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Brexit is just going to make it easier for the socialists and the protectionists to take over.
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doverhog posted:The country... Sounds like socialism to me. If I meant it that way I would have said serve the people.
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capitalism is the true way, sorry for the unpopular fact
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If communism is inevitable we should just wait for it to happen on its own.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:If I meant it that way I would have said serve the people. Honest question, what is the difference?
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spit on my clit posted:capitalism is the true way, sorry for the unpopular fact Money ruins everything
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We Know Catheters posted:Money ruins everything money's better than no money
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Grandmother of Five posted:This is possibly slightly off-topic, but this thread has gone on for long enough that I figured it'd be interesting to hear, if anyone has happened to change any of their previously posted opinions. I've changed my mind about flu shots being worthwhile. Tbh, I just never really considered the importance of preventing the passing on of contagion to people with compromised immune-systems. are you still eating raw potatos? I'll edit this post in a second after I can see any old PHUO I posted e: Still cannot hack looking at someone eating soup Still don't think a great result validates a lovely decision Still no interest in seeing Ghostbusters or Caddyshack EmmyOk has a new favorite as of 21:55 on Sep 8, 2017 |
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doverhog posted:Honest question, what is the difference? The people in general don't have the best interests of the country in mind, only their own. I think serving the country (i.e. the leadership) is more important than helping people pursue more selfish goals.
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The priority is the individual people and the freedom of the individual people. I suppose that in theory a socialist society could maximise individual freedom by reducing the responsibilities people incur (e.g. via provision of free-at-point-of-access healthcare financed by tax receipts, to liberate individuals from the burdens of pecuniary insurance premiums) but you seldom see it advocated in those terms. Likewise, I imagine that the British Labour Party would be making even greater strides today if they emphasised that their position on the EU - retaining membership of the single market even after Brexit - is the most genuinely business-friendly position offered by a major party, but I don't think you're likely to see that. (Of course, I also think that Jeremy Corbyn could get bumped on the head and start advocating going back to war in Iraq and his fan club would still be singing his praises.) Wheat Loaf has a new favorite as of 22:01 on Sep 8, 2017 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:Likewise, the British Labour Party would be making even greater strides today if they emphasised that their position on the EU - retaining membership of the single market even after Brexit - is the most genuinely business-friendly position offered by a major party, but I don't think you're likely to see that. Most Labour party MPs supported Brexit. Would be a bit hypocritical, no?
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Jastiger posted:So youll give him advice and not me. Reported for racism I'm stunned, but you're right. I was totally motivated by race. I don't deserve to talk about eating rear end anymore.
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sassassin posted:Most Labour party MPs supported Brexit. Would be a bit hypocritical, no? Just about every MP "supports" Brexit in the sense that they won't stop us from leaving, because that would contradict the referendum result. Most Labour Party MPs (excepting the old school Bennite socialists such as Dennis Skinner, some from the right of the party such as Kate Hoey and Gisela Sturt, and some comparative opportunists such as John Mann) supported staying in; now that the referendum has returned a "Leave" vote, they are committed to putting that through because it reflects the democratic will of the majority. However, they do not support leaving on the same terms as the Conservatives. Wheat Loaf has a new favorite as of 22:16 on Sep 8, 2017 |
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Hell, I'll advice Jastiger about rear end eating while I'm at it: pick your spots, but if you do decide to do it, commit. Backing down because there was some flavor will really spoil the mood.
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A lot of people think capitalism is the way but literally none of them have any proof thereof.
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doverhog posted:Hell, I'll advice Jastiger about rear end eating while I'm at it: pick your spots, but if you do decide to do it, commit. Backing down because there was some flavor will really spoil the mood. As the resident guy who has a name related to eating rear end, I disagree. If you want/expect some rear end eating, it's on you to prepare properly. Some aspects of eating the rear end can't be overlooked, mood be damned. If there are a bunch of dingleberries or it's just generally lovely there, it's time to claim that actually your mouth is too sore because you went to the dentist the other day or something.
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doverhog posted:Hell, I'll advice Jastiger about rear end eating while I'm at it: pick your spots, but if you do decide to do it, commit. Backing down because there was some flavor will really spoil the mood. This has wisdom beyond rear end-eating. But definitely for rear end-eating, too. edit: drat, woops. Baby wipes are the answer. They may not be around for when you want to spontaneously eat some rear end, but in a regular setting, having one around is useful for a lot of sex related things. Of course I only have sex with my intimate life partner, so I'm not offended when she wipes away liberally. Caufman has a new favorite as of 22:29 on Sep 8, 2017 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:Just about every MP "supports" Brexit in the sense that they won't stop us from leaving, because that would contradict the referendum result. Most Labour Party MPs (excepting the old school Bennite socialists such as Dennis Skinner, some from the right of the party such as Kate Hoey and Gisela Sturt, and some comparative opportunists such as John Mann) supported staying in; now that the referendum has returned a "Leave" vote, they are committed to putting that through because it reflects the democratic will of the majority. However, they do not support leaving on the same terms as the Conservatives. Wasn't Corbyn himself waving the flag for the Leave campaign? They certainly weren't the Remain party before the referendum.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:As the resident guy who has a name related to eating rear end, I disagree. If you want/expect some rear end eating, it's on you to prepare properly. Some aspects of eating the rear end can't be overlooked, mood be damned. If there are a bunch of dingleberries or it's just generally lovely there, it's time to claim that actually your mouth is too sore because you went to the dentist the other day or something. All that is included in pick your spots. *dingle-berries or whatever are an obvious no go, I fear you do not live up to your given name sir* doverhog has a new favorite as of 22:36 on Sep 8, 2017 |
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sassassin posted:Wasn't Corbyn himself waving the flag for the Leave campaign? They certainly weren't the Remain party before the referendum. Not really. I think it's quite clear that he was never particularly invested in staying in (he'd been one of the aforementioned Bennite Eurosceptics for his entire political career until he became leader) and he was fairly quiet throughout the campaign but he was never out "waving the flag" for Leave.
