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$122 million just to get rekt in a completely pointless exercise.
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Sep 7, 2017 05:26
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Just saw the bad news on ABC. Yay, now we get to enjoy months of government approved hate speach before a meaningless loving survey on whether or not LGBT people should actually be treated as people.
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Sep 7, 2017 05:27
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the reasoning is 'the executive can do whatever it wants with its slush fund as parliament explicitly authorised the appropriation at the time'. ps: you're gonna be disappointed by the citizenship ruling too
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Sep 7, 2017 05:27
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Mad Katter posted:Well gently caress that's bad news. Actually it's not. The campaign's already happening. We've already seen all the toxic poo poo they're going to put out. Least we can get for it is marriage equality get legalised.
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Sep 7, 2017 05:29
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Also loving lol at the precedent this could set.
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Sep 7, 2017 05:29
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gently caress gently caress gently caress gently caress gently caress
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Sep 7, 2017 05:30
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Should I pay 20$ to see a Tom Tilley DJ set?
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Sep 7, 2017 05:30
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please do not get optimistic about the plebiscite succeeding
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Sep 7, 2017 05:31
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BBJoey posted:please do not get optimistic about the plebiscite succeeding Agreed.
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Sep 7, 2017 05:32
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Zenithe posted:$122 million just to get rekt in a completely pointless exercise. It hasn't been totally pointless, I mean we've given the bigots and homophobes some oxygen and probably boosted the suicide rate amount Australians by a good percentage!
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Sep 7, 2017 05:34
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BBJoey posted:please do not get optimistic
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Sep 7, 2017 05:34
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https://twitter.com/lyleshelton/status/905646499505201152
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Sep 7, 2017 05:35
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"maybe this time, something good will happen?" no. you buffoon. you absolute cretin. nothing good can possibly come of the black hole that is auspol.
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Sep 7, 2017 05:35
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it's all a big honeypot to see who we line up against the wall first
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Sep 7, 2017 05:35
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BBJoey posted:please do not get optimistic about the plebiscite succeeding The plebiscite will succeed and then be promptly ignored
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Sep 7, 2017 05:41
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I mean I know cynicism is the rage, but there's no loving way it doesn't come back yes. And it'll pass, because there's no way the entire LNP is going to vote against it.
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Sep 7, 2017 05:41
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Four years to the day since the 2013 election. Rip us. drunkill fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Sep 7, 2017 |
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Sep 7, 2017 05:42
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Zenithe posted:$122 million just to get rekt in a completely pointless exercise. Nothing is certain here. Polling shows support for SSM lower than support for the republic before that referendum in 1999. Support has also been dropping.
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Sep 7, 2017 05:45
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It's not cynicism I think they're just reading the room. People laughed and said there was no way at the suggestion Trump could win, Brexit wasn't expected to get up either, we're having poo poo luck with voluntary polls and conservative minority opinions.
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Sep 7, 2017 05:46
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:I mean I know cynicism is the rage, but there's no loving way it doesn't come back yes. quote:And it'll pass, because there's no way the entire LNP is going to vote against it.
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Sep 7, 2017 05:47
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drunkill posted:Four years to the day since the 2013 election. 4 years and a week since I gave a poo poo about politics and lurked this thread. And I'm still pissed NTATA cost me at least 3 jobs simply by being elected.
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Sep 7, 2017 05:52
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Synthbuttrange posted:Lol this is what will happen though
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Sep 7, 2017 05:53
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i'd love to be 100% confident the plebiscite will pass, but just think about how many australians there are who will think "hmm, i support gay marriage, but i'm not sure about this boys wearing dresses stuff". abbott, the acl, these people have spent literally their entire lives obstructing progress and they are very good at it. as was noted, these people have detailed movements with more support than same sex marriage. dehumanise yourself.
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Sep 7, 2017 05:54
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:I mean I know cynicism is the rage, but there's no loving way it doesn't come back yes. And it'll pass, because there's no way the entire LNP is going to vote against it. On their yet-to-be-announced bill, which will doubtless provide for a $200 bonus for any janitor not delighted at the prospect of cleaning a hall where a same sex marriage was held, to compensate them for pain and suffering or preserve their religious freedom or some poo poo. There's any amount of ways for this to be terrible regardless of what this hideously expensive survey monkey process comes back with.
