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giving it a real grill makes it look like a minivan. the interior looks nice although i'm getting a warning sign from the console orb (?).
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Agronox posted:New Leaf seems decent. That's the kind of range/$ I've been waiting for. Edit: What the gently caress, it's not even horribly ugly!
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Sep 6, 2017 03:39
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Give it an unlimited subscription lease like the Ioniq and I'm all in. I do about 30,000 miles/year, and a 150 mile range EV would work for all but 20 or so days of driving per year.
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Sep 6, 2017 03:50
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Here's a stupid question: Do you call under-the-hood of a FWD electric car the motor bay?
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Sep 6, 2017 04:10
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That sounds awful. We need a new name.
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Sep 6, 2017 04:13
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stevobob posted:Here's a stupid question: Do you call under-the-hood of a FWD electric car the motor bay? It's still an engine bay. quote:Definition of engine Steam engines get their energy from a boiler. electric engines get their energy from a battery. People still "roll the window down" with a button, save their data on a "hard drive", have "blue" jokes, even though those are technically outdated terms.
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Sep 6, 2017 04:15
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I like the new leaf and want to buy one I just hope I'm not a giant ding dong and get on the ground floor on a car that would be a ton better in two years Also every fiber of my being screams DON'T LEASE even though it might be smart to do so
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Sep 6, 2017 04:36
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That's not bad at all. I could see eventually replacing the CR-V with the combination of a Leaf for commuting and a Suburban to haul cargo.
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Sep 6, 2017 04:41
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IOwnCalculus posted:That's not bad at all. I could see eventually replacing the CR-V with the combination of a Leaf for commuting and a Suburban to haul cargo. My wife and I are bougie and have two base level black hatchbacks (a 2012 focus and a 2013 golf), so we want to trade one in and get a leaf and have one ICE car for when we need to go more than 150 miles in one go. Sounds like we are on the same page, dude.
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Sep 6, 2017 04:51
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stevobob posted:Here's a stupid question: Do you call under-the-hood of a FWD electric car the motor bay? It's a frunk, just live with the stupid name.
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Sep 6, 2017 04:54
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McStephenson posted:My wife and I are bougie and have two base level black hatchbacks (a 2012 focus and a 2013 golf), so we want to trade one in and get a leaf and have one ICE car for when we need to go more than 150 miles in one go. Same. Looking to replace one of our Two Cmax Energi's with a leaf for my wife to drive on her short commute to work, and she can borrow my Energi when she has to drive longer distances once every two weeks or so.
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Sep 6, 2017 04:57
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They add a temperature management system for the battery yet?
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Sep 6, 2017 04:58
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McStephenson posted:I like the new leaf and want to buy one You will lose ~50%, or $12-$13k year one. 50% of the remaining value in the next few years. The old leaf you could lease for 3 years, $2,400 down and $199 a month, that's $9,564 in 3 years, the new one will probably have a similar deal. There will probably be a lot more interesting and better electric cars in 2020 when that lease is up. Even over 5 years, $2,500 down, 60% interest, your finance payment will be twice what the lease payment should be, and you will still owe more on the car than it's worth until at least year 4.
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blugu64 posted:They add a temperature management system for the battery yet? Everything I saw points to it still being aircooled :/ That and the CHAdeMO charging system are the only things that worry me about getting one, but I live in SLC, so the fact that a lot of people have leafs up here means there are chargers and also I have a garage sooooo Powershift posted:You will lose ~50%, or $12-$13k year one. 50% of the remaining value in the next few years. The old leaf you could lease for 3 years, $2,400 down and $199 a month, that's $9,564 in 3 years, the new one will probably have a similar deal. There will probably be a lot more interesting and better electric cars in 2020 when that lease is up. Even over 5 years, $2,500 down, 60% interest, your finance payment will be twice what the lease payment should be, and you will still owe more on the car than it's worth until at least year 4. This is all very true, and I'm with you, but I am going into this knowing that I'll run this thing as long as possible and hopefully possibly even put a new battery in it down the line if that's a thing that even happens (and who knows if they'll do it given what Nissan has learned over the last 5 years) edit: not to just shamelessly fawn over the car, I am honestly in its market's price range, don't want to wait years for a 3 that I honestly shouldn't try to buy, and don't enjoy the looks of the Bolt. SapientCorvid fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Sep 6, 2017 |
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Sep 6, 2017 05:03
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IOwnCalculus posted:That's not bad at all. I could see eventually replacing the CR-V with the combination of a Leaf for commuting and a Suburban to haul cargo.
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Sep 6, 2017 05:28
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McStephenson posted:My wife and I are bougie and have two base level black hatchbacks (a 2012 focus and a 2013 golf), so we want to trade one in and get a leaf and have one ICE car for when we need to go more than 150 miles in one go. Similar situation here except we have two Mazda 3s, a 2016 which we’ll keep and a 2005 which I’d like to replace. The difference is I think we can get away with a cheap first gen Leaf because even assuming the battery is quite degraded we only have a 30km round trip commute to deal with. Only problem is that my partner thinks the first gen is too ugly to consider which I think is a bit silly (sure it’s ugly but who cares on a pure commuter car).
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Sep 6, 2017 05:41
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dissss posted:Similar situation here except we have two Mazda 3s, a 2016 which we’ll keep and a 2005 which I’d like to replace. Def go test drive one: my wife and i really enjoyed it and while the looks are take it or leave it, I've been surprised at how much I've grown to enjoy that doofy front end. I'm absolutely tempted to do a 2017 gen 1 SL for like 15k out the door edit: it doesn't hurt that I'm a sucker for hatchbacks
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Sep 6, 2017 05:53
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I didn't see anybody post it, but the new Leaf has adaptive cruise / semi-autonomous driving (lane following on the freeway). Nissan's version is called ProPILOT: http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/...kusaolp00000618
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Sep 6, 2017 06:38
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Robert Llewellyn said on Twitter the Leaf was getting a bigger battery next year. I wonder if they'll source it elsewhere. Interesting to note that the 40 kWh pack is the same size and shape (not weight I guess) as the original 24.