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Jerry Cotton posted:A lot of people think capitalism is the way but literally none of them have any proof thereof. everywhere thats tried communism has failed, socialism causes places like Venezuela where bitcoin mining is a viable job and preferable to getting a hard-working job because the economy is in shambles and the government provides free electricity for its residents, but that can't keep going on for long. not saying that the other ways that have failed or are in the process of failing is proof of capitalism being the Way, but its at least preferable to the currently known alternatives.
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spit on my clit posted:everywhere thats tried communism has failed, socialism causes places like Venezuela where bitcoin mining is a viable job and preferable to getting a hard-working job because the economy is in shambles and the government provides free electricity for its residents, but that can't keep going on for long. not saying that the other ways that have failed or are in the process of failing is proof of capitalism being the Way, but its at least preferable to the currently known alternatives. Venezuela isn't socialist 👍
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spit on my clit posted:everywhere thats tried communism has failed, socialism causes places like Venezuela where bitcoin mining is a viable job and preferable to getting a hard-working job because the economy is in shambles and the government provides free electricity for its residents, but that can't keep going on for long. not saying that the other ways that have failed or are in the process of failing is proof of capitalism being the Way, but its at least preferable to the currently known alternatives. Communism can't work. Venezuela is extreme capitalism (much like all other so-called "socialist" societies). Also, I'm very durn-.
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We Know Catheters posted:Venezuela isn't socialist 👍 guess all the recent articles you can find from googling "venezuela socialism" about how it's a disaster are wrong then
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spit on my clit posted:guess all the recent articles you can find from googling "venezuela socialism" about how it's a disaster are wrong then Literally: yes.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Literally: yes. alright, why're they wrong
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spit on my clit posted:guess all the recent articles you can find from googling "venezuela socialism" about how it's a disaster are wrong then Because those people don't understand what they are talking about https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/06/whats-the-matter-with-venezuela-its-not-socialism.html https://socialistworker.org/2017/06/07/did-socialism-fail-in-venezuela
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We Know Catheters posted:Because those people don't understand what they are talking about venezuela is socialist by definition of "that is what they call themselves," but they're more like a dictatorship. What a surprise that yet another socialist state turned into a dictatorship, its only happened every time. oh poo poo, still not the unpopular facts thread, sorry
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spit on my clit posted:that yet another socialist state turned into a dictatorship, its only happened every time. Can't really argue with that. It's almost as if... words can lie?!?!? e: What I'm saying is all so-called socialist states have been either dictatorships or oligarchies.
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Again, money ruins everything
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We Know Catheters posted:Again, money ruins everything I can't remember where "necessary evil" is from but money is it.
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Known bastion of democracy the Democratic Peoples Republic of North Korea. It's right in the name, guys 
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EmmyOk posted:Known bastion of democracy the Democratic Peoples Republic of North Korea. It's right in the name, guys The Democratic Party.
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We Know Catheters posted:https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/06/whats-the-matter-with-venezuela-its-not-socialism.html This first article rubs me the wrong way. The idea seems to be "Well, many bad things happen under capitalism, and we don't attack capitalism as a concept for it, so we shouldn't attack socialism for the bad things that happen in its name." Except, we do critique and attack capitalism for these issues. People are doing it on these forums, on twitter, in the government, every day critiquing capitalism for its failures and the problems it causes. I don't know what this author is even talking about.
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Spinning Robo posted:This first article rubs me the wrong way. The idea seems to be "Well, many bad things happen under capitalism, and we don't attack capitalism as a concept for it, so we shouldn't attack socialism for the bad things that happen in its name." No one takes critiques of capitalism as seriously as they do critiques of communism in the USA except for a few thousand twenty-somethings on Facebook. Also re: "communism has failed everywhere it was tried" did everybody forget china exists or what? You know, the world's second largest economic power?
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What in the gently caress are you talking about? Maoist China was an absolute disaster that threatened to starve out the entire country, and the moment that things got better was when Deng Xiaoping stepped away from a purely state-run economy. The reason they're doing so well (and the reason they've stopped giving a moral poo poo about pollution/ethical treatment of workers) is because of that change. e: as a source, https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2005-08-21/online-extra-china-is-a-private-sector-economy in 2005, 70% of china's gdp was from the private sector Spinning Robo has a new favorite as of 01:37 on Sep 9, 2017 |
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It's still a single party state that maintains tight control over most industries (not by directly state owning them, but by having party members in high positions) and the flow of ideas (by restricting access to the global internet among other things). So I guess it's a hybrid between the worst parts of both. But it survives.
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I mean I guess i'll put forward that it's sounding like venezuela is as socialist as china is communist, just with a dash more corruption from venezuela (somehow).
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Henchman of Santa posted:Dictatorships can and have happened in every kind of system Not the cardiovascular system.
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