand up to Cat 5, and now we need to make clear that THIS is Cat 6, and even your fully enclosed archology will not save you. Otherwise nothing is meaningfully more threatening than Cat 5, so Cat 5 is the top.

E2M2 posted:

Yeah it definitely sounds like they are gonna try to package DACA with the RAISE act

TyrantWD posted:

The west burns, the south drowns, and the north-east is...nice. Mid 70s all week - several degrees below the expected average at this time of the year.

try the new taco place posted:

There's a new storm brewing in the mid Atlantic...

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/905383515302264832