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punk rebel ecks posted:Why do liberals and centrists always think that leftists are Super Liberals? Like when Trevor Noah called Antifa "Vegan Isis". When I think of a stereotypical vegan (whatever that is), I don't picture someone punching Nazis. Same thing when Bill Maher stated that all far leftists were staunchly against fat shaming. It is impossible for liberals to understand any world-view outside of their 1 dimensional bad/conservative/repbulican or good/neo-liberal/democrat dynamic and since "extremes" are bad, super-liberals/far-left are equally as bad as the far-right. deadgoon posted:it was a mistake to tell a generation of working-class white dudes that they should dedicate themselves to upholding liberalism in penance for being white rather than to become socialists Agreed.
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:reparations, but not much past that that i've seen this is fantastic and a brilliant dismemberment of the #Woke worldview
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deadgoon posted:it was a mistake to tell a generation of working-class white dudes that they should dedicate themselves to upholding liberalism in penance for being white rather than to become socialists learn to code the white away, fragile male
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Taintrunner posted:this is fantastic and a brilliant dismemberment of the #Woke worldview Coates sucks so much since he would rather harp about pie in the sky solutions than maybe acknowledge the need for better here and now solutions like more black organized labor.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lol I've got some bad news about who comes after trump 
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etalian posted:Coates sucks so much since he would rather harp about pie in the sky solutions than maybe acknowledge the need for better here and now solutions like more black organized labor. reparations for black startups. also young Sheldon is black now.
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:reparations, but not much past that that i've seen Thanks for the link that was great
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docbeard posted:You can argue technical terms all you want but to most of the United States, liberals and leftists are the same thing. if they're going to accuse you of being a commie nazi no matter what you do, you might as well Actually be a commie nazi
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Sep 7, 2017 20:14
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Taintrunner posted:learn to code the white away, fragile male what did he mean by this
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SKULL.GIF posted:if they're going to accuse you of being a commie nazi no matter what you do, you might as well Actually be a commie nazi Note: do not actually be any kind of nazi.
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SKULL.GIF posted:https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/905841601326538752 I think the most dangerous thing about this sort of rhetoric is that it creates a vulnerability in situations where the morally right thing might not also be the most efficient economically. Like, yeah, immigrants are good for the economy, but what if they weren't Kamala? Would that make you change your mind? Like, it just so happens that stuff like providing real universal healthcare actually saves the government money, but even if didn't it would still be the moral thing to do. It's really risky to frame things in this way.
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TNC might be an award-winning writer, but his politics are always muddled, namby-pamby nonsense. Didn't he disavow Bernie and then support him and then say "well I always supported but I'm just asking questions" and then said "I'm voting for him, but don't call me a supporter" ? I'm not going to take lessons from somebody with no loving compass.
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Sep 7, 2017 20:18
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Taintrunner posted:reparations for black startups. also young Sheldon is black now. It's also probably because things like reparations don't pose the same threat to bad dem special interests as higher minimum wage or more organized labor.
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Ytlaya posted:I think the most dangerous thing about this sort of rhetoric is that it creates a vulnerability in situations where the morally right thing might not also be the most efficient economically. Like, yeah, immigrants are good for the economy, but what if they weren't Kamala? Would that make you change your mind? Bad dems suck rear end since they thing for something to be moral, it must have positive cash floor $$$ for it to be a good idea. Don't get rid of Dreamers because they work for Bay Area tech companies!
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Ytlaya posted:I think the most dangerous thing about this sort of rhetoric is that it creates a vulnerability in situations where the morally right thing might not also be the most efficient economically. Like, yeah, immigrants are good for the economy, but what if they weren't Kamala? Would that make you change your mind? precisely
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Reparations are just a means-tested tax-rebate based on racial science. So pretty much the worse solution for any problem, no wonder bad-dems like them so much.
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Ytlaya posted:I think the most dangerous thing about this sort of rhetoric is that it creates a vulnerability in situations where the morally right thing might not also be the most efficient economically. Like, yeah, immigrants are good for the economy, but what if they weren't Kamala? Would that make you change your mind?
