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Skarsnik posted:I'd be amazed if I'm alone in that thinking, or even in the minority Yes, I agree.
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Syrinxx posted:You're also not alone because many of us realize how these assistants and IoT devices are inherently flawed and it's a stupid idea to use them from a security perspective Literally everything is vulnerable to the right attack in the right situation. Saying something is vulnerable means zilch. There's nothing stupid at all about using voice assistants. Thermopyle fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Sep 8, 2017 |
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Can any goons who did the 6P warranty exchange tell me the process exactly? Did they put a hold on your card? Did they require you to send in the 6P? They sent the replacements to your original shipping address, or was that flexible?
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Thermopyle posted:Literally everything is vulnerable to the right attack in the right situation. Saying something is vulnerable means zilch. There's nothing stupid at all about using voice assistants. So statistically it makes sense to surround yourself with as few vulnerabilities as possible. Do you need an internet connected fridge, thermostat, garage opener, security cameras, door locks, electricity meter reader? You really, probably, don't, no matter how cool they are. But every item you add provides another method of data (or even physical) intrusion. Its a little short sighted to say there is nothing stupid about using voice assistants.
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Sep 8, 2017 05:15
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Rickets posted:So statistically it makes sense to surround yourself with as few vulnerabilities as possible. Do you need an internet connected fridge, thermostat, garage opener, security cameras, door locks, electricity meter reader? You really, probably, don't, no matter how cool they are. But every item you add provides another method of data (or even physical) intrusion. Golly I sure hope HACKERS don't turn my thermostat down to 60° or leave the light on in the cat room!
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Sep 8, 2017 05:48
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LastInLine posted:Golly I sure hope HACKERS don't turn my thermostat down to 60° or leave the light on in the cat room! Wait until they hax your oven and  you irl. I'm jealous already
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Sep 8, 2017 05:50
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I think voic assistants are a bit gimmicky and use Alexa as a kitchen timer and a light switch. It's a perfectly useful thing, if not superfluous. My main issue with talking to my phone in public is the same one I have with taking phonecalls in public - it's rude, and maybe a touch narcissistic. It's a matter of personal preference, and most of the stuff showcased in that conference clip is applicable to bog standard Google searches too, it's neat stuff as far as just search logic and parsing goes.
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LastInLine posted:Golly I sure hope HACKERS don't turn my thermostat down to 60° or leave the light on in the cat room! No, but of your thermostat is 'smart' enough to have microphone, there are real concerns.
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Sep 8, 2017 05:59
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incogneato posted:The primary thing that stops me from using voice/assistant in public is the assistant's voice loudly responding in its awkward robotic way. I don't mind whispering into my phone while waiting in line or at a restaurant, but I'd rather not make everyone else turn and look as assistant replies "YOUR FLIGHT TOMORROW TO CHICAGO DEPARTS AT 7:45 AM" or whatever. Moto had a real good implementation of a compromise for this in allowing you to "call" google now, with the trigger being holding the phone up to your ear. It would then respond in the earpiece instead of over speaker.
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logikv9 posted:Can any goons who did the 6P warranty exchange tell me the process exactly? Did they put a hold on your card? Did they require you to send in the 6P? They sent the replacements to your original shipping address, or was that flexible? You are sent a link to pretty much "buy" the replacement device. I am not sure about changing physical address but I am sure they would work with you there. From there, there is a purchase "hold" put on your CC for the full amount of the replacement device until they receive the returned device. If you do everything within the time frame no actual charge will happen to your CC.
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gently caress. I thought I'd be lucky and avoid the Nexus 5X bootloop issues, but mine just died. After refusing to go further than the Google logo a couple of times, it wouldn't power on at all. The phone was bought in late November 2015. Having contacted my carrier's webshop service center, it was handed in at their mall storefront and will likely be replaced under warranty - barring software modifications or damage. Fortunately it's stock Nougat. Unfortunately, two of the corners are chipped from fall damage. I hope they're not dicks about that. Back to my Nexus 5 with a pressure damaged screen for a while... They gave me a loaner, but it's a Nokia Lumia Windows phone, so nope on that. Nice camera though.
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Quick question. Just got my first smartphone that I would consider spending money for insurance on. Have a moto g5+ on an AT&T's pay/month Go Phone program. ATTs offers don't look good and i'm probably not even eligible. Is this legit? https://www.amazon.com/SquareTrade-...phone+insurance e* Any other places to get phone inusurance besides the provider and amazon? Completely new to this. odinson fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Sep 8, 2017 |
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Sep 8, 2017 08:03
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Currently fighting the man to get my G5+ returned. The vendor took it in twice for service, twice they checked regular bluetooth instead of bluetooth LE and returned saying no fault found. To add insult to injury (or vice versa I suppose), they didn't include the charger when sending it back the last time. Digging in for total consumer warfare. Once they take it back, I'll wait for the Sony XZ1 Compact. This was my first non-Sony smartphone, ever, and it looks like my infidelity will be short and deservedly punishing. Original problem: Phone can't read data from Bluetooth Smart gadgets. If any of you G5+ owners use BLE/Smart gadgets, please let me know. I've seen others have problems with other phones, including the G4, but not the G5+ specifically.
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odinson posted:Quick question. Just got my first smartphone that I would consider spending money for insurance on. Don't pay $55 to insure a $230 phone. It doesn't even cover accidental damage!