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Sep 6, 2017 13:13
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why is it so hard to like a wide range of electric cars and why does someone liking electric car X mean that electric car Y is poo poo clearly the best outcome is not a diverse range of good electric vehicles it's for my mfg du jour to WIN
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Sep 6, 2017 16:22
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I notice that the one facing away from us is the black-on-black color scheme so we can't tell that it still looks like one car pooping out a different car.
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Sep 6, 2017 16:28
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Powershift posted:It's still an engine bay. If you want to be technical, a motor is any device that converts energy into motion, while an engine specifically converts heat energy into motion. Steam engine, gas engine, hydraulic motor, electric motor.
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Sep 6, 2017 16:31
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:why is it so hard to like a wide range of electric cars and why does someone liking electric car X mean that electric car Y is poo poo Because MY SPORTS TEAM is THE BEST!
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Sep 6, 2017 16:33
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Sagebrush posted:I notice that the one facing away from us is the black-on-black color scheme so we can't tell that it still looks like one car pooping out a different car. What, and take away one of it's notorious design characteristics? 
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kimcicle posted:What, and take away one of it's notorious design characteristics? They learned nothing from the SLK-making GBS threads Ferrari California 
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Sep 6, 2017 16:58
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An engine can be anything in physics which converts energy to work, a motor would be a subset of that. There aren't any strict definitions of engine or motor, it's just habit. But then again, strict rules in language come from formalized habits. Anyway, here's a little vid on the Leaf. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9Megx8hBBo Looks good. Autopark seems slow but I bet they will crash less than Teslas. I wonder why it hasn't caught on more, I tried autopark on a VW Tiguan in 2008.
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IOwnCalculus posted:That's not bad at all. I could see eventually replacing the CR-V with the combination of a Leaf for commuting and a Suburban to haul cargo. I have a volt that we use for most of the getting around, my wife has a traverse for everything else. I almost wish I held out a little while longer for a bolt. It works out pretty well for cargo and trailering, although the hatch on the volt makes it a pretty capable hauler itself.
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Ola posted:Looks good. Autopark seems slow but I bet they will crash less than Teslas. I wonder why it hasn't caught on more, I tried autopark on a VW Tiguan in 2008.
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Doesn't it just offer to auto park if you put it in reverse near an eligible spot?
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I have a thing for this Renault EV for some reason (ok, maybe because I've been driving a Toyota Echo for 17 trouble free years, and the Zoe looks like it ). https://www.renault.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/zoe-250.html There's a car-share service in Indianapolis that uses them. Decent range, decent price. 
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Ola posted:Looks good. Autopark seems slow but I bet they will crash less than Teslas. I wonder why it hasn't caught on more, I tried autopark on a VW Tiguan in 2008. I think it's just a fact that there aren't enough customers who both a) need to parallel park regularly and b) haven't figured out how to do it on their own yet. So it's a cool novelty, but nobody is making their purchasing decision on it.
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So why does the new leaf apparently weight 600 lbs more than the larger battery Tesla 3? The leaf seems smaller to me in addition to having a smaller battery, but I've not seen either in person.
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bawfuls posted:So why does the new leaf apparently weight 600 lbs more than the larger battery Tesla 3? The leaf seems smaller to me in addition to having a smaller battery, but I've not seen either in person. Speedometers are heavy.
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Sep 6, 2017 22:52
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I’d guess the battery itself is heavier
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Is Tesla's battery technology really so much superior that they can provide something like 50% more capacity with noticeably less weight?? I find that pretty hard to believe given the current state of battery tech 75 kWh car weighs 3,800 lbs 40 kWh car weighs 4,400 lbs It's gotta be other poo poo in the car right?
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bawfuls posted:So why does the new leaf apparently weight 600 lbs more than the larger battery Tesla 3? The leaf seems smaller to me in addition to having a smaller battery, but I've not seen either in person. Where are you getting your specs? According to motor trend here http://www.motortrend.com/cars/nissan/leaf/2018/2018-nissan-leaf-first-drive-review/ Tesla says the model 3 is 3,550-3,800lbs nissan says the leaf is 3433-3508lbs
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That makes more sense. I read 4,400 for the leaf but that being wrong would explain it Edit: the Jalopnik piece linked on the last page said 4,400
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Sep 6, 2017 23:07
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Yeah, nissan has said the body is 100lbs lighter, but after a heavier battery and safety features, it's 33lbs heavier than the old leaf. the old leaf was 3390lbs. So it's 100-300lbs lighter than the model 3 also, don't read jalopnik
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I only buy EVs that are made from submarines
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The Sicilian posted:Sorry I thought there were laws and regulations about press junkets and disclosure when something is being done as an advertisement rather than a news story. Holy gently caress, do you want me to post a PDF of my expense report or something? We got the invite, just like electrek and everyone else. When they said "do you need us to arrange travel for you?" I said "why, no, thanks for the offer but we're paying for travel. I do need to know the hotel rate though, please." This is because on stuff like this the OEM block-books a bunch of rooms. It was $189/night for one night at the Marriott in the Ren Center, FWIW. We paid for my flight, but I did get a ride from the aiport. Stop the presses. So, you're welcome to apologize for calling me dishonest any time you like.
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