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Raskolnikov38 posted:that this faction will never go away is why i think hillary will run in 2020. she has an insane base that will never not support her regardless well ya even with the mocking and ridicule, they'll double down because they know who they're specifically catering to its still spite politics, republicans aren't the only ones who do it you brand a specific political thing, and make people identify with that brand. It's the easiest way to turn people into cult members nowadays. If Evangelicals can do it, why can't they just replicate what Evangelicals do, but only with different talking points, utilizing people's sense of justice and anger and redirecting it, easily weaponizing it against the opposition.
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Ytlaya posted:I think the most dangerous thing about this sort of rhetoric is that it creates a vulnerability in situations where the morally right thing might not also be the most efficient economically. Like, yeah, immigrants are good for the economy, but what if they weren't Kamala? Would that make you change your mind? Agreed. And soon we'll see Trump and co. say "Dems want to keep illegals to help the economy, but our plan is to give Americans those jobs." Dems will lose the economic edge and have nothing to fall back on.
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Et tu, Concerned Citizen???
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Sep 7, 2017 20:24
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Coates used "reparations" to include elimination of current racist structural inequalities like pay and interest rate discrimination and targeting of black people for lovely predatory loans. He wasn't advocating entirely nonthreatingly pie-in-the-sky solutions.
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Sep 7, 2017 20:25
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Coates idea of a utopia is a Howard graduate reunion party, and while that's a necessary facet of African-American reality, it should not be an end goal, a dream of exclusionary, technocratic existence.
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Frijolero posted:TNC might be an award-winning writer, but his politics are always muddled, namby-pamby nonsense. My biggest annoyance with him was honestly when he apparently acted surprised that people took his reparations/Sanders piece and started using it as an anti-Sanders talking point. Like what the gently caress did he think was gonna happen when he put the issue on the shoulders of one candidate.
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I forgot about Wu https://twitter.com/TransMafiosa/status/905734796004909056 I hope she wins, video from Congress would be hilarious
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Sep 7, 2017 20:29
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SKULL.GIF posted:I forgot about Wu if we pay cops six figures a year they will kill black people less I am a very successful videogame developer congresswoman
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hillary pile on continues, and it feels grrrreat! https://twitter.com/theonion/status/905870819468996608
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SKULL.GIF posted:I forgot about Wu I'm almost certain the cops in her area make a living wage. Police and fire budgets are almost always untouchable.
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Shear Modulus posted:Coates used "reparations" to include elimination of current racist structural inequalities like pay and interest rate discrimination and targeting of black people for lovely predatory loans. He wasn't advocating entirely nonthreatingly pie-in-the-sky solutions. That's ridiculous. I want all those things as well, but why would I use the term "reparations" unless I'm going for click-bait or something? Using "reparations" as an umbrella term for economic-justice is disingenuous.
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SKULL.GIF posted:if they're going to accuse you of being a commie nazi no matter what you do, you might as well Actually be a commie nazi Yeah, not the nazi thing obviously, but actually having some principles that we stand for without worrying about what the mean ol' Republicans are gonna call us is a necessary first step.
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Frijolero posted:TNC might be an award-winning writer, but his politics are always muddled, namby-pamby nonsense. lol you dumbass he's well to sanders' left Probably Magic posted:Coates idea of a utopia is a Howard graduate reunion party, and while that's a necessary facet of African-American reality, it should not be an end goal, a dream of exclusionary, technocratic existence. you also dumbass
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i just want to make it very clear that is was all my fault and i take full responsibility... *spends the next 300 pages pointing fingers*
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:That's ridiculous. I want all those things as well, but why would I use the term "reparations" unless I'm going for click-bait or something? Using "reparations" as an umbrella term for economic-justice is disingenuous. because he's talking about specifically focusing on cutting black people checks
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Shear Modulus posted:what're wu's chances the same as rotted head frozen pizza boy
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SKULL.GIF posted:I forgot about Wu No thanks there are already enough lovely people in congress, we don't need another authority worshipping clueless moron.
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TNC's moral universe is centered on a historical upbringing under loving black nationalism you loving morons
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