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Sep 8, 2017 09:09
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MikeJF posted:No, but of your thermostat is 'smart' enough to have microphone, there are real concerns. Who knows, maybe someone figures out to redirect voice controlled assistants to literal URLs/addresses via ultrasonic audio, and manages to deliver and install some rootkit payload via a secondary exploit. What then?
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A smart fridge pitch has been that it can order food you regularly use, meaning it contains stealable payment details. Or it can be recruited for electronic warfare, provoking the poo poo out of paranoid superpowers from your public IP address.
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Sep 8, 2017 12:47
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Rickets posted:So statistically it makes sense to surround yourself with as few vulnerabilities as possible. Do you need an internet connected fridge, thermostat, garage opener, security cameras, door locks, electricity meter reader? You really, probably, don't, no matter how cool they are. But every item you add provides another method of data (or even physical) intrusion. Yes, you're right none of it is required to be alive. Great and insightful point.
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Lovely style of discussion that's going on.
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The digital security argument seems to be coming up in this thread with increasing frequency. Should we add it to the bingo chart of dumb reoccurring topics?
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I just don't want to live in the Y2K treehouse of terror story. 
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Gonna break up this oh so fun conversation to remind everyone again how much of a battery beast the Moto Z Play (2016) is. Again, wifi only because I don't have a SIM in it, however... 3 days since last charge with 4 hours 40 minutes of SOT, 29% battery left.
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bull3964 posted:Gonna break up this oh so fun conversation to remind everyone again how much of a battery beast the Moto Z Play (2016) is. 
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Lol if you have fi and oreoquote:the latest version of Android, version 8.0 aka Oreo, contains an unfortunate bug that causes phones to burn through their monthly mobile data allowances.
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On the one hand I'm all like "lol google", on the other hand, with how complex software and hardware is I'm always surprised there isn't even more of that kind of stuff.
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couldcareless posted:The digital security argument seems to be coming up in this thread with increasing frequency. Should we add it to the bingo chart of dumb reoccurring topics? I don't think digital security is a dumb topic, but gently caress if my entire approach at this point isn't just to throw up my hands and give up.
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Blue Train posted:Lol if you have fi and oreo AND a marginal Wifi signal. The whole point of the feature is to help avoid that pulling out of the drive way / walking out of the store problem where your phone is still on WiFi but it can't reach the signal.
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Flipperwaldt posted:Mobile standby is the main battery eater after screen on time afaik. Cell radios in a phone are still active even without a SIM, that's why they can still call 911.
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bull3964 posted:Gonna break up this oh so fun conversation to remind everyone again how much of a battery beast the Moto Z Play (2016) is. So if you don't use your phone it lasts awhile? #whoa #wow
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Endless Mike posted:So if you don't use your phone it lasts awhile? #whoa #wow 4 hours of SoT not using a phone? Yeah, it's over a few days, but that amount of SoT would leave many flagships near dead in a single day, let alone while idling over 3 days. Most users have reported 10-12 hours of SoT using the thing in a single day before they get the battery warning.
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I think their point was that 1.5 hours a day of use is well below what most people would consider the norm. I still think it's pretty nice and I wish more phones had the gall to pack a bigger battery. I miss my original Droid Turbo.
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bull3964 posted:4 hours of SoT not using a phone? Yeah, it's over a few days, but that amount of SoT would leave many flagships near dead in a single day, let alone while idling over 3 days. 4 hours of SoT over the course of 3 days really isn't a lot of use at all. It's still good battery life, don't get me wrong.
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Edit: you know what, nevermind.
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Had the bluetooth woes on my Pixel under 7.1.2. Skipping frequently with bluetooth audio playback to a Smartbean. A restart fixed it for like... a couple hours, tops. Fast forward to Oreo and trying out BT for the first time this morning. Default codec, skipping galore right from the start. Changed it to aptX HD codec in developer settings, greatly reduced the skipping though it still happens about once every couple minutes. Before changing the codec, there was a skip probably every 3-4 seconds. Like, unbelievable how unusable it was. I'll be trying regular aptX on my way home to see if there's much difference. Also changed AVCRP to v1.6 Good thing this whole wireless audio streaming thing is so bulletproof [on Google's phones], now that headphone jacks are going away.  vv this is what I meant, sorry. sirbeefalot fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Sep 8, 2017 |
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Bluetooth works fine it's Google that can't get it right
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sirbeefalot posted:Had the bluetooth woes on my Pixel under 7.1.2. Skipping frequently with bluetooth audio playback to a Smartbean. A restart fixed it for like... a couple hours, tops. Remember when google made a big deal about how they re-did the bluetooth stack for 8.0 and how much better it was? lol
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I don't think most phones could idle for that long with that much SoT. Also, I finally got the new feed. gently caress this poo poo. Everyone who doesn't like it, be sure to submit feedback via the menu button. Thermopyle fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Sep 8, 2017 |
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Moto G5+ Battery Report: Screen on time: 6h30m26s, 980mAh used, 32% of total power consumption. Brightness set to 60% with adaptive display on. Cell Standby: 13% (no figure for mAH used) Mixed LTE and Wifi connection, 3-4 bars at all times. Plugged into charger @ 19% charge remaining. Coming from devices that tap out at 3h screen on time, I am very impressed. Could have pushed it to 7h+ easily. Edit:  Proof.
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Thermopyle posted:I don't think most phones could idle for that long with that much SoT. Curious, am I going to see it at the same pace with the Nova Companion app? I haven't actually read about how that works.
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