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SadisTech
Jun 26, 2013

Clem.
Well, ordered a large rainbow flag for the house, and small ones for the wife's and my desks at work.

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Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.

SadisTech posted:

Well, ordered a large rainbow flag for the house, and small ones for the wife's and my desks at work.

Where do you buy a big gay flag, my house is visible from a motorway.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Zenithe posted:

Where do you buy a big gay flag, my house is visible from a motorway.

Nothing gayer than arts and crafts, make your own as good praxis.

SadisTech
Jun 26, 2013

Clem.

Zenithe posted:

Where do you buy a big gay flag, my house is visible from a motorway.

I just mail ordered from rainbowstore.com.au but there are lots of places to get them.

drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting
Fallen Rib
A reminder, put one of those small padlocks on your mailbox starting this weekend.

Lots of ballots for this opinion poll will be swiped.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Schlesische posted:

Closer to 10; iirc a bunch of Labor MPs have declared they will not vote for SSM and Labour's support for SSM is non-binding at this stage.
I believe in the Reps Vamvakinou, Hayes, Byrne, and Zappia are all publicly against SSM. Not sure about the Senators, but there's a similar number there.

Marriage Equality thinks the votes are there.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

MysticalMachineGun posted:

I feel like it's increased since John Howard's tenure onwards. Then 9/11 really turbo charged the "this religion is wrong, our religion is right" rhetoric.

Hillsong.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Also loving lol at the precedent this could set.

Not much of a precedent. The High Court has very rarely ruled in favour of limiting the executive's right to allocate funds to things.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

SadisTech posted:

Well, ordered a large rainbow flag for the house, and small ones for the wife's and my desks at work.

same, but with these

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Don Dongington posted:

It's almost like Australians should stop voting for reptiles that don't care about them,

But the wrong reptile might get in!

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
My 70 year old mum doesn't give a poo poo about gay marriage being law and by that metric I say lock it in.

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

doesn't give a poo poo is bad because doesn't give a poo poo means they won't vote.

the strong polling might actually be a detriment to marriage equality. a fair number of people will sit out on the basis of "it's definitely gonna pass so why should i bother figuring out how the postal system works". remember that australia has basically never had a voluntary vote for anything more important than "how high should the neighbourhood playgrounds hedges be?" - this is uncharted territory.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Cladding thought: Can we close all the windows on cladded buildings then just set the exterior on fire, eliminating costly and long removal works? Pay me for my ideas!

GoldStandardConure
Jun 11, 2010

I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow

Pillbug

Synthbuttrange posted:

Cladding thought: Can we close all the windows on cladded buildings then just set the exterior on fire, eliminating costly and long removal works? Pay me for my ideas!

go home andrew forrest, you're drunk

Goffer
Apr 4, 2007
"..."

Brown Paper Bag posted:

This is what will happen. They will attach a heap of "religious freedom" provisions to the bill, which will make it difficult for pro-SSM people to vote for.

Kinda curious as to how the terms of religious freedom will be written, and interpreted. Will it be attached to the Marriage Act, or written into the sex discrimination act? Probably a Division 4 exemption, but there's already heaps of them there, ie;

SECT 38 Educational institutions established for religious purposes
(1) Nothing in paragraph 14(1)(a) or (b) or 14(2)(c) (employment hiring and firing) renders it unlawful for a person to discriminate against another person on the ground of the other person's sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, marital or relationship status or pregnancy in connection with employment as a member of the staff of an educational institution that is conducted in accordance with the doctrines, tenets, beliefs or teachings of a particular religion or creed, if the first-mentioned person so discriminates in good faith in order to avoid injury to the religious susceptibilities of adherents of that religion or creed.

So it's not going to change heaps apart from some good and services provisioning that's going to be very specific, unless they use it as a wedge to introduce way more discriminatory practices against gays in general. Not just gay wedding cakes, but no more gay cakes at all, etc

Also OH gently caress THEY UPGRADED AUSTLII

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Has it even been properly discussed how the ABS will report the numbers?

Given that they are a statistics agency running a poll I have to imagine the idea of just jumping out raw numbers without context goes against most of their fundamental concepts of what a poll is, but I also can't imagine the conservatives would accept anything that compensates for lower turnout at lower age levels.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

BBJoey posted:

doesn't give a poo poo is bad because doesn't give a poo poo means they won't vote.

Doesn't give a poo poo means is not offended by in this case. She is a 70 year old Irish Catholic. That bodes well for vote in my mind.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

BBJoey posted:

doesn't give a poo poo is bad because doesn't give a poo poo means they won't vote.

the strong polling might actually be a detriment to marriage equality. a fair number of people will sit out on the basis of "it's definitely gonna pass so why should i bother figuring out how the postal system works". remember that australia has basically never had a voluntary vote for anything more important than "how high should the neighbourhood playgrounds hedges be?" - this is uncharted territory.