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Sep 7, 2017 05:55
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John Howard coming in and asking for "clarification" around religious rights made me sigh heavily. Those guys are good at being terrible.
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Sep 7, 2017 05:56
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When I was younger I thought Australia was more or less free of the kind of mainstream religious conservatism you find in the US. I can't tell if it's increasing or it was always there and I just never noticed it before.
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Sep 7, 2017 06:00
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Amethyst posted:John Howard coming in and asking for "clarification" around religious rights made me sigh heavily. Those guys are good at being terrible. This is what will happen. They will attach a heap of "religious freedom" provisions to the bill, which will make it difficult for pro-SSM people to vote for.
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Sep 7, 2017 06:05
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G-Spot Run posted:It's not cynicism I think they're just reading the room. People laughed and said there was no way at the suggestion Trump could win, Brexit wasn't expected to get up either, we're having poo poo luck with voluntary polls and conservative minority opinions. It's at like 80% approval. 46% specifically said they strongly agreed in a 7 point scale, that same sex couples should have the equal rights in 2015. It's passing. Brown Paper Bag posted:This is what will happen. They will attach a heap of "religious freedom" provisions to the bill, which will make it difficult for pro-SSM people to vote for. Then you vote it down and introduce a not-poo poo-bill, because you still only need 4 LNP to cross the floor who are completely free to vote with their conscience. WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Sep 7, 2017 |
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Sep 7, 2017 06:08
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Sorry about your dumb wasteful government. I hope this all backfires hard on them and leads to a gay as hell Labor government.
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Sep 7, 2017 06:11
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:It's at like 80% approval. 46% specifically said they strongly agreed in a 7 point scale, that same sex couples should have the equal rights in 2015. It's passing. Nope. 
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Sep 7, 2017 06:13
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I have no idea how anyone can make a post like that in 2017.
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Sep 7, 2017 06:14
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Amethyst posted:Nope. jfc Australia. Not changing my mind though. It's passing.
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Sep 7, 2017 06:15
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open24hours posted:When I was younger I thought Australia was more or less free of the kind of mainstream religious conservatism you find in the US. I can't tell if it's increasing or it was always there and I just never noticed it before. I feel like it's increased since John Howard's tenure onwards. Then 9/11 really turbo charged the "this religion is wrong, our religion is right" rhetoric.
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Sep 7, 2017 06:19
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Amethyst posted:Nope. Heading in the right direction more recently. https://twitter.com/GhostWhoVotes/status/904966396970283008
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Sep 7, 2017 06:19
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I'm impressed that the current political climate has become so lovely it keeps making George Brandis look good.Guardian Au Live posted:Back in Canberra, the leader of the opposition in the Senate, Penny Wong, has picked up on a recent tweet from Lyle Shelton, the head of the Australian Christian Lobby, asserting the survey is all about freedom and sex education in schools.
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Sep 7, 2017 06:28
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:It's at like 80% approval. 46% specifically said they strongly agreed in a 7 point scale, that same sex couples should have the equal rights in 2015. It's passing. Closer to 10; iirc a bunch of Labor MPs have declared they will not vote for SSM and Labour's support for SSM is non-binding at this stage. open24hours posted:
The world is increasingly turning into an Us vs Them free for all.
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Sep 7, 2017 06:34
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open24hours posted:When I was younger I thought Australia was more or less free of the kind of mainstream religious conservatism you find in the US. I can't tell if it's increasing or it was always there and I just never noticed it before. BBJoey posted:i'd love to be 100% confident the plebiscite will pass, but just think about how many australians there are who will think "hmm, i support gay marriage, but i'm not sure about this boys wearing dresses stuff". abbott, the acl, these people have spent literally their entire lives obstructing progress and they are very good at it. as was noted, these people have detailed movements with more support than same sex marriage. dehumanise yourself. I agree this is the main obstacle to passing SSM. Your average opponent of SSM in Australia is probably not a religious conservative who believes in protecting the Christian definition of marriage, but a non religious right winger who believes gay marriage will lead to the leftist PC police arresting them for saying their baby is a boy or something like that. I guess you could argue that these people have been influenced to believe this by ACL religious conservatives, but someone like Bolt probably has more traction.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Also loving lol at the precedent this could set. Urgent and unforeseen is anything the government of the day says it is
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Well our laws didn't stop offshore torture camps or intentional refugee refoulment so I'm surprised anyone expected this to go differently.
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