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ate poo poo on live tv posted:That's ridiculous. I want all those things as well, but why would I use the term "reparations" unless I'm going for click-bait or something? Using "reparations" as an umbrella term for economic-justice is disingenuous. he said it to emphasize that racial economic injustice didn't stop with abolition
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:TNC's moral universe is centered on a historical upbringing under loving black nationalism you loving morons Nice meltdown
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she knows her past is gonna haunt her if she doesnt take care of it now. i assume. if she does that, she's at least very politically savvy.
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Oh Snapple! posted:Nice meltdown "TNC is a liberal" is the dumbest loving take I swear to god
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:hillary pile on continues, and it feels grrrreat! remember the week long "The Onion is in $hillary's Pocket!" rage?
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Ytlaya posted:I think the most dangerous thing about this sort of rhetoric is that it creates a vulnerability in situations where the morally right thing might not also be the most efficient economically. Like, yeah, immigrants are good for the economy, but what if they weren't Kamala? Would that make you change your mind? I can kind of see where this line of thought comes from (and it's not, surprisingly enough, slavish fanatical service to the Demon Capital). She's not intending to dismiss the moral dimension as unimportant, she's assuming that it's self-evident and need not be stated, and offering up the economic argument in addition to it. The problem with this approach is that we don't live in a world where the moral dimension can be assumed to be self-evident. It's worth pointing out that, say, drug-testing welfare recipients costs way more than would be saved by denying benefits to active drug users, but only as an appendix to the much louder gently caress OFF WE ARE NOT DOING THIS UNCONSCIONABLE THING, END OF that should be our opening statement every single drat time.
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this is all sour grapes that Coates' criticisms of Sanders were somehow unconscionable when he was running against Clinton while maintaining that criticisms of Clinton while she was running against Trump was just holding politicians accountable
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Sep 7, 2017 20:38
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how does this man survive on the internet
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Democrats still think that politics are amoral.
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Frijolero posted:Democrats still think that politics are amoral. They're just 2 letters off. Immoral.
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imho cops should be federalized and paid like 500k a year and need graduate degrees and be fired for very minor offenses like showing up late to work even once
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Calibanibal posted:imho cops should be federalized and paid like 500k a year and need graduate degrees and be fired for very minor offenses like showing up late to work even once same except executed
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well execute the ones we have now obviously
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Including Trivial offenses like being late as a minor offense is a bit offensive. Also so is centrally federalizing an authoritative force. Replace Cops with CATs, Community Action Teams.
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ThndrShk2k posted:Including Trivial offenses like being late as a minor offense is a bit offensive. Or with actual cats. That would be fine.
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Sep 7, 2017 20:48
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replace cops with antifa
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deadgoon posted:replace cops with antifa replace cops with tow trucks
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docbeard posted:Or with actual cats. That would be fine.
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Hot take incoming: Cops who make less than 50k a year should be paid more, as should everyone else. This is not mutually exclusive with wanting a wholesale criminal justice reform along with policing reform, more internal affairs, and more accountability in general.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:this is all sour grapes that Coates' criticisms of Sanders were somehow unconscionable when he was running against Clinton while maintaining that criticisms of Clinton while she was running against Trump was just holding politicians accountable Actually, they're both unconscionable.
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WJ is just mad because he's finding out that TNC is actually boring as gently caress
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TNC is fine. But his celebrity means whatever he says gets dissected into many pieces. I totally get why he'd withdraw from blogging and being "on" every day to focus instead on comics, books and feature articles.
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WhiskeyJuvenile feels a lot of kinship with Coates because they're both ostensibly leftists but do absolutely nothing to advance leftist causes.
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my only complaint with TNC is that he has a meandering style to his writing whereas i prefer a more direct approach
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Al! posted:replace cops with tow trucks antifa NEVER helped me when i had car trouble
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:I totally get why he'd withdraw from blogging and being "on" every day to focus instead on comics, books and feature articles. Mind you, if he was trying to get away from people obsessing over the most asinine esoteric points about the stuff he writes, comics was really not the right direction to move in.
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deadgoon posted:antifa NEVER helped me when i had car trouble Gotta keep your antifAAA membership up to date, man.
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https://twitter.com/meaganmday/status/905885025597616129
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docbeard posted:I can kind of see where this line of thought comes from (and it's not, surprisingly enough, slavish fanatical service to the Demon Capital). She's not intending to dismiss the moral dimension as unimportant, she's assuming that it's self-evident and need not be stated, and offering up the economic argument in addition to it. you're giving them too much credit that line of thought is based on the assumption that the moral dimension doesn't work and isn't as good at convincing people as the economic dimension. it's built on the fundamental assumption that if liberals say "racism is bad" and conservatives say "racism is profitable", the liberals will lose and there'll be racism for everyone. it takes for granted that the conservative messaging is inherently superior, and seeks to subvert and co-opt it rather than developing their own
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TNC is important because he puts a helluva lot of research into stuff and makes really good cases for affirmative actions and a lot of other poo poo, but I feel he stumbles on some of his prescriptions on the basis of him that racism is a Cosmic Law of the Universe as opposed to a tool of practicality. It's probably overly romantic of me to think you can argue the racism out of people (and to be fair, I think it can only be done with some, over a long period of time), but I'm not sure that automatically assuming the white man is a Fallen Creature Who Will Never Get It leads to anywhere... helpful. It may or may not be true, it's just... where do you go from there if you assume that's automatically the case? You kill the idea of a coalition from the start.
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deadgoon posted:antifa NEVER helped me when i had car trouble thats the dsa's job duh
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lol that tnc used bernie referencing hillary's deplorable speech instead of the speech itself
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one of the best things Bernie did during the campaign was listen to Black Lives Matter and adjust his message accordingly instead of just assuming he's right and banning dissenting opinions from everywhere.
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Lessail posted:lol that tnc used bernie referencing hillary's deplorable speech instead of the speech itself oh man the deplorables backlash was pure Clinton - she straight COULD NOT directly apologize because she's incapable of swallowing her pride when she thinks she's right (she was in this case as almost every poll shows)
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Al! posted:thats the dsa's job duh you got a short in your tail light, started blinking when you made that last turn
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zegermans posted:one of the best things Bernie did during the campaign was listen to Black Lives Matter and adjust his message accordingly instead of just assuming he's right and banning dissenting opinions from everywhere. Agreed, and he did a somewhat similar thing to Vermont people raking him over the coals for supporting Israel back during the real bad West Bank bullshit by adding more poo poo defending Palestine in his speeches. As old of a man as Bernie is, he manages to be less stubborn than a lot of much younger politicians.
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zegermans posted:oh man the deplorables backlash was pure Clinton - she straight COULD NOT directly apologize because she's incapable of swallowing her pride when she thinks she's right (she was in this case as almost every poll shows) it's bad when bernie says all trump supporters aren't irredeemable trash, but when hillary does slay queen
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Frijolero posted:Hot take incoming: I've never heard of a cop making less than $70k base
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