What's turnout like for council voting? Still compulsory, but done by mail.

Senor Tron posted:

Has it even been properly discussed how the ABS will report the numbers?

Given that they are a statistics agency running a poll I have to imagine the idea of just jumping out raw numbers without context goes against most of their fundamental concepts of what a poll is, but I also can't imagine the conservatives would accept anything that compensates for lower turnout at lower age levels.

lol. It's literally just going to be raw count. Can you imagine the uproar if they applied weighting? It's not a survey, it's a vote, and everyone knows it.

Goffer
Apr 4, 2007
"..."

Senor Tron posted:

Has it even been properly discussed how the ABS will report the numbers?

Given that they are a statistics agency running a poll I have to imagine the idea of just jumping out raw numbers without context goes against most of their fundamental concepts of what a poll is, but I also can't imagine the conservatives would accept anything that compensates for lower turnout at lower age levels.

from the senate committee hearing this morning:

https://twitter.com/lanesainty/status/905580010949427200

iajanus
Aug 17, 2004

NUMBER 1 QUEENSLAND SUPPORTER
MAROONS 2023 STATE OF ORIGIN CHAMPIONS FOR LIFE



You'd think the prime statistics agency could make it feasible but idk

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!
Just an FYI if you aren't doing what you can to push for a yes vote then you forfeit all right to bitch about it at this stage.

A metric fuckton of organizations are working on this, you can find one that you align with and volunterr with them.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

I'm working on hijacking deliveries of the papers.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
When is the vote thingie coming out?

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
Just make both camps (un)happy by banning marriage completely and retroactively annulling all marriages so nobody is married anymore :toot:

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

Synthbuttrange posted:

I'm working on hijacking deliveries of the papers.

I can't say I agree with a lot of Carjackers For Equality's platform, but I won't deny they bring a unique skillset to the table.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Even my dealer is supporting marriage equality, get on board with it guys.

Korgan
Feb 14, 2012


Vote for Marriage Equality or you're gay

racing identity
Apr 5, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

iajanus posted:

You'd think the prime statistics agency could make it feasible but idk

Not if they want it to be anonymous. If they were going to weight it they'd need to individualise letters to match the responses to demographics

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Also they are counting by electorates so individual MPs can have a fig leaf to vote no.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Also they are counting by electorates so individual MPs can have a fig leaf to vote no.

Gonna be fun when Warringah votes massively in favour of it.

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Also they are counting by electorates so individual MPs can have a fig leaf to vote no.

I really hope Abbott's electorate votes yes

I think i'll steal a bunch of my neighbours 'ballots' and vote yes for them

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

gay picnic defence posted:

I really hope Abbott's electorate votes yes

I think i'll steal a bunch of my neighbours 'ballots' and vote yes for them

I admire your faith that you think the "vote" (survey) tally will in any way not be massively fiddled with at the processing end, thus making any majority "yes" vote moot.

This is a 122m expenditure to justify an old fat IPA guy who probably engages in domestic violence anyway to send a paragraph he drafted 12 months ago so Turnbull can appease enough of his power base to keep clinging to power a bit longer.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
The confusing part being the IPA libertarianism would be for same sex marriage. Well not confusing we all know why.

norp
Jan 20, 2004

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

Lid posted:

The confusing part being the IPA libertarianism would be for same sex marriage. Well not confusing we all know why.

Libertarians are not known for having consistency in their political beliefs

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

norp posted:

Libertarians are not known for having consistency in their political beliefs

No you see they are consistent!

https://ipa.org.au/ipa-today/little-thought-consequences-gay-marriage-reduce-freedom

With Little Thought To Consequences, Gay Marriage Could Reduce Freedom

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Lid posted:

No you see they are consistent!

https://ipa.org.au/ipa-today/little-thought-consequences-gay-marriage-reduce-freedom

With Little Thought To Consequences, Gay Marriage Could Reduce Freedom

It reduces freedom to the people that matter to the IPA - WASPs

bandaid.friend
Apr 25, 2017

:obama:My first car was a stick:obama:
https://twitter.com/spookperson/status/904938003079905284
https://twitter.com/spookperson/status/904940118087049216

There's more, but I don't want to link fifty tweets at once. Click the dateline in a twitter post to see the full chain of replies

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Two of the ex-IPA guys in Parliament (Paterson and Wilson) support SSM I think.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

quote:

“Should the law be changed to allow same-sex couples to marry?”

Jesus christ, that's the question? gently caress I hope they just remove the bit about marriage being between a man and a woman and don't make specific reference to same-sex marriage in the bill.

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Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Jesus christ, that's the question? gently caress I hope they just remove the bit about marriage being between a man and a woman and don't make specific reference to same-sex marriage in the bill.

What did the previously proposed changes do?

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